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BornRebelRed said:
I’m pretty sure UNLV has a secret handshake agreement to join the Big 12 at their next real realignment. Play a normal Mountain West schedule for the next two years, then use the extra money to pay coaches, players and any expenses to join. The Pac 12 is not our friend. Remember, Arizona and Arizona State are in the Big 12. It’s where we want to be. The new Pac 12 will not be signing any gigantic media contract. It’s just not gonna happen. Take a deep breath and relax. It will all play out in UNLV”s favor in the end. Ps. Sluka quitting will ignite the Rebs as the new QB is more than capable and more in tune with the other players.
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Then it would be the right move.
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Rosegreen1
LVRebel2000 said:
Has it been stated yet whether or not the 7 remaining MWC schools have signed this? It stated that the agreement only stands if all of the remaining schools sign off on it, which is/was expected to happen today.

Honestly, I'd be kind of shocked if all of the schools sign off on UNLV/AF getting a much bigger chunk of money than they will get.

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They don’t really have a choice, they would have to invite a plethora of schools and that’s not ideal.

Best option is to get an anchor and grow from there with Texas schools.
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Rosegreen1 said:
The parameters of a merger were clear with the PAC, they didn’t follow those parameters and there’s a penalty for that. Now they don’t want to pay those penalties. Their funds have probably dried up and can’t afford any AAC schools.

Now the PAC is considering UTEP according to reports. Going from AFA, UNLV, Tulane, Memphis, USF to…. UTEP. What a disaster at the PAC offices, and they don’t even have a secured tv rights deal, only burning cash to pay for member schools exit fees.

Who wants to merge with a bunch of morons that thought they were too good for this conference and ended up in the same spot? It’s hilarious.
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Agree. But a merger now could stop the bleeding on both sides. Both sides are losing by a conference split.

Lawyers of course do not want a merge as they will get rich off this peeing match.
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oneepstein
oneepstein said:
Asked the same in the other thread. If you take the MW schools off the table anybody left would be a pretty good black eye for the PAC in all of this.

The MW can pretty much take whoever they want, it’s all gonna suck balls anyway.

Names floated:

UCONN football only… maybe but they’re also in the AAC and I’d have to imagine at least some of the issues on why the others declined exist. It also doesn’t make any sense from the perspective that you’re already in a competitive conference with closer teams.

Gonzaga basketball only if you get another football school, so…

Hawaii football only… only mentioned because of the Gonzaga thing, but no.

Frankly anyone else I’ve seen mentioned would be an initial black eye and an absolute albatross around their necks no matter what they say. Additionally, if you were one of the unmentioned teams you’d be an absolute punchline and nobody would ever believed you belong. You take the money and opportunity of course, you just not what your lot is gonna be for a long while.
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So maybe the Hawaii thing isn’t so far fetched…

Read an article that the mayor of Honolulu, or wherever, has a lobbying group put together that’s been lobbying the PAC 2 for more than a month… talk about “bad faith” if the university knew about it…

The kicker of it though is that apparently Hawaii’s exit fee is only $3.5 million.

Now the penalty to the PAC 2 would still be tacked on, but that MIGHT change the calculus a tiny bit… especially if you add in the Gonzaga wrinkle.
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Rod_the_Rebel said:
F the mountain west
F UNLV

I’m not devoting any more time to this nonsense.

Go Georgia Tech.
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That’s where I’m at. I live here in Vegas now and did my masters at UNLV but at least I’ve got OU football (they’re going to be awful this year) because this shit is just not looking good for us in the future. I know our major men’s teams have been terrible for a while but the lack of NIL fundraising is baffling. Especially in a city like this. I hate to sound like such a little bitch but sheesh.
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Rosegreen1
saulpaul21 said:
Our 2 commissioners are burning the house down around them to save face. A merger would be best for both of them.

Who could go above them to make this a win-win?
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The parameters of a merger were clear with the PAC, they didn’t follow those parameters and there’s a penalty for that. Now they don’t want to pay those penalties. Their funds have probably dried up and can’t afford any AAC schools.

Now the PAC is considering UTEP according to reports. Going from AFA, UNLV, Tulane, Memphis, USF to…. UTEP. What a disaster at the PAC offices, and they don’t even have a secured tv rights deal, only burning cash to pay for member schools exit fees.

Who wants to merge with a bunch of morons that thought they were too good for this conference and ended up in the same spot? It’s hilarious.
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Rosegreen1
Loyal Coug1 said:
Well I hope that it ends up as a merger. And yes, we are now in the same boat, and will be competing for the same 8th school, as well as any others.
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Merger won’t happen because certain schools are shady and not good partners. It’s business I understand but that’s also why the mw is proactive and kept unlv and afa in the conference.

The PAC got turned down from SIX schools yesterday. A crushing blow to an upstart conference and any idea of a grand tv deal just went up in smoke. You guys are a regional conference that now has to compete with the MWC to invite UTEP and Texas State. Ha!

The AAC and MWC media partners are not going to go quietly into the night either, ESPN and CBS will make sure that they have a viable programming strategy and not just hand everything over to the CW.
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reagan21 said:
That was because BYU and Utah wouldn't let them in. The MWC wanted Boise LONNNNGGGGG before they finally got their invitation.
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This is very true... Utah was rounding also into a very top tier football program at the same time and understood the game... If you lose one game in a non-power conference back then even to a team like Boise, you lost all shot at playing in a BCS bowl. The system was very different now. Also Boise benefitted tremendously in reputation by beating up members of the WAC.. 51-3 over a 5 year period.. You dont think UNLV would benefit from going 51-3 over 5 years with multiple conference championships?
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Loyal Coug1 said:
Well I hope that it ends up as a merger. And yes, we are now in the same boat, and will be competing for the same 8th school, as well as any others.
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We're just hoping you keep paying us money until your front offices decide that this is the best course of action. 30 million dollars is going to go a long way for us... How much money are you expecting from that Pac 2 war chest to help with that 120 million debt youve got?
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oneepstein
dcut03 said:
That was a single school with a boatload of cash in the bank that could take the hit.
PAC was 50%, the recent CUSA teams to the AAC was about 60% 1.75 mil on a 3 mil exit fee.
Also notice the value of the exit fees, significantly less than what the MW set.
All of these other situations were agreed upon in their bylaws, but were still talked down.
My guess the MW set them very high knowing they would get talked down, hopefully getting a percentage. Honestly I could see it get down to even 5 mil per team or even less.
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The exit fees owed by the schools leaving will be withheld from future media rights distributions to those schools per MW bylaws. If that’s $6 million each (as I’ve read) and the payments are made on June 1st of each calendar year (per MW bylaws again), then that’s two payments each that they will not be getting.
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reagan21
dcut03 said:
That was a single school with a boatload of cash in the bank that could take the hit.
PAC was 50%, the recent CUSA teams to the AAC was about 60% 1.75 mil on a 3 mil exit fee.
Also notice the value of the exit fees, significantly less than what the MW set.
All of these other situations were agreed upon in their bylaws, but were still talked down.
My guess the MW set them very high knowing they would get talked down, hopefully getting a percentage. Honestly I could see it get down to even 5 mil per team or even less.
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Those are schools not flush with cash. We're talking about the PacSuns who poached, at least 4 teams, under the shadow of "we will pay your exit fees." PacSuns are flush with cold hard cash.

I have clients who want to get and are entitled to $2M but the reality is the Defendant only has $600k...so that's what we settle on. Not the same situation with those schools and their reduction of exit fees. Get that money...

I WILL SAY THIS!!!!!!!

It would be wise for the MWC to accept a reduced amount now than wait until 7/1/26. Tell them, you can pay us $17 each in 2026 ORRRRRRR $11M now. I bet this is happening as we speak.
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ricovegas
BornRebelRed said:
I’m pretty sure UNLV has a secret handshake agreement to join the Big 12 at their next real realignment. Play a normal Mountain West schedule for the next two years, then use the extra money to pay coaches, players and any expenses to join. The Pac 12 is not our friend. Remember, Arizona and Arizona State are in the Big 12. It’s where we want to be. The new Pac 12 will not be signing any gigantic media contract. It’s just not gonna happen. Take a deep breath and relax. It will all play out in UNLV”s favor in the end. Ps. Sluka quitting will ignite the Rebs as the new QB is more than capable and more in tune with the other players.
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I hope you're right.
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LVRebel2000
dcut03 said:
Because every other exit fee situation has been negotiated down in recent years. Usually to about 60%. The MW's seem to be a bit egregious based on the value of the media contract so far, so I can see it get down to 50%.
PAC's exit fees were 10 mil on 1 year contract with 1 year notice that was worth well over 20 mil per school. It got negotiated to 50% to 5 mil a piece.
So expecting more than 3x's the value of a single year with 2 years notice is above precendent quite a bit.
Typically part of the negotiations is future NCAAT money for instance. So I would guess the MW keeps future NCAA money, but gives up on the exit fees.
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That's not true. Look at the most recent departures of the schools that left the AAC and into the Big 12.

The AAC agreement said you have to give 27 months notice and pay $10 million. Since they were less than the 27 months, it became a negotiated deal.

SMU paid $24 million.
Houston, Cinci and UCF each paid $18 million.
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