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NIU TO MWC

And if that had been us and North Dakota you could take the zero off that attendance number. I can't wait to play games in November in Fargo when it's minus 138 degrees.
Fargo has the Fargodome to play in so weather only an issue on getting there. Seats 19,000 for football. Until recently they packed it. But now Fargo fans are bored with beat downs over non name schools and they rarely pack it.

It's all G5....

Are you guys sure about sos meaning that much? The last few years (not this year), Liberty played and beat NO ONE of significance yet were highly ranked and would have made the 12-team playoffs. I don't think SOS plays as big a part as some might think. I don't recall if it was here at Rebel net or elsewhere, but someone put up a spreadsheet of the rankings and it's various criteria, and they appeared a lot more biased toward SOR (strength of record) and showed that SOS had little influence in those rankings.

Time to follow the Football Programs Lead

The football program has shown both the ability to attract and pay high profile coaches to get to respectability, I think it is about time for the basketball program to begin to do the same. Quit with first time coaches and let's get someone in here who will spark some interest in the program. It's time to revive this program. It's been almost 35 years....enough is enough!!!

It's all G5....

Don’t think it ultimately matters which conference we’re in. Most important thing is to try and play P4 teams in the non conference slate and Win those games like we did this year. Boise State’s reputation is la

To me it depends on the teams in question. A 2 loss Boise St definitely gets in over a say a 1 loss Wyoming. If you have enough prestige, I don’t think that’s the case. For example, 10-12 years ago, I don’t think a 2 loss Fresno St would have gotten in over a 1 loss Boise St. I truly believe the key will the non conference slate when it comes to the playoffs. TV deal would be better for the PAC, but don’t think playoff standing improves a ton.

I totally get what you're saying. And pretty much agree.

'Prestige' is part of the problem though.

PAC has some schools with it..

SDSU is down but is only a few years removed from being a top 25 program. Fresno makes bowl games pretty consistently. Boise State is the premier G5 program. USU was down this year but was on a very good run prior.

New MWC premier teams are UNLV and probably San Jose State? I would say AFA but the academies are really hard to project/predict year to year because they don't recruit at a particularly high level and they can't utilize the portal.

We'll see. My hope is UNLV isn't long for the MWC. I don't think long term working at a disadvantage vs PAC schools in media rights revenue is sustainable.

It's all G5....

Don’t think it ultimately matters which conference we’re in. Most important thing is to try and play P4 teams in the non conference slate and Win those games like we did this year. Boise State’s reputation is la
I don't disagree with the crux of the point your making.

And in the long term this probably doesn't matter.

But with the current CFP structure SOS scheduled matters.

Army had one loss (before Navy) and beat a highly regarded Tulane team in their conference Championship.
Their OOC was weak but so was there conference.

UNLV lost twice. But remained ahead of Army because both OOC and conference schedule were significantly better.

In this new iteration of the MWC UNLV is almost forced to go undefeated in OOC or lose to a top tier P4 in a close game (Like Boise State vs Oregon). Then be forced to run the table in MWC. There won't be any quality wins within the new MWC. I get SDSU and Fresno were both down this year. But beating UNM or Reno or UTEP aren't helping SOS at all.


Longterm with conference realingment and possible Super Conference/League it likely doesn't matter. But short term with this CFP set up I think it does.

If PAC somehow pulls off Memphis or Tulane or both the gap between conference is massive. A 2 loss PAC team likely gets in over a 1 loss AAC/Sun Belt/CUSA/MAC or MWC team.
To me it depends on the teams in question. A 2 loss Boise St definitely gets in over a say a 1 loss Wyoming. If you have enough prestige, I don’t think that’s the case. For example, 10-12 years ago, I don’t think a 2 loss Fresno St would have gotten in over a 1 loss Boise St. I truly believe the key will the non conference slate when it comes to the playoffs. TV deal would be better for the PAC, but don’t think playoff standing improves a ton.
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It's all G5....

The PAC is nothing but another G5 conference. Wait....I forgot they aren't considered a conference until they obtain another football member. Where's SAC St when you need them! Also, where's the superior TV-Media deal? At best, moving to the PAC is a lateral move and I find it meaningful that belonging to the MWC did not prevent Boise from obtaining a bye in the football playoffs.

I don't disagree with the crux of the point your making.

And in the long term this probably doesn't matter.

But with the current CFP structure SOS scheduled matters.

Army had one loss (before Navy) and beat a highly regarded Tulane team in their conference Championship.
Their OOC was weak but so was there conference.

UNLV lost twice. But remained ahead of Army because both OOC and conference schedule were significantly better.

In this new iteration of the MWC UNLV is almost forced to go undefeated in OOC or lose to a top tier P4 in a close game (Like Boise State vs Oregon). Then be forced to run the table in MWC. There won't be any quality wins within the new MWC. I get SDSU and Fresno were both down this year. But beating UNM or Reno or UTEP aren't helping SOS at all.


Longterm with conference realingment and possible Super Conference/League it likely doesn't matter. But short term with this CFP set up I think it does.

If PAC somehow pulls off Memphis or Tulane or both the gap between conference is massive. A 2 loss PAC team likely gets in over a 1 loss AAC/Sun Belt/CUSA/MAC or MWC team.

NIU TO MWC

Unless one of the pac commits leaves them at the alter, we have to be realistic of whats out there. These 4 schools are the best of FCS. It doesn’t seen like there is a good fit out there with any other Cusa or Sun belt teams. The AAC isn’t interested. Our options are few.

Toledo possibly.

NMSU makes sense with geography and natural rivalry with UNM but I'm not sure they help a media deal much now that UTEP is in the fold. I guess you'd have the state of New Mexico locked up.

NIU TO MWC

I posted some viewership numbers of some like matchups above, NDSU VS South Dakota State did better viewership numbers than a number of current MWC teams on the same weekend. The 'prize' potential addition for the PAC Memphis only did 80k more views.

I get reluctance because of the small market sizes of the Dakota and Montana schools, but you would corner those markets completely. There's no other FBS schools in those states. It would not shock me at all if an NDSU VS AFA drew better numbers than say a UNM VS Reno. Or Wyoming VS SJSU.

I don't believe they would hurt a Media deal.

MWC might struggle to match its current 5 million per school distribution.

There really aren't many more realistic or viable options that I can think of.

NMSU? Would be redundant with UTEP. Sam Houston State already essentially said no. They just made the jump up recently. Sac State? Maybe, but I think they are holding out for or hoping for a PAC invite.
Unless one of the pac commits leaves them at the alter, we have to be realistic of whats out there. These 4 schools are the best of FCS. It doesn’t seen like there is a good fit out there with any other Cusa or Sun belt teams. The AAC isn’t interested. Our options are few.
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It isn't so much how well they play, it is what they would do in regards to degrading the TV contract. Do you think these small market teams could improve the TV contract, if yes, then it would be a good move, if no, then it isn't a good move.

I posted some viewership numbers of some like matchups above, NDSU VS South Dakota State did better viewership numbers than a number of current MWC teams on the same weekend. The 'prize' potential addition for the PAC Memphis only did 80k more views.

I get reluctance because of the small market sizes of the Dakota and Montana schools, but you would corner those markets completely. There's no other FBS schools in those states. It would not shock me at all if an NDSU VS AFA drew better numbers than say a UNM VS Reno. Or Wyoming VS SJSU.

I don't believe they would hurt a Media deal.

MWC might struggle to match its current 5 million per school distribution.

There really aren't many more realistic or viable options that I can think of.

NMSU? Would be redundant with UTEP. Sam Houston State already essentially said no. They just made the jump up recently. Sac State? Maybe, but I think they are holding out for or hoping for a PAC invite.
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Marion to Sac State?

Sure, but he said in a post intro presser that he won't be on the field because he'd be wanting to high five guys and be involved. I'm not saying they aren't watching, but they aren't actively participating in preparations and frankly, they shouldn't. They need to be recruiting and building a staff. Let the interim handle the game, let the former staff handle play calling. And let the current players wanting to stay or show new staff what they can do show off their abilities.
I didn’t mention him being on the field, but he could and he should be there, even if its in a booth or suite. I agree, let Del and staff do what they’ve been doing all year long.
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Anyone else notice that when the other team doubles on DJT this team crumples on offense? I mean literally all you have to do is close off DJT and this team looks completely lost. Coach can’t coach his players and adjust accordingly.

Expect a lot of that in conference, and if CKK can’t figure it out, it’ll be a rough slate.
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NIU TO MWC

The more I look at Montana, Montana State, NDSU and South Dakota State, the more I wouldn't mind them being FB only additions and then full members. That would be 4 of the top FCS programs being added. Anybody here think NDSU couldn't beat a number of the current MWC/PAC schools?

You'd absolutely lock up those markets (as small as they are).

I do not think they would negatively impact a media deal.

Also seeing lots of Twitter chatter that NIU is all but a done deal.
It isn't so much how well they play, it is what they would do in regards to degrading the TV contract. Do you think these small market teams could improve the TV contract, if yes, then it would be a good move, if no, then it isn't a good move.
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Marion to Sac State?

Just don’t see that Marion has the chops to make it as a head coach, not with his attitude. Likes most of the offense he brought to UNLV and the attention it received (over sold imo) but honestly I’m glad he’s gone. I couldn’t shake the feeling that Odom and others were just putting up with him.
Definitely a boom or bust hire. Betting on bust, but never know.
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