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Former 5 * DE Tunmise Adeleye from TXST via Michigan State via Texas A&M. I saw he had some pretty serious legal issues at TXST and was released by the Bobcats.

He isn't afraid to take a chance on players anyway. Sounds like a good get football wise.

New Signing

Former 5 * DE Tunmise Adeleye from TXST via Michigan State via Texas A&M. I saw he had some pretty serious legal issues at TXST and was released by the Bobcats.

We are the university of second chances, get use to seeing a few guys like this annually in football and basketball, it’s more than likely the only way we get 5 stars into our programs!

For those thinking about travelling to the first game this year

I am going to have to get your recommendations for food out there. What is worth my time? Looking primarily for Texas Steaks and a half decent taco shop.
He would know better than me but I can tell you that the steakhouse we went to B&B Butchers was awesome and relatively reasonably priced for a steakhouse. Not Capital Grille or Ruth Chris prices a notch below but tasted just as good.

New Signing

Former 5 * DE Tunmise Adeleye from TXST via Michigan State via Texas A&M. I saw he had some pretty serious legal issues at TXST and was released by the Bobcats.

For those thinking about travelling to the first game this year

Not just for selfish reasons, this is a really smart game. Having a game in Texas, especially the Houston area, can be huge for recruiting. There is so much talent in this area.
I am going to have to get your recommendations for food out there. What is worth my time? Looking primarily for Texas Steaks and a half decent taco shop.

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

It's going to be totally irrelevant and totally different by 2031 and likely way before then. Which is why this screaming at the sky about being in some semi-sorta-not as good G conference instead of the PAC is ridiculous nonsense. I think our AD realizes this, as well.
Exactly. How many growth spurts has this city seen in in the last two decades? Even in the last 5 years, the city continues to grow. I believe by the time we hit 2031, our media market is going to continue to grow in value.

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

So straight up, you think it was a good thing that we signed the GOR? Because that is my biggest gripe and you contest everything I say ( I kid, kinda)

How in the hell did signing the GOR help UNLV right now?

No I don't think it was wise. I've never said I thought signing it was good.

I've said not shelling out millions of dollars to join the PAC might have been the right call depending on what THE PAC media rights deal comes in at.

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

say they are worth 10 million a piece right now to make it simple. They have 8 member getting full share currently. 80 mil.

Add a Texas state which I don't think is worth more than 750k right now. Honestly I would be surprised if they are worth 500k. They have had some of the worst viewership than any other program, even if those numbers aren't terrible accurate. They are worth less than most of their current SBC teams that have the same issues.

80.75 Mil / 9 teams= 8.9mill per team.

I think UNLV could be worth as much as 8 mill themselves. I mean we are expected to get about 5 mil as a conference in the MW, with the majority of those teams likely worth less than that individually. So some team has to be pulling up that average. It is UNLV and maybe AFA.

88/9= 9.7 mil per team

There's my math, I even showed my work like a good boy!

That is 800k, nearly a million dollars. if we are worth 10 mil which we could be that is an even mill.

I think easily some teams in the current PAC are worth more than 10. I think the 2 PAC leftovers could be worth as much as 15. Boise is probably over 10 right now.

I think USU is closer to 5, the mean of the old MW.

If current PAC deal is 64 million per year and evenly dispersed.

64 million divided by 8 is an 8 million AAV.

if UNLV is added with a 10 million dollar valuation..

74 million divided by 9 schools now.

8.22 million AAV.

Even at 10 million dollar valuation for UNLV the PAC deal only would bump up 200k by adding them.

That's peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

It's going to be totally irrelevant and totally different by 2031 and likely way before then. Which is why this screaming at the sky about being in some semi-sorta-not as good G conference instead of the PAC is ridiculous nonsense. I think our AD realizes this, as well.
Agreed!

The same folks want to “howl at the wind” about NIL and recruiting too. It is what it is and all of it happens way above anyone’s pay grade on rebelnet!

I think with Harper and the coaches we now have in football and both basketball teams are capable of making do.

UNLV will adapt or die to the environment of NIL, recruiting and conference realignment in college sports, period!
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Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

Because the amounts are undetermined. Therefore not worth bringing up hypotheticals. (Lawsuits)

Your math ain't mathing. UNLV would not bump the PAC media deal by a million dollars.

Lets say PAC has an 8 million AAV with current 8 teams.

So basically the conference is worth 64 million to a media partner.

PAC adds Texas Stare who is valued at 2 million even. PAC gives them a full share.
AAV falls to 7.3 per school.

How much do you really think UNLV is worth.

Lets go bonkers and say UNLV is worth more than anybody in the PAC at 10 million. (They aren't)
You add them to the equation PAC media deal goes to 74 mil with an AAV of 8.3 million.

For UNLV to move the PAC media valuation a full million dollars in that scenario they'd need a valuation of 16-17 million on their own.

If UNLV was worth 17 million right now we'd be in the Big12 not the MWC.
So straight up, you think it was a good thing that we signed the GOR? Because that is my biggest gripe and you contest everything I say ( I kid, kinda)

How in the hell did signing the GOR help UNLV right now?
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Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

Because the amounts are undetermined. Therefore not worth bringing up hypotheticals. (Lawsuits)

Your math ain't mathing. UNLV would not bump the PAC media deal by a million dollars.

Lets say PAC has an 8 million AAV with current 8 teams.

So basically the conference is worth 64 million to a media partner.

PAC adds Texas Stare who is valued at 2 million even. PAC gives them a full share.
AAV falls to 7.3 per school.

How much do you really think UNLV is worth.

Lets go bonkers and say UNLV is worth more than anybody in the PAC at 10 million. (They aren't)
You add them to the equation PAC media deal goes to 74 mil with an AAV of 8.3 million.

For UNLV to move the PAC media valuation a full million dollars in that scenario they'd need a valuation of 16-17 million on their own.

If UNLV was worth 17 million right now we'd be in the Big12 not the MWC.
say they are worth 10 million a piece right now to make it simple. They have 8 member getting full share currently. 80 mil.

Add a Texas state which I don't think is worth more than 750k right now. Honestly I would be surprised if they are worth 500k. They have had some of the worst viewership than any other program, even if those numbers aren't terrible accurate. They are worth less than most of their current SBC teams that have the same issues.

80.75 Mil / 9 teams= 8.9mill per team.

I think UNLV could be worth as much as 8 mill themselves. I mean we are expected to get about 5 mil as a conference in the MW, with the majority of those teams likely worth less than that individually. So some team has to be pulling up that average. It is UNLV and maybe AFA.

88/9= 9.7 mil per team

There's my math, I even showed my work like a good boy!

That is 800k, nearly a million dollars. if we are worth 10 mil which we could be that is an even mill.

I think easily some teams in the current PAC are worth more than 10. I think the 2 PAC leftovers could be worth as much as 15. Boise is probably over 10 right now.

I think USU is closer to 5, the mean of the old MW.

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

There is more smoke to UNLV moving up to a P4 than people think. No, we aren’t SEC bound. But we are on the radar for the Big12 and ACC. However to your point it is unlikely we move before 2031-2032 unless something drastic happens with the ACC or Big12 that forces them to expand past their current footprint.

The amount we spend will be secondary to a media partner. They care more about market size and penetration within that media market. Having a historically well traveled fan base helps too, but the previous two metrics are two big things that matter the most.

While we lack the later, we do the well with the first two. Las Vegas punches above its weight for the size of our market. We are above Oklahoma city, Memphis, and New Orleans. But we have above average market penetration. Having 40m people traveling to Vegas a year helps tremendously. An advertisement seen in Vegas doesn’t necessarily mean its limited to only the Vegas population.

While we lack a fan base that travels in any meaningful numbers; we can point to Iowa State, Syracuse, and hopefully UCLA to show that our stadium looks good for TV. It helps that LSU / USC last season had an attendance larger than the Super Bowl a few months earlier.

You are correct power conferences do not need UNLV to use the stadium. But a trip to Vegas would be cheaper to haul a team + gear to and more exciting to any other p4 fanbase than Boise, OSU, WSU, CSU, SDSU, and USU.
It's going to be totally irrelevant and totally different by 2031 and likely way before then. Which is why this screaming at the sky about being in some semi-sorta-not as good G conference instead of the PAC is ridiculous nonsense. I think our AD realizes this, as well.

OT: Bill would give UNM, NMSU athletics $2.5M each to fund NIL

I think we as taxpayers give up enough to have these professional leagues profit from favorable stadium deals. The casinos reap the bulk of the benefits while paying a relative pittance in gaming revenue taxes compared to other states. If we were to help fund NIL it should expire the second we get into a P5 conference.

OT: Bill would give UNM, NMSU athletics $2.5M each to fund NIL

If you asked me about this bill 10 years ago, I probably would have opposed it....but...I'm a bit indifferent. I can see both arguments
I can't see tax payers being told they are going to help make mid level teenage athletes millionaires when many of them already struggle to pay for college for themselves or their kids!

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

There is more smoke to UNLV moving up to a P4 than people think. No, we aren’t SEC bound. But we are on the radar for the Big12 and ACC. However to your point it is unlikely we move before 2031-2032 unless something drastic happens with the ACC or Big12 that forces them to expand past their current footprint.

The amount we spend will be secondary to a media partner. They care more about market size and penetration within that media market. Having a historically well traveled fan base helps too, but the previous two metrics are two big things that matter the most.

While we lack the later, we do the well with the first two. Las Vegas punches above its weight for the size of our market. We are above Oklahoma city, Memphis, and New Orleans. But we have above average market penetration. Having 40m people traveling to Vegas a year helps tremendously. An advertisement seen in Vegas doesn’t necessarily mean its limited to only the Vegas population.

While we lack a fan base that travels in any meaningful numbers; we can point to Iowa State, Syracuse, and hopefully UCLA to show that our stadium looks good for TV. It helps that LSU / USC last season had an attendance larger than the Super Bowl a few months earlier.

You are correct power conferences do not need UNLV to use the stadium. But a trip to Vegas would be cheaper to haul a team + gear to and more exciting to any other p4 fanbase than Boise, OSU, WSU, CSU, SDSU, and USU.
Not sure why you would include New Orleans, which is a fairly small market?

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

I know they did, but even in the clarification they didn't talk about the windfall of money we are about to receive with this great new GOR situation. They mostly talked about private donations, because this is what truly funded the contracts.

Now yes, after this is said and done, I think the traitorous 5 will be in a better spot than UNLV. But I am not 100% sold on that believe or not. My thing is why sign the GOR when you did? A lot has transpired from agreeing to it to the actually signing of it. See if anything gets settled with arbitration, or at least see where that is going.

Why sign a document that has extra language that will lock you into this conference even if we get zero extra dollars? What's the rush?

We have power in the MW, we are the bellcow now. We didn't have to sign that thing, especially as written. Especially when we have the PAC that would do parades in the streets throughout their towns if we were to join them right now. We could probably leave for free at this point. We had leverage

Don't think so? By adding us the payout per team could jump nearly a million vs taking UNLV over a team like a Texas State or Sac State that brings less than 500k media value to the table. It also raises the the PAC's profile significantly, especially if they don't have to take a flyer on a team that brings little value right now with media and competitiveness.

That is why I am frustrated. Just giving in when we did. Especially because I think there is a path to being in a better competitive conference and get more money.

Because the amounts are undetermined. Therefore not worth bringing up hypotheticals. (Lawsuits)

Your math ain't mathing. UNLV would not bump the PAC media deal by a million dollars.

Lets say PAC has an 8 million AAV with current 8 teams.

So basically the conference is worth 64 million to a media partner.

PAC adds Texas Stare who is valued at 2 million even. PAC gives them a full share.
AAV falls to 7.3 per school.

How much do you really think UNLV is worth.

Lets go bonkers and say UNLV is worth more than anybody in the PAC at 10 million. (They aren't)
You add them to the equation PAC media deal goes to 74 mil with an AAV of 8.3 million.

For UNLV to move the PAC media valuation a full million dollars in that scenario they'd need a valuation of 16-17 million on their own.

If UNLV was worth 17 million right now we'd be in the Big12 not the MWC.
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