Loyal Coug1 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but the MWC will be holding together until at least 7/1/26......

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I’m just talking about it dragging out and eventually forcing the PAC to take Bobs State.

Ok, new wrinkle I just had a thought about…

UNLV and AFA remain in lockstep. No grant of rights, no commitment to the league, no nothing.

The commish, who has been given power to explore for new teams, presents teams A,B,C, and D. Acceptance to the conference requires 3/4 of the members to agree… UNLV and AFA politely decline… being 2/7ths of the members they have veto power.

The MW settles with the PAC for $40million with the stipulation of no fees on anyone else that decides to join.

UNLV and AFA are entitled to their portion of any distribution, even if it happens in the future or at that moment. UNLV and AFA argue that the league is no longer viable and by default has dissolved… UNLV heads to the PAC and AFA heads to the AAC.

🤷🏽‍♂️

And we are glad the PAC'kers didn't vetted them. They are your problem now.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but the MWC will be holding together until at least 7/1/26......

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We dont know, Coug. No one trust the PAC leaders. They sure did not vetted USU.

oneepstein said:

You of course know what you’re talking about… it’s the length of the delay that is at issue and really starts to muck things up.

You’re correct of course that they don’t have a leg to stand on and if it is likely that any ruling ultimately would favor the MW… but delay tactics are real and even if it ends up costing $’s in additional interest it would probably be in the PACs interest to delay, delay, delay.

If your the PAC you’re kind of in a spot where you have almost nothing to choose from outside the MW to get to your 8… so if by some miracle the MW holds together for the next 8 months, oh well guess we gotta go pick up Bobs State.

The MW teams need answers yesterday.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but the MWC will be holding together until at least 7/1/26......

dcut03 said:

I understand that. But it still can be used against them.
To an impartial bystander/judge
MW:"We need the 18 mill to offset future losses of their departure"
PAC. You are already getting 11 million and you are asking for 18 more for a contract less than 2 years from expiring. UNLV is only owed < 10 mil for that time. The other PAC 12 teams payed 5 mil a piece on a contract that had one year left. A contact worth over 20 mil per team per team per year..
MW: ugggh... they agreed to it
PAC: Oregon agreed to over 10 mil, your point? They didnt pay that. And they EASILY could. UNLV ain't no Oregon.

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dcut03 said:

I am not talking about the lawsuit. I am talking about exit fee negotiations. Again, I don't think they will get the poaching fee reduced. How many times do I i have to say that.
But every other exit fee has been talked down in recent years. Not sure the mechanics of that, but I'm guessing lawyers are involved, no?
They are 2 separate things. Yes. I also understand that. But i can see how the fees can be used against them once the exit fees are going to be negotiated and ultimately reduced. And they will be reduced unless the MW teams cannot do what every other conference done.
The PAC as a conference are suing the MW, but the teams themselves talk down the fees.

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Sorry buddy, you say 2 different things in successive posts. You sure you didn't come from my Board and assume a different handle?

And semi related, there were basically no exit fees for the Pac traitors because the media contract had expired. I still am not quite sure how we wrangled the $65M from them.

Masked_rebel said:

So the MWC should negotiate with Boise and with Fresno/CSU, get 60% that's still almost 12 million dollars per school.. SDSU on the other hand they don't, SDSU 2 years ago tried to leave and negotiated a settlement to return and avoid paying exit and entry fees.. they're F****d. I'm sure there was something in that settlement...
So you're still getting 55 million + 44-46 million, + 18.... that's a pretty good payday

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Good point

reagan21 said:

I forgot the rest of my post...

Mikey Keane is improved from last year but he can still be baited into really bad throws. They are a wide open offense. Pressure is key to get Mikey to make bad decisions. If we win the turnover battle I think we win the game. Catalan and Baldwin are primed for 2-3 Ints.

Anyone have word on McDuffie?

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Coach said game time decision

reagan21 said:

Crazy thing: frivolous lawsuits sometimes work or force settlement. This lawsuit is horribly bad and has little legal basis to continue, but that’s not why they filed it.

They’re forcing the MWC to the table to negotiate. It’s their only move. I’d love for the MWC to stay wrong in their principle and live off the exit fees, but it won’t happen.

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You of course know what you’re talking about… it’s the length of the delay that is at issue and really starts to muck things up.

You’re correct of course that they don’t have a leg to stand on and if it is likely that any ruling ultimately would favor the MW… but delay tactics are real and even if it ends up costing $’s in additional interest it would probably be in the PACs interest to delay, delay, delay.

If your the PAC you’re kind of in a spot where you have almost nothing to choose from outside the MW to get to your 8… so if by some miracle the MW holds together for the next 8 months, oh well guess we gotta go pick up Bobs State.

The MW teams need answers yesterday.

So the MWC should negotiate with Boise and with Fresno/CSU, get 60% that's still almost 12 million dollars per school.. SDSU on the other hand they don't, SDSU 2 years ago tried to leave and negotiated a settlement to return and avoid paying exit and entry fees.. they're F****d. I'm sure there was something in that settlement...
So you're still getting 55 million + 44-46 million, + 18.... that's a pretty good payday

I am assuming quite a bit of stuffs because I watched and observed Coach O and UNLV doing stuff. Just my opinions.

With UNLV, the school is one of the favorite to get to CFP. There is income from that. If by the grace of God they win a game, there will be more money. That what Coach O and UNLV are working on. Not to live on some sort of hand out. It is not just about money either...

reagan21 said:

everything your hypothetically PAC just said in that post is not based on law.

The “ughhhhh you agreed to it.” Is exactly how contract law works.

It can’t be used against them. It’s why the $17M exit fees are not part of the lawsuit.

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I am not talking about the lawsuit. I am talking about exit fee negotiations. Again, I don't think they will get the poaching fee reduced. How many times do I i have to say that.
But every other exit fee has been talked down in recent years. Not sure the mechanics of that, but I'm guessing lawyers are involved, no?
They are 2 separate things. Yes. I also understand that. But i can see how the fees can be used against them once the exit fees are going to be negotiated and ultimately reduced. And they will be reduced unless the MW teams cannot do what every other conference done.
The PAC as a conference are suing the MW, but the teams themselves talk down the fees.

1Tripoda said:

Thank you for here today, Reagan. These frivolous lawsuits are confusing to say the least.

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Crazy thing: frivolous lawsuits sometimes work or force settlement. This lawsuit is horribly bad and has little legal basis to continue, but that’s not why they filed it.

They’re forcing the MWC to the table to negotiate. It’s their only move. I’d love for the MWC to stay wrong in their principle and live off the exit fees, but it won’t happen.

reagan21 said:

It depends on what you mean by resolve.

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Thank you for here today, Reagan. These frivolous lawsuits are confusing to say the least.

dcut03 said:

I understand that. But it still came be used against them.
To answer impartial bystander.
MW:"We need the 18 mill to offset future losses of their departure"
PAC. You are already getting 11 million and you are asking for 18 more for a contract less than 2 years from expiring. UNLV is only owed < 10 mil for that time. The other PAC 12 teams payed 5 mil a piece on a contract that had one year left. A contact worth over 20 mil per team per team per year..
MW: ugggh... they agreed to it
PAC: Oregon agreed to over 10 mil, your point? They didnt pay that. And they EASILY could. UNLV ain't no Oregon.

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everything your hypothetically PAC just said in that post is not based on law.

The “ughhhhh you agreed to it.” Is exactly how contract law works.

It can’t be used against them. It’s why the $17M exit fees are not part of the lawsuit.

Rod_the_Rebel said:

Realistic timeline to resolve all this?

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It depends on what you mean by resolve.

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Masked_rebel said:

Except the poaching fee wasn't to offset losses.. it was to discourage them from rebuilding their conference with MWC teams once they agreed to schedule them. A penalty for tampering with them essentially.

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I understand that. But it still can be used against them.
To an impartial bystander/judge
MW:"We need the 18 mill to offset future losses of their departure"
PAC. You are already getting 11 million and you are asking for 18 more for a contract less than 2 years from expiring. UNLV is only owed < 10 mil for that time. The other PAC 12 teams payed 5 mil a piece on a contract that had one year left. A contact worth over 20 mil per team per team per year..
MW: ugggh... they agreed to it
PAC: Oregon agreed to over 10 mil, your point? They didnt pay that. And they EASILY could. UNLV ain't no Oregon.

I think we have someone named Baxter Boney as a real name also, right?

Anthony “Gentle Giant” Bennet

rebswin2 said:

Gilliam-The Hammer
Augmon- Ice
Hudson- El Hud
Banks-Fearless Freddie

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Ice was platicman also, right? Might have been in the NBA. LJ Grandmama was in the NBA also.

Except the poaching fee wasn't to offset losses.. it was to discourage them from rebuilding their conference with MWC teams once they agreed to schedule them. A penalty for tampering with them essentially.

Gilliam-The Hammer
Augmon- Ice
Hudson- El Hud
Banks-Fearless Freddie

Realistic timeline to resolve all this?