I found this tidbit of information regarding the Pac-12 and the traitors some of you might be interested in reading. One thing that stood out is that the traitors if an opportunity came up to join a P4 conference before they are even officially part of the Pac-12 they would have to pay $30 million. lol.

reagan21 said:

It's a reference to a line in The Golden Child. Long Live, Eddie Murphy!

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With all the weird crap going on with this site I was hesitant to click on this thread..

Also funny to think fans from NMSU or UTEP or Texas State come over to lurk on our boards to see what UNLV is all about and our top thread is Chunky Asses..

Anybody tailgating?? I'll bring some beers or something if anyone is...

reagan21 said:

Apparently ASU....maybe.

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Or hear me out a school closer to Holy Cross that we may or may not play later in the season that rhymes with Myracuse.

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I'm sorry Sluka's story does not add up.

I do believe he thought he heard something, or misinterpretted something.

There are some point that are directly contested. They didn't pay for living expenses vs we set you up with a nice place to live and got you a car. They already get food as a part of the training table.

I also don't believe that we only offered 12k. UNLV will not and should not disclose any actual NIL info. Even though it could help in the optics of this case right now, they should NEVER do that. We need to be careful with our money. And really all NIL situations should have a NDI on them as well, really.

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One good thing we know for sure...FSU's corners won't be nearly as good as Kansas'. Should open up more chances for the WR group. Need to get Balungay going also.

1Tripoda said:

Red Zone offense need to have more TD than FG.

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We need to score more points than they do. That is the key to the game.

1Tripoda said:

Red Zone offense need to have more TD than FG.

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So important.

UNLV is definitely distracted and tries too hard. Can't get anything going. Fresno 30 UNLV 17

I predict a hard hitting, violent game. There will be vicious hits.

reagan21 said:

What is this game you speak of?

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Game of Thrones’s sequel. Game of Conferences.

LVRebel2000 said:

Who else is going to the game? I've got a group of 5 going.

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Me and my brother will be in Level 100.

Red Zone offense need to have more TD than FG.

unlove said:

“The parties indicated a hope that the conversation could lead to an expanded relationship.”
- Implies that the relationship between UNLV and Stevens/Circa is not very deep. I’m not an insider so there could be a long-standing relationship here but that sentence from the article implies otherwise.
Why the sensitivity to my comment? Do you work for Stevens or UNLV Athletics? Honest question.

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Derek came from Detroit but Mike Palm has been here for quite a few years. It might have been Mike who brought it to the attention of Derek. No inside sources, just a guess.

This, really hurts recruiting. I, just don't see the same recruits going to UNLV.
Can't, blame the student/athletes really.

dcut03 said:

I don't buy that we were offered a lesser share, other than perhaps less help with exit fees.

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We don't even know what the exit fees are going to end up being, and if your personal belief is the only judge of veracity I'm not sure what the point of having discussions are. I've seen 'burner leaks' that said 2.5 million and 50% share for 2 years. I don't know how good they are, but even if it's just less help you're creating a whole imbalance and how many years of 50% is 12-18 million on their deal? Oh that's right, we have no idea what the deal will be either.

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They lowballed the AAC, and I think they were way unprepared on what it would take to get them out of that conference. An extra 4 mil a year isn't great if they are on the hook for say even 16 mill in exit fees. Especially with travel costs. I also think that Memphis was driving the bus, and like us they didn't want to close the door on the ACC or the Big 12, because they are prime Target for those conferences.

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They lowballed the AAC teams, the scuttle butt is they offered 2.5 million in fee assistance and 100% shares in the media deal. We were a tier after them, why would get the same offer as their first choice. It just doesn't compute.

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But how can you believe "I don't think the PAC will ever be anything better than MWC+" Its simple math. Every team brings an average value to a media contract. Some raise it, some lower it, some are in the middle. If you take the 4 highest teams ( at least to your partners) take one middle team, and cut out all of the detractors, it will be significantly better than all of the teams together. It will be much better than the new MW, and definitely better than the current MW. They new what the MW+ was going to get, they crunched numbers, and decided to break free. Knowing that they were looking and poaching and exit fees. You just don't do that with a notable improvement in annual revenue.

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Because right now the MWC with the dead weight is arguable the first or second best G5 conferencef or football depending on your metrics. Do you think that the PAC in it's current alignment with teams drawing less than 100k views THIS season are somehow going to lift the to P5 status? I think the odds are they will be better than the current MWC IF they get a much better deal, but you're leaning a lot of that hope on programs that have underperformed in football recently. I just don't see them becoming a consistant 5th Power conference, so that's what MWC+ means to me. Do you disagree with the logic? If it makes you feel any better I think the current MWC is going to be the AAC-, top loaded with a couple of tough schools and then a lot of below average programs.

Rebel1986 said:

No need to hate anymore. Every time they say anything in reno, we just remind them how much we are being paid to save their sorry asses!

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Reno: "We run this state."
Us: "You just paid us almost 2 million more a year and 20 million dollars more just so we didnt leave you..."

unlove said:

And no turnovers pls
I’m gonna be anxious the entire game

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my heart rate during the Kansas game was like 90 for the last quarter. LOL

Bullmastiff 1 said:

What the heck is going on with this site?!? I’m posting as Bull? I’m Bull and I love kickers!!!

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I will sue the communist that did this treason.

Meister_Rebel said:

Per the Chicago Tribune, Northern Illinois has not received a formal offer from the MWC. All the shyt we've been through this week they are wondering where that offer is. Calm your tits.

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Right.. The reports merely indicated that Gloria had reached out the MAC commissioner to let him know she was going to talk to them.. Not that they had offered anything.

Meister_Rebel said:

Are you sure about "no exit fee". I've read that we will be able to get out of the GOR prior to 2032 but, did they say specifically it wouldn't cost us anything?

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From my understanding as long it's a p4 conference taking us then that is the case. I could be wrong though with all this info that I've had to keep up with the last few days lol.

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Fair point, about the 12 mil. I do think that can be talked down as well. The PAC was able to do it. But I think assuming it stays at 12 mil is fair.

AS for new G5 conferences I would give the new PAC a pretty big edge, just because they are still better at the top and stronger throughout. so maybe 60%/40%

Good point on the loss of money by annoucing now with the future payout difference and the flat bonus we are getting. Though I think only the flat payment really matters, the rest of the distrubution is just going to supplement our new sh!tty contract, it total value with the extra stipend could easily be less than what we are making now.

Also the goal is to get out of this new MW ASAP. I think UNLV is going all in, and said no to the PAC and will push for the Big 12. so the end goal goal is that we don't see that much of the 25 mil promised, because hopefully we are gone before the second half is paid to us.

But it does feel like we won a modest jackpot, but have to take a paycut at our job, instead of taking the new job where they aren't offering moving expenses but our salary will be raised 2x-3 over the current payout

All that being said, If we are truly going all n for P4, I can get down with that. It probably isn't the smartest long term play, but if they think it is truly attainable, then eff it. Let's go for it!

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PACs gonna have a big leg up on everyone except the AAC… between the two of them? I’d skew at worst 50/50 for the reasons I gave (larger footprint media wise/east coast bias)… but 60/40 is fine for these purposes. I’d still put any other league in any given years odds at no worse than 10%. I’d ask myself if I thought that the PAC would get a team into the CFP every other year… to me there’s a lot that has to go right and a lot that can go wrong in any given season for a single team in a G5 to make the CFP. Variance is HUGE, and like I said in another thread, god forbid your conference mates crap the bed in the non con… even your wins could make you look worse. There are no guarantees.

The loss of money (or not in our case) plus the flat payment next year is WAY bigger a deal than I think people realize. Until I really thought about it I was dead set against all of this bs… when i thought about it though it made a ton of sense.

The smaller payments later are just as you say, helping supplement money we’re not getting as being a part of the PAC. But like I said, if we end up at $5 million and they end up at $10 million, that extra roughly $1.5 million a year means you only cost yourself $3.5 million a year through 2032.

After reflection I think this does more to help us move to a P4 than being broke in the best (arguable) G5.

So yeah, B12 or bust.