UTEP does it again!
- By Gator 82
- Rebel Football
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October 23, 2023 vs Sam HoustonI am sure they won a game some time last year, so it is does it again!
October 23, 2023 vs Sam HoustonI am sure they won a game some time last year, so it is does it again!
This won’t happen because of pride. BUT the Pac schools could vote to dissolve. Its not what they want. They probably expected the MW to vote to dissolve to absolve them of having to pay those exit fees.Not directed at you, you've been on reverse merger wagon from the start.
You said something early on (paraphrasing here) the enemy was on the inside. And I 99.99% ( I hate speaking in absolutes) think Boise and SDSU were the catalysts.
They overvalued their own worth. They overvalued the PAC brand.
I think the PAC might have been Mick Cronined (Former Cincy BB coach who leveraged UNLV for better contract with Cincy) by the AAC schools. Memphis 'Oh yeah we're definitely in.' let's do this! All the while negotiating a better deal out of the AAC when next media rightss get negotiated.
WSU and OSU could have jumped into MWC. They have all they old PAC12 broadcasting stuff. New MWC could have gone to potential new media partners saying look how much money this will save you.
Probably bumped current MWC package up to 8 million. WSU and OSU would have had all that money to absolve debt and still had plenty left over for infrastructure, courting NIL partners etc.
Either they have some amazing plan they've yet to unveil or this was and absolute comedy of errors, arrogance and ineptitude.
Best G5 conference in the country with plenty of upside. Instead we're in this cluster.
I am sure they won a game some time last year, so it is does it again!Maybe the title should be UTEP does it! Vs UTEP does it again...Since it was their first win. 😀
They actually won a game!
UTEP 30 FIU 21
Maybe moving to the MWC wakes them up?
I’m 💯 all in for this.
I’m 💯 all in for this.Texas State and Sam Houston (All Sports)
NIU and Toledo (FB only)
Liberty and WKU all sports.
I know some folks prefer keeping conference smaller less mouths to feed and I get it. I think 9 or 10 makes most sense.
But I wonder what those additions would add to media deal. Liberty has some name value. Multiple timezones (TV) New recruiting pipeline. Two Texas markets.
Bring some friends along and fill up the stadium!33k + 2. I bought tickets today and will be driving from CO. As long as the weather cooperates over the Rockies I should make it on time.
33k + 2. I bought tickets today and will be driving from CO. As long as the weather cooperates over the Rockies I should make it on time.The more I read, particularly after reading the Utah State deal with the PAC, the more I am happy UNLV was smarting enough to stay out of that mess. UNLV priority is to fill the football stadium, win games and keep coach Odom. With around 33K seats already out for the Boise State game, UNLV is moving in the right direction. Next up is to make the state of Nevada 2-0 verse Oregon State.
The more I read, particularly after reading the Utah State deal with the PAC, the more I am happy UNLV was smarting enough to stay out of that mess. UNLV priority is to fill the football stadium, win games and keep coach Odom. With around 33K seats already out for the Boise State game, UNLV is moving in the right direction. Next up is to make the state of Nevada 2-0 verse Oregon State.Oh hell yeah WSU is awash in debt. Short history lesson:
Right after Mike Leach was hired, WSU spent somewhere around $140M on our stadium, mostly on replacing our single-wide trailer press box with a much-needed and very nice structure, luxury boxes, loge seating, etc., and on a "Football-only" building overlooking one end zone. $140M total that is. Bad news we lost 2-3,000 seats by doing so. All to be paid for by the massive revenue influx from the Pac-12 network. Guess what? The Pac-12 network flopped badly. IMHO, both were needed improvements, but we went too far on a wing and a prayer. Thank then AD and Cougar legend Bill Moos (who then bolted for Nebraska), and Pres. Elson Floyd (RIP).
Since then we have also had deficits in our Athletics budgets more often than not. Right now we (and OSU) are living off of our war chest while also throwing it away on poaching fees. But why the F would we want to do that essentially free reverse merger and use some of that saved money to pay down debt? Because we were and still are arrogant and incompetent. WSU and Pac-2 that is.
It happens to old UNLV. It is time for once that Boise State ends up on the losing side! UNLV has not beat them since they joined the MWC.It happens.
Oh hell yeah WSU is awash in debt. Short history lesson:
Right after Mike Leach was hired, WSU spent somewhere around $140M on our stadium, mostly on replacing our single-wide trailer press box with a much-needed and very nice structure, luxury boxes, loge seating, etc., and on a "Football-only" building overlooking one end zone. $140M total that is. Bad news we lost 2-3,000 seats by doing so. All to be paid for by the massive revenue influx from the Pac-12 network. Guess what? The Pac-12 network flopped badly. IMHO, both were needed improvements, but we went too far on a wing and a prayer. Thank then AD and Cougar legend Bill Moos (who then bolted for Nebraska), and Pres. Elson Floyd (RIP).
Since then we have also had deficits in our Athletics budgets more often than not. Right now we (and OSU) are living off of our war chest while also throwing it away on poaching fees. But why the F would we want to do that essentially free reverse merger and use some of that saved money to pay down debt? Because we were and still are arrogant and incompetent. WSU and Pac-2 that is.
Sorry about that. What I meant was I wish we (UNLV) had that in the MW. Our Lady Rebels have dominated the current 11 schools in basketball.Who's we?
Oh hell yeah WSU is awash in debt. Short history lesson:Holy.....
Just read that WSU is 100 million in debt for athletics?!?!
Oregon State is around 40 million?!?!
Both schools were operating on 20 million dollar media rights deals. How the hell are they going to function on possibly half that.
Is this why the PAC low balled Memphis offering to pay 2.5 million of exit fees?
What was the 'war chest' that they got from all the PAC exit stuff 200 million?
I know a lot of schools tend to carry some athletic department debt but 100 million?
I don't know maybe PAC leadership has a rabbit up the sleeve but it's starting to look like they may have overplayed their hand. Over valued the PAC brand.
If they can't structure a media rights deal upwards of 12-15 million what the hell was the point of all this?
Not putting this all on the PAC schools. I fet the feeling Boise and SDSU both were big players in trying to make this happen.
But if they had a 15 million dollar media valuation sitting in front of them why not add Hawaii or Texas Stare or whoever and be done with it?
Who's we?
The powerhouse of the big west died 32 years ago.. never will I forget the big west chants..!!UNLV just has to tread water for a couple of years. With SDSU, Boise and USU gone, UNLV is virtually guaranteed a top 3 spot in conference every single year with UNM and UNR. Fresno and CSU are two programs that pop up every 5 years or so to make an impact in conference and they’re gone.
Now if we can escape those pesky 40 point losses to AFA, UNLV basketball will be back on the map.
Sigh.
The future is bright.
Who's we?I like the idea giving 50% of the NCAA Tournament units to members for Women's Basketball. We will clean up on that. On the Men's side it won't do us any good.
I like the idea giving 50% of the NCAA Tournament units to members for Women's Basketball. We will clean up on that. On the Men's side it won't do us any good.Utah State's Official Contract with the PAC-12 - USUStats Blog
This past week has been a whirlwind for Utah State athletics. A week ago today, Utah State accepted an invitation to the latest iteration of the PAC-12. In doing so, the Aggies joined Oregon State, Washington State, and fellow Mountain West schools Boise State, San Diego State, Fresno State, and…www.usustats.com
Utah State's Official Contract with the PAC-12 - USUStats Blog
This past week has been a whirlwind for Utah State athletics. A week ago today, Utah State accepted an invitation to the latest iteration of the PAC-12. In doing so, the Aggies joined Oregon State, Washington State, and fellow Mountain West schools Boise State, San Diego State, Fresno State, and…www.usustats.com
yesOk the one most ridiculous thing is that the team(s) that make the CFP or Big Dance get 1/2 the revenue, but the relevant expenses are split between all schools. Who the F wrote that up? And who controls the expenses? Does Gonzaga (I hate them) get to stay at the Ritz and eat lobster and hand the check to the Pac?
Ok the one most ridiculous thing is that the team(s) that make the CFP or Big Dance get 1/2 the revenue, but the relevant expenses are split between all schools. Who the F wrote that up? And who controls the expenses? Does Gonzaga (I hate them) get to stay at the Ritz and eat lobster and hand the check to the Pac?Utah State's Official Contract with the PAC-12 - USUStats Blog
This past week has been a whirlwind for Utah State athletics. A week ago today, Utah State accepted an invitation to the latest iteration of the PAC-12. In doing so, the Aggies joined Oregon State, Washington State, and fellow Mountain West schools Boise State, San Diego State, Fresno State, and…www.usustats.com
That extension in April didn't give him more cash in his pocket As I recall he would get retention bonuses if he is here in 2026. The original contract will take him up to 2 million next season. However, he has already earned enough in other bonuses for last year and already this year where he is going to get 2 million.I do think it’s funny that we literally just extended him in May of this year and all of us, myself most definitely included, are screaming for UNLV to back the bank truck up. I mean, is there a precedent to redo a contract within 6 months of just having done it?