rebel5280 said:

The big difference in what Prime did and what we will have to do is CU was in a P4 and playing against P4 competition, we will not be playing many of those types of games. If Mullen brings in the SEC types many of you think, we should be good going forward on talent alone against MWC competition. Now we may have to bring in 40, 50 or more new faces due to attrition but the last time I checked, we have 1 P4 game in UCLA next year, everyone else is a G5 level team and we should be the more talented team in those games. Mullen ain’t Prime and very few are when it comes to recruiting but if we get SEC type transfers like many of you think, we should be good for 10 or more wins next season based off of the talent that will be here.

I will believe it when I see it, as far as the so-called SEC talent comes flowing in but if he does get those types here, we should be fine and Mullen will be moving on in 2 years like Barry due to the success he will have here!

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At this point, he's not going to have much choice but to have a huge portal class this season, unless he can get a bunch of the current guys to change their minds and leave the portal to stay with UNLV. You're right though that it should be much easier for UNLV to succeed in the MW, than it was for CO to succeed in the B12 when Deion came in

j. spilotro said:

All they have to do is throw a million at the judge and then they’ll get their way, they’ll be happy, judge will be happy, judge will get caught … slap on the wrist … being corrupt is fashionable and fully acceptable now.

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The PAC whatever is not the SEC. They will be challenged to throw a few bucks at the cafeteria inside the court. I have no insider knowledge. It was rumored than San Diego State declined the Big 12 due to a proposed reduced payout. Short sighted move. Meanwhile, UNLV remained in a weaker conference to stabilize its finances and receive a get out of jail free card for the Big 12. The following schools have the potential to move to a P4 conference: UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, Boise, SDSU, Fresno, CSU, USF, UConn, WSU, OrSU. I am not a gambler, but UNLV is probably the
best bet for a current school able to be selected to join the Big12 and financially afford a reduced Big 12 payout. Will it work?Who knows! However, I would have made the same decision as UNLV. They bet on themselves and doubled down.

Rebel1986 said:

There is a huge difference between what Deion walked into and what Mullen is walking into. Deion took over a 1-11 program while Mullen will take over a 11-3 program.

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Yes. But what could be the same is the complete roster turnover.

SJSU actually did a really good job. They lost nearly everyone and came back pretty strong all things considered.

I think the general perception of the program does matter. Harder to build from scratch. I think Deion being Deion helps transcend some of that. But he did struggle that first year

Masked_rebel said:

Right up until enough of these guys get together on 1 lawsuit.

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It's ridiculous really so the NCAA can't say how many years eligibility you have and what counts towards that? Why limit it to 4 why not 10 years eligibility?

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Nice to see an important part of the puzzle is staying, hope more follow him!

I saw this article. Any validity to these players?

unlove said:

I don’t have any insight in that regard, just basing it on having a few players enter the portal last year and deciding to stay plus the upward momentum of the program and bringing in CDM has got to be entering into their equation.

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I hope Chittenden is one of them I watch some of these top teams like OSU and Clemson etc play and sweat out their shaky kickers makes it nice to have him and only a freshman.

dcut03 said:

It may up being a near complete rebuild from a personnel standpoint. But at least it wouldnt be from a perception standpoint.

It is easier to tunrover a roster these days but hard to be super successful right away that way. Look and Deion that first year. A lot of buzz, but they ended up being not very good that year. This year was much better.

Even before Odom left I thought we would likely take a step a back from graduation alone. A lot of things lined up to make this past season what it was.

I think we will be good next season, I think we will be a bowl team and still probably be in the mix for the MW championship game. I just don't think we will be winning double digit games


We do need to try to talk some players back and of course hit some doubles, triples, and least a solo home run or 2 in the portal.

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There is a huge difference between what Deion walked into and what Mullen is walking into. Deion took over a 1-11 program while Mullen will take over a 11-3 program.

j. spilotro said:

And, to be fair. We have the whole Oct 1 thing slowing in him down too. Plus there was the on campus shooting just a year ago. You can see how those things added up might torpedo a program. If UNLV wasn’t so cutthroat about winning and had a gentle, softer side, they’d be humane and give him a four year extension.

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life time appointment for treading water!

j. spilotro said:

All they have to do is throw a million at the judge and then they’ll get their way, they’ll be happy, judge will be happy, judge will get caught … slap on the wrist … being corrupt is fashionable and fully acceptable now.

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To my knowledge none of these lawsuits have ever gone to judgement. You think the SEC or BIG 10 is going to allow a Colorado judge to rule against these sorts of conference bylaws?

dcut03 said:

PAC will be solid top to bottom.
You know Utah State with Bronco will be good.
SDSU has a ton of potential to be good. Boise is Boise and Fresno is going to be at least solid every year. CSU is the question mark really, but there is potential there too.
OSU and WAZZU are also question marks. But again much better potential there vs a UTEP or a UNM for example. Depends on how they weather this offseason.
Not a lot of fat there. Their 8th member most likely will be that. But you can get away with that.
Top to bottom I think the PAC will be the best G6. AAC is pretty good at the top but have a lot of fat these days too. The MW will look like an A5 Japanese Wagyu ribeye

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The only “known” year in and year out is Boise State… and their off season hasn’t even started yet. I suspect that they’ll find a way, because they always seem to, but fortunes can change quickly.

Everyone else in the conference has “potential” to be decent in any given season, but not by that much more.

If you look at the last 4 years of conference play it’s been reasonably dominant performances by the defector 5 compared to the remaining members… they’ve won roughly 61% of their games compared to 42% (thanks UNR and New Mexico). But over the last 2 years the gap has closed… they’ve won roughly defectors have averaged 4 wins and the remaining members have averaged 3.5 wins. CSU is the only one of them to have improved their win totals over the last two years, Boise has stayed the same, and the other three have declined.

As far as how OSU and WSU go? Who knows, but I would suspect them to usually be in the upper half at least initially.

Still better than the MW for sure, but aside from Boise there’s not a lot that you can count on.

And when they add whatever turd they have to add they’re gonna take a hit AND they’re barely going to be a conference. The AAC will have WAY more opportunities to bring back quality wins and East coast media bias is going to play a HUGE role in how those teams are perceived.

Jet staying.. Huge keep

LVRebel2000 said:

Yep, this is true. It's just a big if. In Deion's 1st year, he brought in like 80+ new players if I remember, and the team struggled. They were very good his 2nd year though, after turning over a number of those previous 80 with his 2nd recruiting/portal class

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The big difference in what Prime did and what we will have to do is CU was in a P4 and playing against P4 competition, we will not be playing many of those types of games. If Mullen brings in the SEC types many of you think, we should be good going forward on talent alone against MWC competition. Now we may have to bring in 40, 50 or more new faces due to attrition but the last time I checked, we have 1 P4 game in UCLA next year, everyone else is a G5 level team and we should be the more talented team in those games. Mullen ain’t Prime and very few are when it comes to recruiting but if we get SEC type transfers like many of you think, we should be good for 10 or more wins next season based off of the talent that will be here.

I will believe it when I see it, as far as the so-called SEC talent comes flowing in but if he does get those types here, we should be fine and Mullen will be moving on in 2 years like Barry due to the success he will have here!

The MW isn't out of the woods yet. If the PaC prevails in the lawsuits and there is no money to pay us as agreed upon then what?

oneepstein said:

G5 was only G5 because there was a “P5”. Now there is an A4 and everyone else is G6, except Notre Dame.

Objectively, of the remaining G6, I’d say the MW easily would rank third behind the AAC and the new PAC.

The PAC though isn’t even a conference yet, and whoever they add isn’t going to make that conference better. Oh, they’ll polish the hell outta the turd, but it won’t change perception. Add to that the fact that they’ll be at the bare minimum of teams and there are just less opportunities for your teams to go out into the non conference and bring back quality wins to boost SOS scores.

Is it still going to be a better conference than the MW? Yes. They’ll be behind the AAC though and have basically pigeon holed themselves into a regional conference with most of their teams in a single time zone.

The long term may work out for them, but it won’t take much to change that depending on what happens over the next few years.

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PAC will be solid top to bottom.
You know Utah State with Bronco will be good.
SDSU has a ton of potential to be good. Boise is Boise and Fresno is going to be at least solid every year. CSU is the question mark really, but there is potential there too.
OSU and WAZZU are also question marks. But again much better potential there vs a UTEP or a UNM for example. Depends on how they weather this offseason.
Not a lot of fat there. Their 8th member most likely will be that. But you can get away with that.
Top to bottom I think the PAC will be the best G6. AAC is pretty good at the top but have a lot of fat these days too. The MW will look like an A5 Japanese Wagyu ribeye

G5 was only G5 because there was a “P5”. Now there is an A4 and everyone else is G6, except Notre Dame.

Objectively, of the remaining G6, I’d say the MW easily would rank third behind the AAC and the new PAC.

The PAC though isn’t even a conference yet, and whoever they add isn’t going to make that conference better. Oh, they’ll polish the hell outta the turd, but it won’t change perception. Add to that the fact that they’ll be at the bare minimum of teams and there are just less opportunities for your teams to go out into the non conference and bring back quality wins to boost SOS scores.

Is it still going to be a better conference than the MW? Yes. They’ll be behind the AAC though and have basically pigeon holed themselves into a regional conference with most of their teams in a single time zone.

The long term may work out for them, but it won’t take much to change that depending on what happens over the next few years.

LINEBACKER_U said:

If we're good at the portal game we can upgrade our roster overall. I think this is where a coach with lots of sec ties can help. So many players in that conference that could be targets

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Yep, this is true. It's just a big if. In Deion's 1st year, he brought in like 80+ new players if I remember, and the team struggled. They were very good his 2nd year though, after turning over a number of those previous 80 with his 2nd recruiting/portal class

If we're good at the portal game we can upgrade our roster overall. I think this is where a coach with lots of sec ties can help. So many players in that conference that could be targets

bcvegaspt2 said:

The classy thing is that most of these guys waited until after the bowl game.
If our bowl game was later in the month and the window was closed by then, this classiness wouldn't have happened.

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I think we would have had a few more in the portal, but I believe those who were going to go follow Odom would have waited. Those on defense would have had a good idea of what they were walking into anyway.

Mojo702 said:

You didn't read it

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I did and it was mocking the lengthy farewell messages that these kids send out.

It was a good tweet by him.

Edit: I did reread it to make sure that I read it correctly the first time and didn't appear to be an idiot in this response. 🤣

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Right!?!? I mean the first thing I think of with Scrub is old fashioned Christian values.

It may up being a near complete rebuild from a personnel standpoint. But at least it wouldnt be from a perception standpoint.

It is easier to tunrover a roster these days but hard to be super successful right away that way. Look and Deion that first year. A lot of buzz, but they ended up being not very good that year. This year was much better.

Even before Odom left I thought we would likely take a step a back from graduation alone. A lot of things lined up to make this past season what it was.

I think we will be good next season, I think we will be a bowl team and still probably be in the mix for the MW championship game. I just don't think we will be winning double digit games


We do need to try to talk some players back and of course hit some doubles, triples, and least a solo home run or 2 in the portal.

RebelScrub said:

Dude that entire rebel defense is the cornerstone of Excellence.

nah, even though Imma Christian and tattoos are Old Testament and forbidden under the old law, I don’t like pain.

I would possibly get the Rebels Font on the Football helmet that earlier I did not recognize.

There’s this one chick at the gym, she could do it. She already agreed to sit on my face.

Bloodandtearstattoo on IG. and I already met the mom

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There's a lot to unwrap in this post.

The classy thing is that most of these guys waited until after the bowl game.
If our bowl game was later in the month and the window was closed by then, this classiness wouldn't have happened.