I think you have to have the potential to go really big so you can have blockbuster events. Only going to have one shot at it, do it right.
Sands to publicly back stadium on UNLV site
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There is a reason why someone used the language they have. It was done to illicit public response to counter the positive first response. When people think they are paying more taxes they will push back. Suspect I know who had a hand in that.
Nevada is the worst with funding. So much pride in the "we don't have state income taxes," meanwhile public funds built Denver's coors field and the Pepsi center, which helped revitalized the entire downtown and turn it into one of the most desirable places to live.
I completely disagree. I live in Seattle and can attest that the Centurylink is as just amazing hosting MLS games as Seahawks games. Vegas can pull both types of attendances. 55k to a max 65k is a good number for Vegas.
It is not an increase in taxes or fee's. It is funding from a public source, currently being used for other public programs. You can bet that politicians will grab a hold of this and say that public money shouldn't be used to fund projects of billionaires (Adelson and Wynn). You know they will demand a degree of control if they are putting up over $300 million. It will be a hard sell due to political ramifications, and hard to get passed in its current form. You can bet MGM and Caesars will line up against it, and they have extensive lobby power between the two.
My daughter and son-in-law moved into the Wave tower, right across from Centurylink. Centurylink and Safeco play host to many events. Last year we went up to see Paul McCartney. There is no doubt such a facility would be put to good use in Las Vegas. Most Rebel football fans don't want a 60,000 seat stadium because they know there would be a lot of empty seats for Rebel football. But for overall financial and booking reasons, it must be such a size. Can't get your perfect stadium seating capacity if you have private interests involved. For Rebel football purposes, it would be better to have 45,000 seat stadium built in the $450 million area, wholly by funding from LVCVA funds. Less funding, total UNLV control.
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I think Vegas could get away with 55K and make it scalable. Lower deck of 35K would only be sold for UNLV games.
65,000 seats is way too many for a stadium built to primarily house a college football team.
The SEC and Big 10 have been the only college football leagues to average that number.
In the NFL, only 13 teams broke the 70,000 average attendance with half lingering around the 65,000 seat number. A stadium like that will make games feel like a ghost land and there is nothing guaranteeing an NFL team.
UNLV has to focus on what's best for UNLV first and the 523 million dollar stadium with 45,000 seats would be in the best interest of the university. If the Sands used the 420 million dollar carrot they are dangling for that concept, you could see the ground breaking in the near future.
Even the 833 million dollar domed stadium with 55-60 thousand seats would be more doable that what the Sands are proposing
The SEC and Big 10 have been the only college football leagues to average that number.
In the NFL, only 13 teams broke the 70,000 average attendance with half lingering around the 65,000 seat number. A stadium like that will make games feel like a ghost land and there is nothing guaranteeing an NFL team.
UNLV has to focus on what's best for UNLV first and the 523 million dollar stadium with 45,000 seats would be in the best interest of the university. If the Sands used the 420 million dollar carrot they are dangling for that concept, you could see the ground breaking in the near future.
Even the 833 million dollar domed stadium with 55-60 thousand seats would be more doable that what the Sands are proposing
I was stationed in that coast guard post right by those fields in Seattle for a time. Century Link can be fun depending on who is in town. If it can do well in downtown Seattle, theres no reason a stadium wouldn't do well in Vegas.
Product of team plays a huge role. Mariner tickets at safeco field can be found for free. The stadium is mostly empty most of the time.
This stadium would not "primarily" be for UNLV football but UNLV football would certainly benefit from it. Revenue for this stadium would be from many other events UFC, boxing, Wrestlemania, Mega concerts etc. Also for any smaller events , UNLV football included you can Tarp/block off seats and have the crowd more together, even USC does this for part of the Coliseum (not comparing us just an example).
The public funding that the Sands wants is going to kill the stadium. The fact that most if not all is a diversion of current taxes is not the issue per se. Diverting funds from one entity, the new convention center to a stadium means that the new convention center is underfunded. Addison hates the idea of the convention authority using public money to build convention space to compete with the Sands. So he proposes a stadium in an effort to divert the money from the new convention center. On the other hand, the MGM wants the new convention center and does want money diverted to the stadium.
It is a battle of titans that have little or no interest in UNLV. Let them fight. If the Sands wants to fund a stadium, Adelson can write a check for 1.2 billion dollars and the deals is done. If instead, he wants to undermine the construction of a competing convention space, this battle will be fought in arenas where we, mere mortals, and unlv have or nothing to say.
I was excited for a bit when I first read about the stadium but now I think this is another sideshow.
It is a battle of titans that have little or no interest in UNLV. Let them fight. If the Sands wants to fund a stadium, Adelson can write a check for 1.2 billion dollars and the deals is done. If instead, he wants to undermine the construction of a competing convention space, this battle will be fought in arenas where we, mere mortals, and unlv have or nothing to say.
I was excited for a bit when I first read about the stadium but now I think this is another sideshow.
They want to hose major bowl games (ie Dallas), concerts and major sporting events like potentially a Super Bowl. UNLV is only part of the equation. If the choice is a 65K seat stadium with empty upper level seats in the next 5 years or so vs a new stadium that my Grandkids maybe can visit when they're in college I'll take the 65K.
We are talking about public funding for a stadium that would be a huge help for tourism in Southern Nevada without any direct benefit for a single private business. The tax money would mostly come from tax money that is from tourism. The stadium would be a huge benefit for tourism for Southern Nevada (sorry Northern Nevada we do not feel like sending more of OUR money up to YOU). Northern Nevada is pissed about using tax dollars from Southern Nevada (why not be pissed about all the money we send Northern for the unr welfare system). My big question is why they were not pissed of about Tesla? Why not be pissed about the fact unr gets far more per resident in Northern Nevada than UNLV gets for Southern Nevada? The answer is it is a benefit to THEM. Now we have something that will be a huge benefit to Southern Nevada, and they say it is not fair. BULLSHIT!
Tesla is receiving over a billion in tax breaks and is of no benefit to Southern Nevada. This tax break is a benefit to a PRIVATE COMPANY and NORTHERN NEVADA. The National bowling center in Reno received tax breaks when built with no benefit to Southern Nevada. unr gets far more money considering the tax base for Northern Nevada than UNLV. etc, etc, etc.
Northern Nevada is hypocrisy and greed at its best!
Maybe Northern Nevada would agree to return all of the money from the Tesla tax breaks, and extra money for unr! In comparison Southern Nevada pays 3-4 times as much in tax so should be able to get 3-4 times the amount in tax breaks.
It looks like a lot of political pressure must be put on Southern Nevada politicians to force this through or we will never see a stadium.
Tesla is receiving over a billion in tax breaks and is of no benefit to Southern Nevada. This tax break is a benefit to a PRIVATE COMPANY and NORTHERN NEVADA. The National bowling center in Reno received tax breaks when built with no benefit to Southern Nevada. unr gets far more money considering the tax base for Northern Nevada than UNLV. etc, etc, etc.
Northern Nevada is hypocrisy and greed at its best!
Maybe Northern Nevada would agree to return all of the money from the Tesla tax breaks, and extra money for unr! In comparison Southern Nevada pays 3-4 times as much in tax so should be able to get 3-4 times the amount in tax breaks.
It looks like a lot of political pressure must be put on Southern Nevada politicians to force this through or we will never see a stadium.
It is UNLV's land, this is a venue that is for the purpose of UNLV with entertainment options a plus.
There are two prior options on the table that cost less in public money than the Sands option even with the 400 million they are adding. Unless they want to back a previous option, they might as well shut this down right now.
There are two prior options on the table that cost less in public money than the Sands option even with the 400 million they are adding. Unless they want to back a previous option, they might as well shut this down right now.
If we build a smaller stadium, that would be a total waste of money and not looking at the long term benefits to both UNLV and Southern Nevada. In order to be able to attract large events like major soccer games, 7x7 rugby, concerts, large UFC fights, NCAA basketball tournament games, etc., we need to scale for our future needs and not just for the short term use of UNLV. In order to move UNLV to the next level both in athletics and academics, we need to be able to get into a better conference (PAC12 is best option then Big12).
UNLV would easily fill this stadium if they move into a decent conference from a combination of a large increase in attendance from locals and the large number of fans that would travel with teams to come to LV. UNLV has never had any real success at the division 1 level due to a lack of good facilities and proper funding, but was able to average 30K per game in the past, only to see a steady decrease in attendance due to a couple of decades of teams mostly winning 0-4 games per season. The average attendance of 30K was win the population of LV was less than half of what it is now, and the number of UNLV alumni living in the Las Vegas valley was probably one third of what it is now. The population base in the valley can easily fill a much bigger stadium if they can put a decent product on the field. Sanchez appears to be quickly handling the side in regards to a better product, now we need to work hard to provide the facilities necessary to become a big player in college football.
Games against teams from BYU, Hawaii, Wisconsin, UCLA, etc have shown that we can attract much bigger visiting crowds to LV then most other cities can. A local attendance of 40k plus along with 10K plus from the team visiting would make a stadium of 60k plus necessary.
Currently the money that they are looking at using from the public side for the construction of the new stadium would be coming from funds that are currently siphoned off for things like additional funding for unr, huge tax breaks for Tesla, etc.. I just hope that the local politicians see that we have allowed northern welfare to remove the money from the Southern Nevada economy for years, and now it is time that it get used for the benefit of Las Vegas. How much of a benefit to Las Vegas is the huge billion dollar tax break for Tesla?
The construction of the stadium would allow for the tourism industry to go after many of the same events that currently go to other large stadiums including Dallas stadium. If you wonder what types of events could fill the new stadium, just look at the events held in Dallas currently. The national finals rodeo could sell 2-3 times as many tickets if they could have a bigger stadium which would also help keep them in Las Vegas. Other events would include the following:
Monster Jam (1-2 events per year)
Supercross (1-2 events per year)
Rodeo (NFR or other events currently the T&M is undersized for their events and would help keep them 10+ days a year)
Wrestlemania/UFC/boxing (1-2 events per year)
Concerts (configure for special events) - (3-7 events per year)
major Soccer matches (events including high level foreign teams could easily fill stadium) - 1-3 events per year
pre-season NFL games - they have played in London which allows betting (possible event)
NFL team - this is more of a long shot
major NCAA basketball games (1-2 events per year)
NBA games (configure for special events) (1-2 events per year possible)
7x7 rugby (1 event per year 3 days)
college bowl game (larger stadium would allow bowl game to gain in status) - existing bowl game
PAC12 championship game (very possible to get PAC12 championship maybe even other conferences)
UNLV football games - this size stadium would allow for UNLV to play much stronger home schedule even if not in major conference (6 events per year)
major league baseball games - would depend on layout if this would work (possible)
NCAA regional basketball game (would be project to work on)
Gold Cup soccer games/US Soccer games for World Cup qualifyin/foreign soccer teams (3-5 events year)
Conventions and other tourism events that need large open space (3-5 events year)
etc.
They could find enough events to fill the stadium for 4-+ weeks of the year based on the ability to have 1 event per week with exception of 2 weeks for NFR. Considering you can normally only hold 1 event per week due to set up and take down time for the majority of events, there are enough events in a City the size of Las Vegas to make a new stadium an important part of the tourism industry for Southern Nevada.
UNLV would easily fill this stadium if they move into a decent conference from a combination of a large increase in attendance from locals and the large number of fans that would travel with teams to come to LV. UNLV has never had any real success at the division 1 level due to a lack of good facilities and proper funding, but was able to average 30K per game in the past, only to see a steady decrease in attendance due to a couple of decades of teams mostly winning 0-4 games per season. The average attendance of 30K was win the population of LV was less than half of what it is now, and the number of UNLV alumni living in the Las Vegas valley was probably one third of what it is now. The population base in the valley can easily fill a much bigger stadium if they can put a decent product on the field. Sanchez appears to be quickly handling the side in regards to a better product, now we need to work hard to provide the facilities necessary to become a big player in college football.
Games against teams from BYU, Hawaii, Wisconsin, UCLA, etc have shown that we can attract much bigger visiting crowds to LV then most other cities can. A local attendance of 40k plus along with 10K plus from the team visiting would make a stadium of 60k plus necessary.
Currently the money that they are looking at using from the public side for the construction of the new stadium would be coming from funds that are currently siphoned off for things like additional funding for unr, huge tax breaks for Tesla, etc.. I just hope that the local politicians see that we have allowed northern welfare to remove the money from the Southern Nevada economy for years, and now it is time that it get used for the benefit of Las Vegas. How much of a benefit to Las Vegas is the huge billion dollar tax break for Tesla?
The construction of the stadium would allow for the tourism industry to go after many of the same events that currently go to other large stadiums including Dallas stadium. If you wonder what types of events could fill the new stadium, just look at the events held in Dallas currently. The national finals rodeo could sell 2-3 times as many tickets if they could have a bigger stadium which would also help keep them in Las Vegas. Other events would include the following:
Monster Jam (1-2 events per year)
Supercross (1-2 events per year)
Rodeo (NFR or other events currently the T&M is undersized for their events and would help keep them 10+ days a year)
Wrestlemania/UFC/boxing (1-2 events per year)
Concerts (configure for special events) - (3-7 events per year)
major Soccer matches (events including high level foreign teams could easily fill stadium) - 1-3 events per year
pre-season NFL games - they have played in London which allows betting (possible event)
NFL team - this is more of a long shot
major NCAA basketball games (1-2 events per year)
NBA games (configure for special events) (1-2 events per year possible)
7x7 rugby (1 event per year 3 days)
college bowl game (larger stadium would allow bowl game to gain in status) - existing bowl game
PAC12 championship game (very possible to get PAC12 championship maybe even other conferences)
UNLV football games - this size stadium would allow for UNLV to play much stronger home schedule even if not in major conference (6 events per year)
major league baseball games - would depend on layout if this would work (possible)
NCAA regional basketball game (would be project to work on)
Gold Cup soccer games/US Soccer games for World Cup qualifyin/foreign soccer teams (3-5 events year)
Conventions and other tourism events that need large open space (3-5 events year)
etc.
They could find enough events to fill the stadium for 4-+ weeks of the year based on the ability to have 1 event per week with exception of 2 weeks for NFR. Considering you can normally only hold 1 event per week due to set up and take down time for the majority of events, there are enough events in a City the size of Las Vegas to make a new stadium an important part of the tourism industry for Southern Nevada.
The most recent LV Bowl between Utah/BYU needed a 65K seat stadium. That game sold out the first day at Sam Boyd.
Las Vegas Bowl would become a premier bowl. Possibly in top 6-7 of all bowls.
The simple fact remains that there are very few people in the area that would be onboard with spending that much money on a stadium. Minus public support the project will never get off the ground.
Also, only 3 stadiums in the Pac 12 exceed 65,000 and 5 exceed 60,000.
The three that exceed that compacity were all built over 80 years ago in the early 1920s with slow renovations.
Only Stanford, Temple, Minnesota and Pitt have built stadium the seat more that 46,000 since 2000.
Only Pitt and Temple's stadiums exceed the low 50,000. No way the public would back the idea and it unlikely tourism will be taking a major hit anytime in the near future.
Also, only 3 stadiums in the Pac 12 exceed 65,000 and 5 exceed 60,000.
The three that exceed that compacity were all built over 80 years ago in the early 1920s with slow renovations.
Only Stanford, Temple, Minnesota and Pitt have built stadium the seat more that 46,000 since 2000.
Only Pitt and Temple's stadiums exceed the low 50,000. No way the public would back the idea and it unlikely tourism will be taking a major hit anytime in the near future.
All good information but you see Las Vegas is not like any of the cities (or universities) you posted. This stadium is for Las Vegas mostly with UNLV kicker.
What part of 'room tax' are you not understanding?
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Its not about tourism taking a hit, its about increasing tourism.
UNLV football would only take up 6 weekends a year.
Also how many jobs short/long term would this stadium create.
Las Vegas is a top 20 world destination. Masses of people want to come to Vegas and any mega event that Vegas can host in a 65K seat stadium would sell out. That's the demand calling for the 65K, not merely UNLV football. Comparing the demand from other college campus stadiums to this particular project is apples and oranges.
Obviously since the venue would reside right on UNLV's campus it would be an amazing home venue for Rebel football and would elevate the campus and football facilities into college elite (no other college campus would have a $1.2 billion stadium with the iconic Las Vegas Strip as the backdrop). Rebel football would skyrocket.
The way I see it UNLV football is only a drop in the bucket in terms of the overall purpose of this stadium but would benefit directly from it in significant ways. The university as a whole would climb athletically and academically.
Obviously since the venue would reside right on UNLV's campus it would be an amazing home venue for Rebel football and would elevate the campus and football facilities into college elite (no other college campus would have a $1.2 billion stadium with the iconic Las Vegas Strip as the backdrop). Rebel football would skyrocket.
The way I see it UNLV football is only a drop in the bucket in terms of the overall purpose of this stadium but would benefit directly from it in significant ways. The university as a whole would climb athletically and academically.
Since a lot of people from up north seem to think we shouldn't spend all of this Southern Nevada room tax money that belongs to the state (somehow it is ok for Tesla but not for anything in Las Vegas), why don't we agree that we get the same size stadium on campus as unr based on our population compared to theirs. Reno metropolitan population is 425,000 and the Las Vegas metropolitan population is 2,100,000. They currently have a stadium of 30,000.
30,000 x (2,100,000/425,000) = 148,235 seat stadium to make things fair, and we are willing to settle for 65,000.
It is time for all of our state reps to grow a pair of balls and stop letting them walk all over us.
30,000 x (2,100,000/425,000) = 148,235 seat stadium to make things fair, and we are willing to settle for 65,000.
It is time for all of our state reps to grow a pair of balls and stop letting them walk all over us.
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It was Davis and his father that registered the domain lasvegasraiders.com in 1998. Too funny.
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CBS article. Appears true.
Would need 24 votes from owners.
My guess, Houston and Dallas owners vote for it. Keeps Raiders out of San Antonio and possibly stealling market shares.
22 more to go...
I could see it passing. Would have to think that the Chargers & Rams would be delighted about it instead of having the Raiders go to Los Angeles. The 49ers would love to get them out of the Bay Area. With the Domed stadium, better weather to travel to and play in than Oakland for most teams it should be a done deal if the owners don't get all out gambling phobia.
just spitballing here;
Do you think the owners would still be salty wth the state of Nevada and their declaration concerning draft kings and fanduel being sports gambling? Some of these owners had stake in both companies.
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