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Ok. Looking at the landscape and what's available would you be content if this was the new MWC lineup. I didn't include NIU because I don't see how it makes sense. (Be glad to have them. Just not sure it happens.


UNLV.
HAWAII
RENO
AFA
WYO
SJSU
UNM

TEXAS STATE
UTEP
NMSU
LA TECH
SAC STATE. (FCS)

SOLID

OR

HORSE POOP
 
IT WILL be like the BIG WEST for BB in the Take era. We should dominate. We 4 sure took a big step back in terms of overall talent for the league.
 
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Ok. Looking at the landscape and what's available would you be content if this was the new MWC lineup. I didn't include NIU because I don't see how it makes sense. (Be glad to have them. Just not sure it happens.


UNLV.
HAWAII
RENO
AFA
WYO
SJSU
UNM

TEXAS STATE
UTEP
NMSU
LA TECH
SAC STATE. (FCS)

SOLID

OR

HORSE POOP
We know Pac 12 must take one more school, I'd assume that that school comes from the group of Texas State, UTEP, and NMSU. Personally, I imagine BSU and SDSU throwing a huge fit about bringing up any of them, but particularly Sac State. Credibility of that league would drop even more nationally. We know the MWC may have to go that route... but if the Big 12 decided to forego G6 expansion in favor of Abilene Christian, they would lose some credibility. So I expectone of the first 3 to Pac 12.

I think MWC would be best served grabbing Sac State (I genuinely think it's a good addition to the league, sure it isn't sexy.... but there arent generations of "meh" attached to them. Remember, Liberty and JMU were FCS 5 years ago.).

I don't like La Tech in the group, unless you specifically need something regionally to go with a Texas State. Still not sure if I like them as that partner. Somewhere in this conversation, Sam Houston is in the conversation... not saying I support them for MWC membership, but Texas FBS school.

I might prefer Sac State, Idaho, amd Texas State as top 3. I maintain if you get either UTEP or NMSU, you gotta grab the other. Because of geography, they are less valuable individually than they are together, IMO.
 
Ok. Looking at the landscape and what's available would you be content if this was the new MWC lineup. I didn't include NIU because I don't see how it makes sense. (Be glad to have them. Just not sure it happens.


UNLV.
HAWAII
RENO
AFA
WYO
SJSU
UNM

TEXAS STATE
UTEP
NMSU
LA TECH
SAC STATE. (FCS)

SOLID

OR

HORSE POOP
To answer the question you actually asked... I'd be okay with the lineup. I don't love it, but need 2 full time members. I still think the overall picture should include consideration of Idaho and/or Weber State. But take out La Tech from the 5 you listed, and it's maybe the best situation we can reasonably draw up.
 
I don't if we need to add 4. I think we need a PAC approach to maximize payouts.
Does anyone is Sacramento give a crap about Sac St? They are the best market, but will they be an even worse version of SJSU where no one in that good market gives a crap? Plus they will cost an extra 5 mill to call up. But if they have some numbers to support that they would help the contract, then maybe
UTEP should be the first decent market with decent market penetration when they don't suck absolute balls. NMSU doesn't move the needle at all but at least they won't be to biggest pushover competitively.
Then maybe stop there?
If Gonzaga goes PAC i say we grab st. Mary's and GCU for basketball only. We need more for basketball then football i think.
 
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I don't if we need to add 4. I think we need a PAC approach to maximize payouts.
Does anyone is Sacramento give a crap about Sac St? They are the best market, but will they be an even worse version of SJSU where no one in that good market gives a crap? Plus they will cost an extra 5 mill to call up. But if they have some numbers to support that they would help the contract, then maybe
UTEP should be the first decent market with decent market penetration when they don't suck absolute balls. NMSU doesn't move the needle at all but at least they won't be to biggest pushover competitively.
Then maybe stop there?
If Gonzaga goes PAC i say we grab st. Mary's and GCU for basketball only. We need more for basketball then football i think.
I agree. We dont need to add a ton of teams unless there's something being asked by media partners. Get a lean conference but take away Pacs top targets..
 
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Ok. Looking at the landscape and what's available would you be content if this was the new MWC lineup. I didn't include NIU because I don't see how it makes sense. (Be glad to have them. Just not sure it happens.


UNLV.
HAWAII
RENO
AFA
WYO
SJSU
UNM

TEXAS STATE
UTEP
NMSU
LA TECH
SAC STATE. (FCS)

SOLID

OR

HORSE POOP
Sac State needs a stadium

 
I don't if we need to add 4. I think we need a PAC approach to maximize payouts.
Does anyone is Sacramento give a crap about Sac St? They are the best market, but will they be an even worse version of SJSU where no one in that good market gives a crap? Plus they will cost an extra 5 mill to call up. But if they have some numbers to support that they would help the contract, then maybe
UTEP should be the first decent market with decent market penetration when they don't suck absolute balls. NMSU doesn't move the needle at all but at least they won't be to biggest pushover competitively.
Then maybe stop there?
If Gonzaga goes PAC i say we grab st. Mary's and GCU for basketball only. We need more for basketball then football i think.

@LocoRebel

Tagged you here as well since you shared the idea the MWC doesn't need to go to 12.

I don't disagree..

But..

If UNLV does have designs on Big12. It might behoove (HELL YEAH USED IT IN A SENTENCE)
Gloria to add inventory for that possibility..

I can see both sides of it to be honest.

I through LA Tech in there with the original idea/plan I had of adding Toledo/NIU and Liberty. Granted these schools are 'close' but La Tech closer than a lot of the MWC. Was trying to cut some travel. Cut those three out and left La Tech. Definitely my least favorite of that group listed above.
 
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Ok. Looking at the landscape and what's available would you be content if this was the new MWC lineup. I didn't include NIU because I don't see how it makes sense. (Be glad to have them. Just not sure it happens.


UNLV.
HAWAII
RENO
AFA
WYO
SJSU
UNM

TEXAS STATE
UTEP
NMSU
LA TECH
SAC STATE. (FCS)

SOLID

OR

HORSE POOP
I can’t see adding THAT many… too much dilution of what’s likely to be a bad media deal anyway.

I mean, it has to be what it has to be I guess, but god that’s gross.

Also, if your the PAC you still need one that’s likely coming from that same group, which is just gonna make you look terrible and likely cost everyone in the conference at least $1 million per year in revenue because of dilution. You’ve likely already diluted yourself with Utah State as well, so your per school distribution is taking a hit with the last two adds.

And you’re only at 8.

In the short term you’re fine I guess, but 8 isn’t a longer term solution and I don’t think you can stay at 8 for very long. I would think that you’d want to be at least 9, but preferably 10, and you’d like to be there within 4 years. So you’re really needing 3.

So in the next 4 years, who are you adding if your the PAC?

Due to the MW teams intentions to sign a GOR any team in our league is just gonna get WAY more expensive to add. The AAC ain’t no dummies either and they’re already working on solidifying their membership. Sure, you could take another run at them with a better offer, but it smells like another $50 million check you’re gonna have to write.

Then you have the fact that MORE realignment stuff is gonna happen and the Big 10 and the SEC are already talking… honestly nobody’s making many moves until they know what the really big dogs are doing.

I suspect that the ACC and the Big 12 are gonna be looking for teams REAL soon. Your teams are kinda screwed based on the agreements they’ve signed. UNLV left itself an out and got paid and the AAC 4 seem to be in good position should either the ACC or Big 12 come calling.

One unknown is that I don’t know what sort of outs Oregon St and Washington St left themselves, but there’s a real chance for comedy there in the next couple years.

So the PAC has painted themselves into a corner. The PAC 2 and the MW traitor 4 thought of themselves as so valuable that they didn’t want to share with the worst of the MW and now they’re gonna have to share with the worst of the rest.

Who exactly were the teams that were so horrible in the MW that you didn’t want to share? Let’s say it was as many as 4… Wyo, SJSU, UNR, and UNM? I didn’t include Hawaii because they’re not a full member anyway and doesn’t get paid as much.

So the math was that 4 out of potentially 14 teams were “dead weight”… 28.5%.

For now we’ll consider Utah St as not dead weight for them, even though they didn’t really want them, anyone else (unless they pull a coup somehow) is even more dead weight than anyone from the MW. So your “dead weight” as an 8 team conference is down to 12.5% IF you say that team is as valuable as anyone else in the MW, which you can’t.

At 9 teams with 2 bad teams 22%… 10 with 3 bad teams 30%… and again those are teams that are way worse than any of the original MW teams you didn’t want to share with… so the percentages are actually worse.

A merger is the way easier way out and offers the opportunity to create the best G5 conference. Create a fair conference that acknowledges its status as a G5, enact a conference scheduling format that ensures its champion a spot in the CFP 70% of the time (it can be done with good math and policy), and institute a fee structure for departing members that is a deterrent but not egregious. Though I’d have to give more thought to that last part.

Acknowledge who you are and set your teams up for the most success.

Or yeah… roll with what you can.
 
Texas State and UTEP wouldn’t be terrible. I’d be okay with those 2 adds. The problem is that only gets the MW to the minimum number required. I imagine they’ll want more schools.

After Texas State/UTEP the options you list are bad.

NMSU- If we get UTEP I see no reason to add them. Why add a 3rd school in that same area? UNM/UTEP are plenty in a poor, low population, non fertile recruiting area.

LaTech- No, we don’t want to anything to with Ruston Louisiana. I guess they were WAC members with most of the MWC 3.0 but I would hate this add.

SAC State- They need both a new football stadium and a new basketball arena. They publicly are now talking about being committed to FBS but I’d like to see some action first. At this point the Sacramento market doesn’t seem to care about them. For basketball they had 1 single game last year where they hit 1,000 tickets. They had games with 300 “tickets sold” where there might have been 50 people in the gym. We are losing 2 CA schools so I wouldn’t hate the idea. But they look like a long term project.
 
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Why go to 12 teams if the teams being brought in add nothing and only take a peice of the pie. I understand we have to add 1 school. 2 would be okay to get to 9 teams so we have 8 fb conf games. But anything above that, only if they bring something that adds to TV revenue amd increases each teams pay out
 
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Ok. Looking at the landscape and what's available would you be content if this was the new MWC lineup. I didn't include NIU because I don't see how it makes sense. (Be glad to have them. Just not sure it happens.


UNLV.
HAWAII
RENO
AFA
WYO
SJSU
UNM

TEXAS STATE
UTEP
NMSU
LA TECH
SAC STATE. (FCS)

SOLID

OR

HORSE POOP

Definitely worse than todays MWC, but what’s the alternative?
 
Isn’t it better for UNLV that MWC stays at 8 and we fill the rest of the schedule with quality OOC teams?
 
Ok. Looking at the landscape and what's available would you be content if this was the new MWC lineup. I didn't include NIU because I don't see how it makes sense. (Be glad to have them. Just not sure it happens.


UNLV.
HAWAII
RENO
AFA
WYO
SJSU
UNM

TEXAS STATE
UTEP
NMSU
LA TECH
SAC STATE. (FCS)

SOLID

OR

HORSE POOP
I would love that if all agreed to take just a tad over what they're already getting for their media share. Especially if it forces the Pac7 to fill their final spot with the likes of NAU.

Saw someone on X that showed a webmaster booboo on MWC site that already had Idaho added to the list of MW teams.
 
I think they (except UNLV) want at least 10 for stability reasons. The other 5 MW teams know they were on the verge of collapse before offering UNLV/AFA big cash to save this conference. I doubt they want to end up in a situation like this again even if it means diluting the media money right now.
 
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