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Huggins - I know he's a hall-of-fame coach, but we'd be calling for his head here. In his current stay at WV he's averaged 6th in the big 12. Never won the Conference. The last two years he's been 10th and 8th.

Even a great coach can do poorly. IMO, certain coaches are made for the times they were great. As the game changes few of them can keep up with it - or they can keep up but they refuse.
 
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Huggins - I know he's a hall-of-fame coach, but we'd be calling for his head here. In his current stay at WV he's averaged 6th in the big 12. Never won the Conference. The last two years he's been 10th and 8th.

Even a great coach can do poorly. IMO, certain coaches are made for the times they were great. As the game changes few of them can keep up with it - or they can keep up but they refuse.
He’s one of those old school coaches that are in the midst of the situation that isn’t in his wheelhouse. Kids are different, no, the adults are different … whatever you want to say. The situation is different. His way doesn’t work well anymore. You can’t be hard nose with most kids. You can’t tough love them. You can’t make them tougher. Because many will just wilt and leave. They can’t handle what players 20 and 30 years ago and it’s flipped to where players have the power (no sitting out).

I didn’t like their styles, per se, but guys like Bobby Knight, Huggy … “demanding” for more doesn’t work - I responded much better to that that type in my youth than the “have a lifesaver” after a loss type of coach. To each his own. But I do think the toughness to soft ratio dramatically flipped, slowly at first … then it just flipped. If kids were tough, you wouldn’t see transfers to the level you see it. In the vast majority of cases, I don’t like transfers (there are, however, “good” reasons to consider transferring, imo). But most of the reasons are more playing time. And to me that translates to, most of the time - I couldn’t beat the guy in front of me, I cannot deal with being a secondary player on a team … which is usually explained as … the coach isn’t fair. Coaches are going to put the players on the floor that give them the best chance at winning. Hey, sometimes they misjudge. But they’re the coach.

I think it used to be about “team” and it’s still that way for the program type of schools which are typically the most successful schools. Now it’s about me. I honestly don’t recall that being a significant issue growing up … and didn’t see it during that Tark era. Not outwardly anyway. Not near the extend we see today.
 
He’s one of those old school coaches that are in the midst of the situation that isn’t in his wheelhouse. Kids are different, no, the adults are different … whatever you want to say. The situation is different. His way doesn’t work well anymore. You can’t be hard nose with most kids. You can’t tough love them. You can’t make them tougher. Because many will just wilt and leave. They can’t handle what players 20 and 30 years ago and it’s flipped to where players have the power (no sitting out).

I didn’t like their styles, per se, but guys like Bobby Knight, Huggy … “demanding” for more doesn’t work - I responded much better to that that type in my youth than the “have a lifesaver” after a loss type of coach. To each his own. But I do think the toughness to soft ratio dramatically flipped, slowly at first … then it just flipped. If kids were tough, you wouldn’t see transfers to the level you see it. In the vast majority of cases, I don’t like transfers (there are, however, “good” reasons to consider transferring, imo). But most of the reasons are more playing time. And to me that translates to, most of the time - I couldn’t beat the guy in front of me, I cannot deal with being a secondary player on a team … which is usually explained as … the coach isn’t fair. Coaches are going to put the players on the floor that give them the best chance at winning. Hey, sometimes they misjudge. But they’re the coach.

I think it used to be about “team” and it’s still that way for the program type of schools which are typically the most successful schools. Now it’s about me. I honestly don’t recall that being a significant issue growing up … and didn’t see it during that Tark era. Not outwardly anyway. Not near the extend we see today.
We saw it happen with Howland, as well. Didn’t do anything much at an SEC school with money. He’d have been a disaster here. He had trouble keeping kids at UCLA when things were early stage “flipping”. He was a good coach, but he just played out his final years with zero significance. Really fizzled.

Not meaning it in a derogatory way, but these guys are all control freaks … and coaches have never had less control. Control freaks have that baked in, I don’t think they can easily change.
 
Yeah, I think secretly some WV fans would like him to retire as they're just not competitive enough anymore in the conference. They play such an interesting pressing style that keeps them in games, but against their conference opponents and coaches who know what they like to do, they're our matched often. And they still manage to make NCAA almost every year
 
I come from a family of WVU alumni and he is still loved since he’s a Mountaineer. He also has the luxury of people from that area living and dying with football, both WVU and the Steelers, and not hoops.

The fans aren’t happy with football but love Huggins like we loved Tark.
 
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Just looked up a key stat.
Gilbert was 338th in the nation in assist to turnover ratio with 1.13.

Harkless only a bit better at 322nd with 1.23

I will say I do not think it is completely their fault as the offense was weave, weave, weave and then try to go 1 vs 2 or 3. You will get a lot of turnovers with that offense.

I hope KK really thinks about his approach going into next year as this year's offense and defense were not good despite decent talent outside of the big guys.
 
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