Masked_rebel said:

Thats a huge gap of variables... Whose got higher expectations? Are you considering football related reasons or do you like sunshine and beaches? Are you stepping stone or long term?
0- Listing as option 0 because its a bit unfair to every other program- AFA- coaching at the academy has its limitations, but they love their football, they love the coach, and they have ability as a program to be something much better every year because everyone wants to play the academies.
1- if Im a stepping stone guy with chops and 0 expectations I take the UNM job. You throw a season in there at 6-6 and your off out of ABQ. 6-6 is a pretty low bar
2- If I'm thinking long term than I'm choosing Wyoming or Fresno (ouch hurts to say that because Fresno is...).
3- Probably similar jobs are CSU, SJSU, USU, UTEP considering your statement that pay is all the same
4- If I'm thinking coach football, maybe win a bowl game, but man San Diego has nice weather and beaches...
5- OSU if you want high expectations but future limitations and likely to be fired in 3 years even if you make a bowl game... they're a mdi-tier G5 program that hasn't realized it for a decade.
6- WSU- long and short term are balanced. Pullman is a great college town but you're probably looking to move away quickly or their expectations force you out sooner than you'd like.
XXXXXXXX. Reno- Pretty obvious its the worst job in America right?
Leaving Hawaii off as well.. I d consider them a different category of job and not exactly in the same class of evaluation.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Recency bias is also a thing and people go SDSU is trash based on a few down years.

They also were right there with Boise not so long ago.

I'm not suggesting the gap between PAC/MWC is this massive void but it does exist.

It's simple question.

All jobs between PAC and MWC outside of Boise State and UNLV are open. You have your proverbial pick of the litter as a HC. They all want your services. The pays the same etc.

Start listing what jobs you would take based on potential in order and see how long your list is before you name your first MWC school.

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Mojo702 said:

Idk about that. Liberty with its yearly weak ass schedule would have gotten into playoffs the last couple of years

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1Tripoda said:

If I had to chose, I chose the school with the finest and sluttiest cheerleaders to attract players. JMHO

Infrastructure wise, SDSU, AFA are the top. Excluding BSU and UNLV

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

OOC is a wash between between UNLV and Boise State. Both go 3-1...Vs similiar competition.


You cannot seriously think that when it comes time for the CFP committee rankings that UNLV is getting the nod over Boise playing the new MWC schedule vs the PAC schedule.

It's not just football. look at basketball and tell me the new MWC is more than a 2 bid league.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Recency bias is also a thing and people go SDSU is trash based on a few down years.

They also were right there with Boise not so long ago.

I'm not suggesting the gap between PAC/MWC is this massive void but it does exist.

It's simple question.

All jobs between PAC and MWC outside of Boise State and UNLV are open. You have your proverbial pick of the litter as a HC. They all want your services. The pays the same etc.

Start listing what jobs you would take based on potential in order and see how long your list is before you name your first MWC school.

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Masked_rebel said:

Mullen...
But no, he uses the position coaches. At Florida it was his line coach and his TE coach.

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Masked_rebel said:

This is where perception and reality mix...
CSU had 1 good season under McElwain, was then 7-6 3 straight seasons and has been a mid-tier to bottom tier MWC team since. Historically, We'd look at them and go "sure would be nice to go bowling" but its not like they're a powerhouse some people are giving them credit for. Frankly outside Boise, every other MWC program has a similar pedigree, with ours coming more recently. Most have 1 era where they win an average amount of games, make a few bowls, maybe have 1 good season and then drop off the map. Fresno has had a little bit more longer sustained success with solid hires after Hill, but SDSU was terrible outside a season with Brady Hoke and a handful of seasons under Rocky Long. Utah St has had really bad years and some decent seasons, and then in between a mixed bag of results. That's pretty much true of WSU and OSU as well.
So our success is recent yes, but we are making huge investments in the program to hopefully sustain the winning that our "flash in the pan" seasons created. These other schools were not able to do so and WSU will probably regress back into this similar cycle, especially with their former coach absolutely torching the programs perception since departing for WF... Outside maybe Utah St. hiring Bronco which might make Boise a little worried starting in 2026, every program across both conferences have failed to parlay their success into anything more than a few good seasons here and there in between some bad ones. And dont argue "attendance and markets.." there are definitely better places as college towns that encourages attendance even with bad teams than Las Vegas Im looking at records and perceptions. that's why the whole "Pac 12 is better then the MWC" argument is ridiculous because each side is projecting strength through mediocrity with 1 brand carrying the flag for each...
******basketball is a different conversation- not relevant to football conversation*****

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1Tripoda said:

Correa, from Gorman, been tutored by Woodard. Playing for home team. Where are you going, kid? You aint that good. Melvin Laster is still on the team. That kid is a monster at the LB. I cannot wait to see what Arnett can do with these guys.
My concern is the recruitment of the offensive players. Without an OC, who is the chief recruiter for the offense. Dont say it is Mullen.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Correct.

There have definitely been some guys especially Camac that sting and will be a challenge to replace. Others not so much.

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1Tripoda said:

Yeah, I saw some of those names and said, "Who's dat?"
Yes, Mani Powell and Catalon are big loss but they follow CBO from Ark.
Burrell is good but he's been replaced with that kid from Utah.
Chittenden and Nichols ....WTF? You are kickers. Where are you going?
Fisher Camac. Going to be stud. Big loss.
Grimes another big loss.
I hope Marsel McDuffie stays.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

How?

Look at current MWC/PAC lineup.

Exclude UNLV and Boise State.

Every single coaching job is available. Pays the same everywhere.

Start listing the most attractive jobs and where you think you would have the best opportunity to win immediately and tell me how far down the list you get before you reach a MWC school.

Second point if UNLV and Boise had similiar OOC schedules and the results were the same. And then both ran the table in their respective conferences there is no way in any universe UNLV gets the nod over Boise State.

I just can't see it.

I'd take

Fresno, SDSU, CSU, OSU, WSU jobs before any MWC job.

I have to get all the way down to USU job before I might consider taking a MWC job.

In all likelihood the PAC media deal will be 3-5 million more per year than the MWC deal (possibly more) They took some of the largest markets and historically best programs in the conference. That alone over a three to 5 year period gives them an edge over MWC schools going forward.

We've had recent success and we're pointed in a good direction, but let's not pretend SDSU and Fresno's runs are ancient history and they can't bounce back. USU was bowl eligible pretty regularly. CSU won a bunch of games this year. WSU was bowl eligible this year.

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1Tripoda said:

Yeah, I saw some of those names and said, "Who's dat?"

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Some of our portal departures may have been 'encouraged' to explore other options.

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LVRebel2000 said:

Yes, those 2 obviously, but also in the portal are McDaniel, Irvin, and Corey Thompson.

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LVRebel2000 said:

Yes, those 2 obviously, but also in the portal are McDaniel, Irvin, and Corey Thompson.

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Masked_rebel said:

by most of our Wrs you mean White and Dejesus because outside those 2 we didnt have any other real WRs, lol...
Again, some are concerned about "rebuilding" a team and thats fair. But its not like Mullen is a first time HC and doesnt have any connections, recruits, etc. We are going to see a lot of movement, but thats not a sky is falling moment. Especially becuase of the media hype Mullen has gotten since being hired. Hes been on the Bowl game coverage on National TV, on the Herd, etc. He's going to get talked about during the CFP because his friend Urban is on the big noon kickoff and theyll talk about UNLV when Boise is on..

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LVRebel2000 said:

at this point, it's TBD on what offensive players we're going to have. We're losing both QB's, most of the WR's, the TE, and most of the OL. So at this point, you build the offensive playbook on Jet Thomas it seems.

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j. spilotro said:

But we know how that would work with big schools. Cap reached, under the table for the other dudes. You’d be better off under the table anyway for tax purposes.

It’s too out of control. NCAA will play the don’t ask, don’t tell game with that.

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Rebel1986 said:

Outside of UNLV and BSU, there isn't a single team in the PAC or MWC that would move the needle at all. The only thing that will matter is the out of conference schedule. If UNLV can in the future have a schedule similar to this season, then I believe they will get the nod over BSU 9 out of 10 times in the future with a similar record. The only thing that moved the needle at all for BSU this season was the Oregon game and the two games verse UNLV.

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dcut03 said:

That was a bit of a joke. Saying that an I formation would be a radical formation these days.
He did say that 60% or his playbook will be the same. Or was it 80%. He will tailor the offense to the players we have so that's good, but i dont think he will do anything radically different

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WarthogRebel said:

In the interview where he mentioned a spread option he also said he'd consider an "I" formation. It all would depend on the players he had.

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dcut03 said:

Very true.
But a spread option O line may require different type of players

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