What do the ACC's new exit fees mean for the current negotiations with the PAC?

[Couev]

Looks like the ACC is playing extreme hardball to keep FSU, UNC, and Clemson home until the B1G contract is finalized. Will this have any bearing on the current mediation for the MWC exit/poaching fees?

Sorry I didn't link the actual article as it's paywalled.

 

[LVRebel2000]

It sounds like the big dropoff occurs the same year as the B1G contract is ready to be renewed around 2030. At that time it will only be around $70 million to exit. I realize that's a lot, but it's only 1-2 years of annual payout.

 

[Couev]

Historically, those media contracts are negotiated prior to them expiring, the B1G media rights expire after the 2029/30 season.

Now the language on leaving has been a little more specific once I found the data published beyond the paywall. It's 200 million to depart this year, and that number goes down by 15 million per year until AFTER the 2029/30 season where it drops to 75 million.

Now, there's nothing posted about them agreeing to leave the conference before then and exiting only when the the big drop off happens and the B1G including those new markets in their negotiations though I'm sure there's language in there to protect against that specifically. It looks like they're just protecting themselves from B1G expansion based on media contracts--the B1G obviously can afford to help them by giving them smaller shares for a few years as well or just outright--and there's some allure to the likes of Florida State, NC, and Clemson.

I'm really curious how this will end up affecting the bottom line for the MWC/PAC negotiations if at all--because this is the opposite of what we've seen so far for negotiating lower costs to get out of conference affiliation.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

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Looks like the ACC is playing extreme hardball to keep FSU, UNC, and Clemson home until the B1G contract is finalized. Will this have any bearing on the current mediation for the MWC exit/poaching fees?

Sorry I didn't link the actual article as it's paywalled.

Who knows. This stuff makes my head spin.

I think ultimately it all comes down to media rights revenue.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Historically, those media contracts are negotiated prior to them expiring, the B1G media rights expire after the 2029/30 season.

Now the language on leaving has been a little more specific once I found the data published beyond the paywall. It's 200 million to depart this year, and that number goes down by 15 million per year until AFTER the 2029/30 season where it drops to 75 million.

Now, there's nothing posted about them agreeing to leave the conference before then and exiting only when the the big drop off happens and the B1G including those new markets in their negotiations though I'm sure there's language in there to protect against that specifically. It looks like they're just protecting themselves from B1G expansion based on media contracts--the B1G obviously can afford to help them by giving them smaller shares for a few years as well or just outright--and there's some allure to the likes of Florida State, NC, and Clemson.

I'm really curious how this will end up affecting the bottom line for the MWC/PAC negotiations if at all--because this is the opposite of what we've seen so far for negotiating lower costs to get out of conference affiliation.

Every conference has upper/mid/bottom tiers.

In the G5/G6 the top teams hold out hopes for Power conference invites. The mid/bottom schools don't want to see them leave because it likely impacts the media deal down the road. Maybe I'm understanding this wrong and my hypothesis here is nonsense but.

Are we seeing the mid/bottom tier teams voting to raise exit fees in an attempt to hold things together for their own benefit by holding top teams hostage?

I mean UNLV/Memphis/Tulane of the world would all bolt regardless of exit fees to a power conference.

But if you are the AAC/MAC/CUSA you don't want to see your top schools bolt to another 'Group of' conference.

(Not sure that made sense or not)

 

[Masked_rebel]

UNLV to B1G confirmed... ACC stays together, we become travel partners with USC and UCLA...

 

[Couev]

UNLV to B1G confirmed... ACC stays together, we become travel partners with USC and UCLA...

 

[bcvegaspt2]

I said that before and nobody believed me.

(I just want credit if it ever comes true… 30 years from now)

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

UNLV to B1G confirmed... ACC stays together, we become travel partners with USC and UCLA...

At this point I would be happy being Cal and Stanford's travel partner.

 

[SilverSpoon]

At this point I would be happy being Cal and Stanford's travel partner.

The more I look at the map and travel partners, the more sense the B12 makes (Even more so than the current MWC). ASU, UofA, and BYeew. These are all schools within driving distances. Each already has a large Las Vegas resident representation. The logistics and economics are right there.

I think Memphis and UNLV would be the next options and probably a coin toss decision at this point for this reason. A CFP invite this season would probably put us well in front of ANY and ALL options. It would be a super easy sell to the current B12 schools. If Boise were to take the CFP again, I still don't see their location and all of their many short comings getting them into anything other than a whore'ified version of a G5 like the PAC. Unless the B12 gets picked absolutely clean by the P2 super conference merger. SDSU was my only other worry, but their METRICS have taken a sh*t at the worst/best possible time.

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

The more I look at the map and travel partners, the more sense the B12 makes (Even more so than the current MWC). ASU, UofA, and BYeew. These are all schools within driving distances. Each already has a large Las Vegas resident representation. The logistics and economics are right there.

I think Memphis and UNLV would be the next options and probably a coin toss decision at this point for this reason. A CFP invite this season would probably put us well in front of ANY and ALL options. It would be a super easy sell to the current B12 schools. If Boise were to take the CFP again, I still don't see their location and all of their many short comings getting them into anything other than a whore'ified version of a G5 like the PAC. Unless the B12 gets picked absolutely clean by the P2 super conference merger. SDSU was my only other worry, but their METRICS have taken a sh*t at the worst/best possible time.

I would think we have advantages over Boise but if they go to the CFP again I could definitely see them getting picked simply because of their success. Plus they draw fans and attract as many TV eyeballs as us. We have other advantages though.

 

[Rebel1986]

I would think we have advantages over Boise but if they go to the CFP again I could definitely see them getting picked simply because of their success. Plus they draw fans and attract as many TV eyeballs as us. We have other advantages though.

No doubt the new mascot for SDSU will help out to sell their brand!

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

No doubt the new mascot for SDSU will help out to sell their brand!

2025: UNLV metrics > SDSU metrics

Welcome to reality

 

[Masked_rebel]

I would think we have advantages over Boise but if they go to the CFP again I could definitely see them getting picked simply because of their success. Plus they draw fans and attract as many TV eyeballs as us. We have other advantages though.

Boise made their own conference. Id be pissed if I was the Pac 12 and Boise walks out the door in 4 years... theyre really the only reason your conference exists.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Boise made their own conference. Id be pissed if I was the Pac 12 and Boise walks out the door in 4 years... theyre really the only reason your conference exists.

Maybe I'm reading to much into things but anybody find it odd that PAC hasn't announced Texas State and reportedly won't announce 8th member until mediia deal is finalized?

Why they said 'there's nobody left that would increase media payout' which means they must have a number of some kind right?.

Did Texas State make handshake agreement to taking a partial but want to see what final numbers look like before it's official?

Just seems odd you could pry USU immediately but Texas State is taking months...(Allegedly)

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Maybe I'm reading to much into things but anybody find it odd that PAC hasn't announced Texas State and reportedly won't announce 8th member until mediia deal is finalized?

Why they said 'there's nobody left that would increase media payout' which means they must have a number of some kind right?.

Did Texas State make handshake agreement to taking a partial but want to see what final numbers look like before it's official?

Just seems odd you could pry USU immediately but Texas State is taking months...(Allegedly)

I don't find it odd, I find it stupid. Face it, the Pac has boxed itself into a corner. Texas State, who I don't hate, is too damn far away, particularly since they have to be an all-sport member. No one out there is going to move the media needle. Including Memphis, Tulane, etc. So what is the Pac waiting for? Texas State is probably (and should be) demanding money. Full immediate shares, pay their buyout, whatever. Same with any others.

I've said this before - Let's say the Pac has a $10M/team media deal on the table. To increase that by $1M/team, the new school would need to be worth $18M. $11M for them and the extra M for the rest. Right?

Fire Teresa, go to the table for once and craft the reverse merger. Way better solution, even now.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I don't find it odd, I find it stupid. Face it, the Pac has boxed itself into a corner. Texas State, who I don't hate, is too damn far away, particularly since they have to be an all-sport member. No one out there is going to move the media needle. Including Memphis, Tulane, etc. So what is the Pac waiting for? Texas State is probably (and should be) demanding money. Full immediate shares, pay their buyout, whatever. Same with any others.

I've said this before - Let's say the Pac has a $10M/team media deal on the table. To increase that by $1M/team, the new school would need to be worth $18M. $11M for them and the extra M for the rest. Right?

Fire Teresa, go to the table for once and craft the reverse merger. Way better solution, even now.

I don't think this will happen and not suggesting it will. But.

SDSU AD a lot of appearances talking PAC stuff/future. Boise AD did a video. CSU/USU little blurbs here and there about it. It's very possible I missed it but I can't recall seeing anything from Fresno AD. If they have made some statements then ignore the following. But if anybody in the PAC (Fresno) gets cold feet or the money turns out to be less than what was needed and they break ranks, THE PAC falls apart before it even gets started.

I think PAC will end up 'fine' in relative terms, but adding Texas State was definitely not in the cards. This wasn't the pseudo Power conference they envisioned.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I don't think this will happen and not suggesting it will. But.

SDSU AD a lot of appearances talking PAC stuff/future. Boise AD did a video. CSU/USU little blurbs here and there about it. It's very possible I missed it but I can't recall seeing anything from Fresno AD. If they have made some statements then ignore the following. But if anybody in the PAC (Fresno) gets cold feet or the money turns out to be less than what was needed and they break ranks, THE PAC falls apart before it even gets started.

I think PAC will end up 'fine' in relative terms, but adding Texas State was definitely not in the cards. This wasn't the pseudo Power conference they envisioned.

Yeah. Trying to destroy the MW, then having to settle for a Sun Belt school is definitely not the best path to have gone down.

 

[Masked_rebel]

I don't find it odd, I find it stupid. Face it, the Pac has boxed itself into a corner. Texas State, who I don't hate, is too damn far away, particularly since they have to be an all-sport member. No one out there is going to move the media needle. Including Memphis, Tulane, etc. So what is the Pac waiting for? Texas State is probably (and should be) demanding money. Full immediate shares, pay their buyout, whatever. Same with any others.

I've said this before - Let's say the Pac has a $10M/team media deal on the table. To increase that by $1M/team, the new school would need to be worth $18M. $11M for them and the extra M for the rest. Right?

Fire Teresa, go to the table for once and craft the reverse merger. Way better solution, even now.

Those Pac 12 flights are gonna suck...

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Those Pac 12 flights are gonna suck...

At least 737's can now land at the Pullman Airport. Less than 10 minutes to campus and all the fields/courts and stadiums. Commercial flights for the non-rev sports aren't that pretty though. First stop Seattle.