There was some recent internet chatter on the G5-PAC kicking tires on the NMSU as its 8th football member. Now this from the NIU AD! If true MWC AD GN completely out maneuvered the G5-PAC. But the metrics and more revenue!
What’s up with the G5-PAC?
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Yeah, I posted that Matt Baker shyt two days ago.
Now if the the pac-o-worms bring in NMSU I will laugh my ass off. Their media revenue hopes and dreams can be kissed goodbye.
Now if the the pac-o-worms bring in NMSU I will laugh my ass off. Their media revenue hopes and dreams can be kissed goodbye.
😝 Sorry I missed it. But remember OSU and WSU were part of the same leadership that said no to Texas and Oklahoma! Also, both Hawaii and possibly UTEP said no to the G5-PAC.
Yes, UTEP chose the MWC over the G5-PAC and they lay out the total incompetence of the PAC leadership over the years and how Gloria N is completely outmaneuvering the G5-PAC. The Monty Show has a nice take on the MWC v G5-PAC.
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This is how I have felt the entire time! I feel like as each month passes, the amount the PAC will get will continue to drop.
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Really glad you brought that up. I remember when the Pac2 and MWC were discussing the Scheduling Agreement and both the UNM President and Gloria were giving presentations to both WSU and OSU to discuss a Merger. The OSU President was praising Gloria and complimenting her on a great presentation the UNM President and Gloria provided them. Then we move on to the Scheduling Agreement and it gets signed. After that it leads us to where the Pac2, primarily the OSU President because the WSU President is on his way out, where she imo stabs Gloria in the back and works behind the scene to steal MWC schools.
Bad Karma will only come out of this for that OSU snake. Gloria has worked her ass off and has done an incredible job of keeping the MWC together. We may not be where we wanted but at least she is a worthy MW commissioner. We are lucky to have her.
I'll have to watch the video tomorrow morning. Looking forward to watching it. Thanks.
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Good video. The only negative is I get a feeling they look at UNLV as the poor step-child to Fresno State, BSU, SDSU, etc.... It is almost like they haven't seen the changes over the last 3-5 years, and specifically the changes over the last two seasons. I personally believe UNLV now has more value that any of those schools as listed above.
But they were positive on LV and I would anticipate today they would have a better take on UNLV.
pac7 was screwed the moment the Memphis AD publicly said their offer was shit.
On the LV media market yes, on the team not so much. I do think there are several key points that show this podcast is somewhat out of date and most likely broadcast 3 or more months ago. I think this was early enough that UNLV didn't have a second great year to point out, it was prior to Hawaii obtaining a full membership (in fact they pointed out that Hawaii was going to stay football only), it is also prior to Texas State not going in the direction of the MWC. If you add in the great year UNLV had, and the home run hire for the new coach, I think a new podcast would be much more positive in regards to UNLV.
Add that to thinking that UNLV was irrelevant. Maybe they should have waited to see how the second UNLV season would go before deciding that the first year under Odom was an aberration!
PAC will likely add Texas State or North Texas.
Maybe NMSU.
All would be major disappointment from the original Memphis/Tulane plan.
That said they will still land at a higher media deal than MWC. How much more is the question.
Maybe NMSU.
All would be major disappointment from the original Memphis/Tulane plan.
That said they will still land at a higher media deal than MWC. How much more is the question.
Please let it be NMSU.
I feel like the other two are kind of like “whatever”…
NMSU though? Yeah, that’s a well known piece of crap that all us haters can get behind.
I feel both
I agree and I would expect they would point out UNLV’s back to back successful seasons and maybe the $3 mill viewers for the MWC championship game. Because they did point out what matters is current success.
They could still legitly still poach Hawaii and Reno and call it a day. That’s what I would do if I was Pac leftover commish..
Hate to say it, but I dont think I'd want hawaii. It just adds too much expense. If I'm pac, I go for unlv and Reno for sure. The last addition? Wyoming, afa, unm, or hawaii.... grab afa if you can. If not, I'd say wyoming honestly, since you already have csu and they are like an hour drive apart.
That's if the existing bylaws allow for departing schools to vote, which I assume it does not.
Pac will likely crumble after the traitors see the real numbers vs the numbers they were promised and Boise & SDSU come crawling back again
Don't know that I disagree with you at all.......
How much higher would the media deal be for MW if the traitors returned. OSU & WSU are worthless when they arent playing USC, UCLA, ARIZONA, Utah etc. they will slide into mediocrity.
Honestly, I don't think our deal gets that much better with them back. We'd be looking at a factor of hundreds of thousands of difference to the pay out per school. OSU and WSU do have value. Yes, their numbers were inflated by the rest of the former pack. But they wouldn't subtract from our media value.
I am not so sure I would agree so much with the value of OSU and WSU, they appear to quickly be going down hill, and my expectation they would be a middle of the pack basketball and football program in the MWC in a couple of years.
I don't know...
OSU and WSU did better TV numbers than majority of the MWC.
Had there been a reverse merger I think 7/8 mill was on the table probably.
Great for rest of conference as it would have been a bump. Bad for OSU/WSU because both are use to over 20 million per. Not so Bueno for Boise State who would be breaking even with the sweetheart deal they got.
The pac media deal looks like it will be announced end of March. Goes with what The Big Mountain (TBM) is saying that TX ST will also be announced end of March. Additional expansions to follow.
SDSU athletic director JD Wicker: Pac-12 will have TV deal secured by end of March; Expansion comes next
According to San Diego State athletic director JD Wicker, the Pac-12 is getting close to securing a media deal and adding an eighth football-playing member. Wh
www.si.com
I dont think anybody is debating OSU's drawing power.
Now do the rest of the new PAC.
USU is third in their own state and not by a little bit. Way way behind Utah and BYU.
SDSU doesn't do well considering size of San Diego market.
Boise does well based on opponent but is a smaller market.
Fresno home attendance is fantastic. But not a huge tv draw.
CSU does ok numbers but is second fiddle to CU in terms of viewership.
The gist of it all. Nobody in either the PAC or MWC do particularly greatTv numbers in the grand scheme of things. If OSU or WSU did big enough TV numbers they would have gotten invites to the Big12 or Big10 like the rest of the PAC.
Even the ACC valued Stanford and Cal more than WSU and OSU.
This whole realingment thing is a titanic money burning endeavor to some degree.
New PAC will get a solid media deal vs other G6 conferences.
But just like the rest of the G6 they are fighting for the same P4 scraps and one seat at the CFP table.
Reality of it all PAC/MWC/AAC/MAC/SUN BELT/CUSA will all be sitting there every weekend hoping the top teams in each conference lose so they can get into the CFP.
Because the PAC will have more assets from media deal they get a leg up. But big picture, their competing for same spot with 5 other conferences. P4 aren't adding any extra auto bids.
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OSU does draw viewership, but I’d be careful of claiming they are a lot higher than the MW. CBS doesn’t publish their viewing numbers. This article counts games with no published numbers as 0.
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These numbers are a bit skewed since some games are counted as "zero" that shouldn't be, and streamed games are thrown out.
I don't think the PAC 2 had any streamed games (not sure about that) with all games on the CW that weren't picked up by others for road games.
the ACC took Stanford and Cal for free. As we know, the PAC 2 teams could not afford that. So it's not like the ACC offered them 30 mil a year. So they aren't the greatest example since they agreed to terms very few teams would do.
That PAC 10 without the SoCal teams were offered 30 mil per school from ESPN. Most of the teams left for contracts worth about that much( except the NoCal schools of course). For sure the PAC is worth less than the other 10 teams but how much less. Even 10 mil each is 26% of the others, and math wise that doesn't make much sense. I think most here are significantly undervaluing the PAC 2. Even if they are worth 20 mil a piece, they may not be worth it for the Big 12, plus the travel would be tough for the Big 12. The 4 corners schools are a little easier for most.
When comparing like for like (Games on the same channels)...I said WSU / OSU did good numbers. Nobody in the MWC does particularly media moving numbers neither do any of the departing MWC schools.
So yes in comparison to MWC schools, OSU/WSU do solid numbers.
Obviously they don't add enough value for actual power conferences or they wouldn't have been left behind.
ACC/BIG10/BIG12 all could have invited OSU/WSU and chose not too.
Simple question. Why?
ACC added G5 SMU instead. They took Cal/Stanford instead.
BIG12 to UofA and ASU instead.
PAC will get about 10 million per school.
And OSU/WSU and their war chest will be heavily taxed because they will be operating on half of their previous media budgets and both carry massive debt. Especially WSU.
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Cal Stanford and SMU left for free. For free! With no promise of anything in the future. There aren't many schools that would agree to that. OSU and WAZZU could not afford to do that.
If the PAC 10 without USC and UCLA is worth 30 mil per school. 6 of the teams left are getting 30 mil now, 2 left for free, how far can it drop in terms of media value for that to make sense? It ain't 5 mil, and 10 mil is low.
They could be easily worth 15 or 20 individually, but still not be worth it to those other conference to invite them.
The idea that they are worth the 3.6 that the MW teams are now just doesn't make mathematical sense. I also think there is a pretty big delta in individual valuation within the MW. Which is why they didn't merge to begin with.
They are being selective. They HAVE to add one more, and it looks to be Tx state. I don't think they are adding teams that drop value further, it goes against everything they have done so far.
The MW has no problem bloating the conference with teams that have low current value, I don't like it, but that is Gloria's approach. I think GCU has some potential, and they have at least been decent in basketball. UCD low current and potential in my eyes, but at least you make an argument for potential. I think UTEP was the best add by far, and they have low current value.
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