MWC & PAC Mediation Discussion for Poaching & Exit Fees

[Bullmastiff 1]

Make a run at them how? We already offered them full membership and to help with their exit fees. What more are we gonna offer? And for what? A program with 0 history... just because the Pac wants them? Why not Tarleton St.

Argument for TX State would be they are already in FBS and investing heavily recently. Big school as well. I think 7th largest in Texas? Have been turning football around.

Tarleton has upside but behind Texas State right now in my opinion.

I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but I'd make a substantial wager NDSU is added this year.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I’m good with this too!

MWC doesn't 'have' to add. With NIU for Football we are at 9 so scheduling is a lot easier 5 OOC games would be a pain in the ass. So that's a positive.

Outside of UNLV there really isn't any buzz around what's left.

I think Gloria adds. She's going to be limited, with what she can attract. MWC has money coming since they are withholding the media shares, basketball units and bowl payouts of the exiting members for last season and upcoming season. Not sure what will come out if mediation so don't want to assume a number.

The following are what I think are probably within MWC price range. Who and how many would you add? (A few of these Im not sure even want to move up or not)

NDSU
South Dakota State
Montana
Montana State
Sac State
Tarleton
Sam Houston State
NMSU
Toledo (Football Only)

I think its pretty slim pickings though. Not sure any help a media deal much. Maybe Sac State because of market size. NDSU wouldn't help but probably doesn't hurt it much either.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Argument for TX State would be they are already in FBS and investing heavily recently. Big school as well. I think 7th largest in Texas? Have been turning football around.

Tarleton has upside but behind Texas State right now in my opinion.

I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but I'd make a substantial wager NDSU is added this year.

I have no idea why NDSU would want to join the MW. Shit, do they even have to fly to play their current league opponents? FB sells out every game (I presume), they are always in the FCS playoffs, etc. etc. Why in Gawd's name would they go anywhere in any sport?

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I have no idea why NDSU would want to join the MW. Shit, do they even have to fly to play their current league opponents? FB sells out every game (I presume), they are always in the FCS playoffs, etc. etc. Why in Gawd's name would they go anywhere in any sport?

Because they've achieved everything possible at the FCS level.

They would double or triple their media money.

Considering the uncertainty with realingment there's a very real possibility that we end up with a definitive 3 tiers of football in the next few years. We kinda have it now P4 G6 FCS bit if a super league is formed those gaps get even wider.

Maybe they're happy staying FCS but their fan base has said a certain amount of apathy has set in. Been there done that.

I really think they join MWC some time this year after mediation is done.

 

[Gator 82]

MWC doesn't 'have' to add. With NIU for Football we are at 9 so scheduling is a lot easier 5 OOC games would be a pain in the ass. So that's a positive.

Outside of UNLV there really isn't any buzz around what's left.

I think Gloria adds. She's going to be limited, with what she can attract. MWC has money coming since they are withholding the media shares, basketball units and bowl payouts of the exiting members for last season and upcoming season. Not sure what will come out if mediation so don't want to assume a number.

The following are what I think are probably within MWC price range. Who and how many would you add? (A few of these Im not sure even want to move up or not)

NDSU
South Dakota State
Montana
Montana State
Sac State
Tarleton
Sam Houston State
NMSU
Toledo (Football Only)

I think its pretty slim pickings though. Not sure any help a media deal much. Maybe Sac State because of market size. NDSU wouldn't help but probably doesn't hurt it much either.

I’ve always liked the Dakota’s and Montana’s

 

[bcvegaspt2]

Toledo would be a good football only add. Brings more of that region and time zone to the conference.

Give me their number and I’ll make the call. I’m tired of all of this uncertainty.

 

[Rebel1986]

Toledo would be a good football only add. Brings more of that region and time zone to the conference.

Give me their number and I’ll make the call. I’m tired of all of this uncertainty.

Toledo would have been a better pick than NIU, but I think Toledo turned down the offer from the MWC.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Toledo would have been a better pick than NIU, but I think Toledo turned down the offer from the MWC.

Initial offer yeah. They could revisit it down the road. See if the move ends up being financially viable for NIU.

 

[Masked_rebel]

We dont need to add anyone... it doesn't matter. It actually would hurt revenue.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

We dont need to add anyone... it doesn't matter. It actually would hurt revenue.

This could be true.

But if you believe UNLV is BIG12 bound then Gloria likely does as well. And if UNLV goes AFA is likely right behind them to the AAC the minute the GOR runs out.

She she may want to be proactive to bolster ranks.

I keep seeing that anybody we add hurts revenue. Im not sure thats 100% true. Total numbers are hard to find out.

But.

NDSU's regular season game vs South Dakota State drew more viewers than the vast majority of games featuring like MWC match ups. It was posted here before. Im not talking about UNM or WYO playing P4 schools where numbers get skewed. But games like Reno vs Wyo or future matchups like Utep vs SJSU.

UNM does horrible numbers unless playing a solid OOC opponent. SJSU TV numbers are awful especially considering market size.

You think NDSU can't draw as many eye balls as either of them?

I get NDSU is a smallish market but you would own that market. Same could be said of the Montana schools.

I have next to no faith in UNM investing in football. Reno is struggling to right the ship. Wyoming is a similiar market to NDSU.

I'll wager you $100 Rebel Net bucks NDSU joins the MWC this year or by this time next year.

 

[Pistol Pete 1]

Rebel net bucks. Are they good everywhere?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Because they've achieved everything possible at the FCS level.

They would double or triple their media money.

Considering the uncertainty with realingment there's a very real possibility that we end up with a definitive 3 tiers of football in the next few years. We kinda have it now P4 G6 FCS bit if a super league is formed those gaps get even wider.

Maybe they're happy staying FCS but their fan base has said a certain amount of apathy has set in. Been there done that.

I really think they join MWC some time this year after mediation is done.

Ok, so going from a powerhouse in FCS to a middle of the road G6 team equates to an upgrade?
And do they need more media money? Or are they doing just fine where they are?
I watched Idaho bolt to D-1, then founder and go back to the Big Sky where they belong. Although the bastards did beat my hapless Cougs in 1999 and 2000. In our stadium, whcich they actually played in for a couple of years because of then-NCAA attendance/capacity rules.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Ok, so going from a powerhouse in FCS to a middle of the road G6 team equates to an upgrade?
And do they need more media money? Or are they doing just fine where they are?
I watched Idaho bolt to D-1, then founder and go back to the Big Sky where they belong. Although the bastards did beat my hapless Cougs in 1999 and 2000. In our stadium, whcich they actually played in for a couple of years because of then-NCAA attendance/capacity rules.

NDSU is better than Idaho was don't you think..? Like miles apart.

Money..MWC media money will be more than NDSU gets now by a significant amount. NDSU has solid booster support. Why did the Idaho coach leave his job for UNM? Why'd your new coach jump up? Could have stayed at the FCS level and competed for titles every year.

By that logic why would anybody leave the MWC for the superior PAC just to get their teeth kicked in? Somebody has to be the bottom feeders right? Who's it going to be? USU?SDSU?

NDSU probably feels like they can compete at the FBS level. And with the added scholarships they be able to bolster their depth to do that.

NDSU hung with CU at CU. They can hang in the new MWC. You think UNM worries them?

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Rebel net bucks. Are they good everywhere?

They aren't even good here...

 

[Rebel1986]

Rebel net bucks. Are they good everywhere?

Rebel net or Nut?

 

[oneepstein]

That's July 1 next year, isnt it? Nothing matters in terms of the Pac 12 member count until July 1, 2026. Thats when their 2 year grace period ends.

More likely than not that the closer to that date it gets, the more expensive it because.

TBH if Texas State is smart, they hold for a full share. If PAC passes on them because they dont want give a full share, its gonna look pretty bad for the PAC when its NMSU. One of the most dysfunctional Departments in D1.

They need one more by July 1, 2026, but the school joining would also have to give notice of at least a year or pay a pretty heavy price Id imagine.