WE HAVE A CONFERENCE NOW...

[dcut03]

I think we quickly formed a new plan...
We were probably half a day away from committing to the Pac 12. Giving our administration entirely too much credit, but they decided to push pause, and go "what will best suit UNLV in the next 5 years to join a P4"...
Then we called Gloria and said we were willing to stay but we needed a higher percentage payout than the other schools and we wanted a higher signing bonus to be distributed. That plan gave us the best competitive advantage to win the conference year in and year out building the brand in Las Vegas.
now you could argue that plan sucks, wed rather play Boise and WSU every year, but we arent, but we are going to have a real financial advantage over our conference peers and that hasnt been the case.

I was speaking of the MW when I said "we".
I agree our plan was more strategic. It is risky, and unfortunately will likely bite us in the ass down the road. But it does leave a very important door open.
Who knows if the Big 12 plan fails, we could join the PAC in 7 years. Who knows?

 

[dcut03]

There was a master plan in place. The plan by the PAC2 was to raid and blow up the MWC, instead of a reverse merger. They failed! The MWC is still intact. Also, the PAC was clearly outmaneuvered and who else is available? Sac State or Tx State?

ugggh...
They did raid and blow up the MWC. That didn't change.

We are still a conference, and I don't think that was their primary goal in fully causing the MW to collapse. I'm sure that would have liked to do that, it could have waived fees, but I doubt they really thought that would work.

They still have our 4 best markets. The PAC teams will make more per year than they would have with a merger. Did they have to spend too much up front to do so? Likely yes, but those fees are far from finalized. And then eventually they will break even, whether that takes a few years or a few decades.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

Speaking of our conference I just saw this at themw.com welcoming Hawaii as a full member:

 

[RebelScrub]

Utep is such a shitty add..

Could be adding GCU and probably the Pac 10 adds it..

So f’n dumb

 

[1Tripoda]

ugggh...
They did raid and blow up the MWC. That didn't change.

We are still a conference, and I don't think that was their primary goal in fully causing the MW to collapse. I'm sure that would have liked to do that, it could have waived fees, but I doubt they really thought that would work.

They still have our 4 best markets. The PAC teams will make more per year than they would have with a merger. Did they have to spend too much up front to do so? Likely yes, but those fees are far from finalized. And then eventually they will break even, whether that takes a few years or a few decades.

You better believe it that was the plan. They, PAC, almost successful too if UNLV and AFA said yes. The MWC would have never recover.
If the MWC blew up there would be no exit fee or poaching fees to pay from the PAC and the Traitor Fours. This whole process was lead by BSU. That game against BSU is vitally important. No mercy.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Utep is such a shitty add..

Could be adding GCU and probably the Pac 10 adds it..

So f’n dumb

It's a metro area population of nearly 1 million people. No UTEP isn't great but who else are you going to grab. AAC schools are off the table. Sun Belt are mostly East and without travel partners aren't an option.

It was a necessary add.

I 100% would circle back to Texas State again and look at Sam Houston as potential targets.

 

[dcut03]

You better believe it that was the plan. They, PAC, almost successful too if UNLV and AFA said yes. The MWC would have never recover.
If the MWC blew up there would be no exit fee or poaching fees to pay from the PAC and the Traitor Fours. This whole process was lead by BSU. That game against BSU is vitally important. No mercy.

That was a hopefully result of their moves.
If UNLV and AFA said yes. It wouldn't have changed much. The MW would have more fees coming their way and they add NMSU or some other team to get their 8.
The PAC teams know better than anyone what you can do with a bag full of cash after being ransacked. They are the blue print.
You honestly don't think they thought the MW and Gloria who has been stubborn and playing hardball with them with merger and scheduling agreement talks would just give up, do you?

 

[TimothyC3]

One other point. I don’t get the interest in GCU. New Mexico State dominated them in hoops until they moved to CUSA from the WAC with a 14-5 conference record. In the series NMSU was 9-0 at home and 6-5 at GCU. I would take NMSU any day over GCU.

 

[1Tripoda]

That was a hopefully result of their moves.
If UNLV and AFA said yes. It wouldn't have changed much. The MW would have more fees coming their way and they add NMSU or some other team to get their 8.
The PAC teams know better than anyone what you can do with a bag full of cash after being ransacked. They are the blue print.
You honestly don't think they thought the MW and Gloria who has been stubborn and playing hardball with them with merger and scheduling agreement talks would just give up, do you?

Do you think it was Gloria who hold up the merger? From what I have heard it was OSU and WSU who did not want to merge. BSU saw the opportunity and pull SDSU along.

Edit: there were a lot of assets and equipments that the old PAC12 left behind and the PAC2 did not to share. And the PAC2 did. not want some of the MWC to come along. Gloria want the whole conference to merge.

 

[1Tripoda]

One other point. I don’t get the interest in GCU. New Mexico State dominated them in hoops until they moved to CUSA from the WAC with a 14-5 conference record. In the series NMSU was 9-0 at home and 6-5 at GCU. I would take NMSU any day over GCU.

Regional proximity to UTEP and UNM. GCU is a young school with unlimited resources.

 

[dcut03]

One other point. I don’t get the interest in GCU. New Mexico State dominated them in hoops until they moved to CUSA from the WAC with a 14-5 conference record. In the series NMSU was 9-0 at home and 6-5 at GCU. I would take NMSU any day over GCU.

GCU has been getting steadily better over the past few years. They have developed a unique home court advantage and atmosphere.
They did win a game in the tourney last year as well. They are in a fantastic market and have tons of money and potential.
NMSU shares the extended market of UTEP. We have UNM already and they add little in terms of extra eyeballs in their relatively small state.
GCU would be a bball only member with a reduced share in media rights. Nmsu would hsve to be a full member

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

One other point. I don’t get the interest in GCU. New Mexico State dominated them in hoops until they moved to CUSA from the WAC with a 14-5 conference record. In the series NMSU was 9-0 at home and 6-5 at GCU. I would take NMSU any day over GCU.

There was a master plan in place. The plan by the PAC2 was to raid and blow up the MWC, instead of a reverse merger. They failed! The MWC is still intact. Also, the PAC was clearly outmaneuvered and who else is available? Sac State or Tx State?

I think the initial 10-15 million media package deal the PAC floated was tiered.

15 million - Original 6 plus Memphis/Tulane/USF/UTSA

That was dream scenario.

There were likely a few others until they got to doomsday scenario which was UNLV and USU.

that was the 10 million.

When UNLV said no, everything got derailed.

If they knew they had 10 million or more in a media deal regardless of who the 8th/9th/10th teams were they could have easily added UTEP or NMSU or Texas State and been done with it.

But they are probably staring at a media deal around 8 million with current configuration which would only be a slight bump from what Boise State is getting now and significantly less than WSU and OSU were getting in old PAC deal.

They had plans in place but definitely never thought it would get to this point.

Adding Gonzaga as full member means one more mouth to feed.

So even if they get Memphis and the package was 100 million you are splitting it 9 ways instead of 8.

As for adding NMSU. There's really no point in adding them now after landing UTEP. Las Cruces is a small market and only 50 miles from El Paso. It's not technically the same market but it may as well be.

Not saying UTEP was a better add but 700k potential viewers vs 100k is massive.

I think there are plenty of better options than NMSU at this point. I'm not bashing NMSU just saying with UNM and UTEP they become redundant. I think you'd rather add timezones.

Say MWC adds Toledo and NIU..I sure as crap would be also contacting WKU, Liberty Sam Houston and Texas State (again). WKU/Toledo and NIU would give Liberty travel partners for football. I'd even consider Liberty as Football only as well. WKU has been pretty solid in football and Sam Houston is playing well after moving up from FCS.

Doesn't do much for basketball but it increases footprint for football and adds Liberty who has some name value the last few years.

 

[RebelSoldat]

It's funny how the MWC was formed partly as a reaction to the wide geographical nature of the old WAC and now we are kinda back at square one again....

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

One other point. I don’t get the interest in GCU. New Mexico State dominated them in hoops until they moved to CUSA from the WAC with a 14-5 conference record. In the series NMSU was 9-0 at home and 6-5 at GCU. I would take NMSU any day over GCU.

NMSU brings nothing to the table in terms of population and they are two teams headed in opposite directions. NMSU has made the tourney once in the last five years and they have been putrid the last two years. GCU on the other hand has made the tourney 3 of the last 5 years (3 of 4) with a win last season.

 

[WarthogRebel]

I think the initial 10-15 million media package deal the PAC floated was tiered.

15 million - Original 6 plus Memphis/Tulane/USF/UTSA

That was dream scenario.

There were likely a few others until they got to doomsday scenario which was UNLV and USU.

that was the 10 million.

When UNLV said no, everything got derailed.

If they knew they had 10 million or more in a media deal regardless of who the 8th/9th/10th teams were they could have easily added UTEP or NMSU or Texas State and been done with it.

But they are probably staring at a media deal around 8 million with current configuration which would only be a slight bump from what Boise State is getting now and significantly less than WSU and OSU were getting in old PAC deal.

They had plans in place but definitely never thought it would get to this point.

Adding Gonzaga as full member means one more mouth to feed.

So even if they get Memphis and the package was 100 million you are splitting it 9 ways instead of 8.

As for adding NMSU. There's really no point in adding them now after landing UTEP. Las Cruces is a small market and only 50 miles from El Paso. It's not technically the same market but it may as well be.

Not saying UTEP was a better add but 700k potential viewers vs 100k is massive.

I think there are plenty of better options than NMSU at this point. I'm not bashing NMSU just saying with UNM and UTEP they become redundant. I think you'd rather add timezones.

Say MWC adds Toledo and NIU..I sure as crap would be also contacting WKU, Liberty Sam Houston and Texas State (again). WKU/Toledo and NIU would give Liberty travel partners for football. I'd even consider Liberty as Football only as well. WKU has been pretty solid in football and Sam Houston is playing well after moving up from FCS.

Doesn't do much for basketball but it increases footprint for football and adds Liberty who has some name value the last few years.

UTEP viewership 3,000,000 when you add Juarez.

 

[Rebel1986]

One other point. I don’t get the interest in GCU. New Mexico State dominated them in hoops until they moved to CUSA from the WAC with a 14-5 conference record. In the series NMSU was 9-0 at home and 6-5 at GCU. I would take NMSU any day over GCU.

The interest over Grand Canyon is over the last couple of years when they have really boosted up their entire athletic department as well as the fact that they have over 200,000 alumni, over 25,000 students on campus with another 100,000 internet students. They also have a total of 19 athletic teams.

The baseball team was 36-25 with wins over USC, Ohio State, BYU, Nebraska, Arizona State and Arizona. In the NCAA regionals they had wins over #15 Arizona and #25 Dallas Baptist. The MWC champion was Fresno State who went 33-29 and went 0-2 in the NCAA tournament.

The basketball team went 30-5 with wins over #25 SDSU during the regular season and a 75-66 win in the NCAA tournament against #15 ranked Saint Mary's. Boise State, CSU, New Mexico, and unr all went out either in the first four or the round of 64. Only SDSU, Utah State and Saint Mary's got out of the round of 64. Utah State lost by 39 in the round of 32, GCU lost by 12 to 4th seed Alabama. The only team to go forward to the round of 16 was the same SDSU that GCU easily beat during the regular season. While GCU is no Gonzaga in basketball, they would be in the top tier of the current MWC.

While fixing football is the most important part of the MWC rebuild, it is also important to bring in programs that can allow for other sports to thrive.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

UTEP viewership 3,000,000 when you add Juarez.

They start tapping into that Cartel NIL money watch out..

 

[Meister_Rebel]

They start tapping into that Cartel NIL money watch out..

Don't give those cartels any ideas into laundering money through NIL.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

NMSU brings nothing to the table in terms of population and they are two teams headed in opposite directions. NMSU has made the tourney once in the last five years and they have been putrid the last two years. GCU on the other hand has made the tourney 3 of the last 5 years (3 of 4) with a win last season.

I honestly feel bad for NMSU fans. They kinda see the writing on the wall and being stuck in CUSA. If this was just about performance and region, NMSU would be a no brainer over UTEP. But it boils down to media rights/viewership potential and El Paso at least triple the population of Las Cruces.

I'm actually excited at the possibility of Toledo and NIU joining FB only. I'd still kick tires on Sam Houston and Texas State (again).

Curious what the addition of Toledo and NIU would do for media deal.

 

[Rebel1986]

I honestly feel bad for NMSU fans. They kinda see the writing on the wall and being stuck in CUSA. If this was just about performance and region, NMSU would be a no brainer over UTEP. But it boils down to media rights/viewership potential and El Paso at least triple the population of Las Cruces.

I'm actually excited at the possibility of Toledo and NIU joining FB only. I'd still kick tires on Sam Houston and Texas State (again).

Curious what the addition of Toledo and NIU would do for media deal.

I there any news, or any real chance that they end up in the MWC for football only?

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I there any news, or any real chance that they end up in the MWC for football only?

Toledo and NIU?

Yeah Brett McMurphy reported MWC and Toledo are in talks as football only members. MAC media rights deal is 2.5 million per. So half of current MWC deal (And based on early reports next MWC deal could approach that.)

II think a lot will depend on a few things.

1- Do those schools have somewhere to put their other sports.

2- Is doubling media deal enough to move. I'm not sure it is unless they get a full share. Even then I don't know if it's enough with exit fees for them.

3- How much would Toledo and NIU add to current media deal?

4- Is this a move setting up something else? Hear me out here. If you add those two, could you then entice somebody like Liberty since they would now have 2 travel partners for football? AAC probably makes more sense for Liberty and they may want to see what happens with Memphis and Tulane. But I'd seriously take a look at them. Mentioned them before but I'd kick tires on Western KY as another travel partner...

If Gloria misses out there then Look at Sam Houston and Texas State (again).

Getting Hawaii done helps because MWC is a full conference and can present more accurate media package deals.

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

I honestly feel bad for NMSU fans. They kinda see the writing on the wall and being stuck in CUSA. If this was just about performance and region, NMSU would be a no brainer over UTEP. But it boils down to media rights/viewership potential and El Paso at least triple the population of Las Cruces.

I'm actually excited at the possibility of Toledo and NIU joining FB only. I'd still kick tires on Sam Houston and Texas State (again).

Curious what the addition of Toledo and NIU would do for media deal.

I am curious as well. Performance wise they are pretty good (better than Wyoming, AF and a few others as of late). I agree on Texas State and a partner school.

 

[bcvegaspt2]

While this hurts to admit, basketball barely matters in terms of relevance. Build the football brand first.

St Mary's, Grand Canyon, etc. don't help the MWC much. Yes, Gonzaga helps a conference (currently.. since Mark Few has built an empire there) but what about when Few retires? If they drop, which could/would happen, does the Pac Who have buyers remorse?

 

[Masked_rebel]

While this hurts to admit, basketball barely matters in terms of relevance. Build the football brand first.

St Mary's, Grand Canyon, etc. don't help the MWC much. Yes, Gonzaga helps a conference (currently.. since Mark Few has built an empire there) but what about when Few retires? If they drop, which could/would happen, does the Pac Who have buyers remorse?

If any of their marquee programs drop off they will be a very mediocre conference in all sports... what happens when Boise goes 7-5 or SDSU doesnt have a "great" season to balance out the effects of potentially bad basketball at CSU, Fresno, USU that is inevitable. While they were all the top tier teams in the MWC from a NCAA appearance standpoint, its not like they were super powers outside SDSU and even then, they showed alot of cracks that took the efforts of 1 player to hide. Being in the MWC gave enough cover to have a "down" season and still be relevant. and Im not saying the MWC wont have the same problem, but we arent out there talking metrics and how great our new conference is going to be.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I am curious as well. Performance wise they are pretty good (better than Wyoming, AF and a few others as of late). I agree on Texas State and a partner school.

Texas State and Sam Houston (All Sports)
NIU and Toledo (FB only)
Liberty and WKU all sports.

I know some folks prefer keeping conference smaller less mouths to feed and I get it. I think 9 or 10 makes most sense.

But I wonder what those additions would add to media deal. Liberty has some name value. Multiple timezones (TV) New recruiting pipeline. Two Texas markets.

 

[dcut03]

Do you think it was Gloria who hold up the merger? From what I have heard it was OSU and WSU who did not want to merge. BSU saw the opportunity and pull SDSU along.

Edit: there were a lot of assets and equipments that the old PAC12 left behind and the PAC2 did not to share. And the PAC2 did. not want some of the MWC to come along. Gloria want the whole conference to merge.

I don't think Gloria helped things.

I do think that the PAC originally though they were going to merge. There were several reports that they were meeting for this. This is when the scheduling agreement was made which definitely looked like they would merge. Why make that agreement if you think you will poach schools later?

Then things stalled.

The exact details on why things stalled, we probably will never know. But for sure it had something to do with money. Was it simply that the Pac 2 couldn't stomach the payouts of sharing with our bottom tier markets would bring them? Well, that was probably the biggest reason. But it is very possible that Gloria got greedy with the PAC. Perhaps since we were going to reverse merge, she wanted the new Pac teams (MW members) a share of their war chest from the the old PAC abandoners? Maybe a cut of the NCAAT credits that were earned with the previous teams? I wouldn't be suprised if this was a factor as well.

We knew that Gloria did not respect them. She probably thought she had all the power, especially after the poaching agreement. Which I understand, it does provide defense from being poached. We know that she didn't respect them when she tried to up the price for year 2 of the scheduling agreement. And if you look at the timeline, that seemed to be the straw that broke to camel's back. Very shortly after news broke that they weren't re-upping the second year of that agreement is when the announcement occurred.

 

[RebelinWA]

I think the initial 10-15 million media package deal the PAC floated was tiered.

15 million - Original 6 plus Memphis/Tulane/USF/UTSA

That was dream scenario.

There were likely a few others until they got to doomsday scenario which was UNLV and USU.

that was the 10 million.

When UNLV said no, everything got derailed.

If they knew they had 10 million or more in a media deal regardless of who the 8th/9th/10th teams were they could have easily added UTEP or NMSU or Texas State and been done with it.

But they are probably staring at a media deal around 8 million with current configuration which would only be a slight bump from what Boise State is getting now and significantly less than WSU and OSU were getting in old PAC deal.

They had plans in place but definitely never thought it would get to this point.

Adding Gonzaga as full member means one more mouth to feed.

So even if they get Memphis and the package was 100 million you are splitting it 9 ways instead of 8.

As for adding NMSU. There's really no point in adding them now after landing UTEP. Las Cruces is a small market and only 50 miles from El Paso. It's not technically the same market but it may as well be.

Not saying UTEP was a better add but 700k potential viewers vs 100k is massive.

I think there are plenty of better options than NMSU at this point. I'm not bashing NMSU just saying with UNM and UTEP they become redundant. I think you'd rather add timezones.

Say MWC adds Toledo and NIU..I sure as crap would be also contacting WKU, Liberty Sam Houston and Texas State (again). WKU/Toledo and NIU would give Liberty travel partners for football. I'd even consider Liberty as Football only as well. WKU has been pretty solid in football and Sam Houston is playing well after moving up from FCS.

Doesn't do much for basketball but it increases footprint for football and adds Liberty who has some name value the last few years.

To your point, OSU and WSU never really considered the merger. But both schools are deeply in debt, and are used to operating on a $21m per year deal. Even their best case scenario with the AAC schools and UNLV wouldn’t have gotten them back to $21m.

 

[Masked_rebel]

I don't think Gloria helped things.

I do think that the PAC originally though they were going to merge. There were several reports that they were meeting for this. This is when the scheduling agreement was made which definitely looked like they would merge. Why make that agreement if you think you will poach schools later?

Then things stalled.

The exact details on why things stalled, we probably will never know. But for sure it had something to do with money. Was it simply that the Pac 2 couldn't stomach the payouts of sharing with our bottom tier markets would bring them? Well, that was probably the biggest reason. But it is very possible that Gloria got greedy with the PAC. Perhaps since we were going to reverse merge, she wanted the new Pac teams (MW members) a share of their war chest from the the old PAC abandoners? Maybe a cut of the NCAAT credits that were earned with the previous teams? I wouldn't be suprised if this was a factor as well.

We knew that Gloria did not respect them. She probably thought she had all the power, especially after the poaching agreement. Which I understand, it does provide defense from being poached. We know that she didn't respect them when she tried to up the price for year 2 of the scheduling agreement. And if you look at the timeline, that seemed to be the straw that broke to camel's back. Very shortly after news broke that they weren't re-upping the second year of that agreement is when the announcement occurred.

I agree, she probably didnt help, but she also saw that the value wasnt in the Pac 2, it was in the MWC. That's why she wanted more for the scheduling agreement for year 2. I think the $$$ became a sticking point and she was trying to do what was best for her entire conference. We also dont know if the Pac 2 wanted to keep their own broadcast rights or something strange to have an increased revenue share etc.. What we do know is that the current Pac 12 commissioner wanted to make a name for herself and put together a deal she thought wouldve forced the MWC to crumble, it didnt.. cards didnt play out as she wanted, and now we have to mediocre cG5 conferences instead of 1 really good quasi- P5 conference.

 

[RebelinWA]

I agree, she probably didnt help, but she also saw that the value wasnt in the Pac 2, it was in the MWC. That's why she wanted more for the scheduling agreement for year 2. I think the $$$ became a sticking point and she was trying to do what was best for her entire conference. We also dont know if the Pac 2 wanted to keep their own broadcast rights or something strange to have an increased revenue share etc.. What we do know is that the current Pac 12 commissioner wanted to make a name for herself and put together a deal she thought wouldve forced the MWC to crumble, it didnt.. cards didnt play out as she wanted, and now we have to mediocre cG5 conferences instead of 1 really good quasi- P5 conference.

I still think our best case scenario, if we remain g5 is to merge. Merger will become more likely over time. We can do this the easy way, or the hard way.

The easy way is that everyone comes to peace and decides they’d rather build both of our leagues up to a G+ as one unit. No exit fees, bygones be bygones. Whole new leadership.

The hard way is we make sure there are no viable expansion options for the Pac. Either they all go independent and suffer, or they come back.

What are they going to do? Throw a bunch of money at Gonzaga to build a football program?

 

[reagan21]

CSN for golf and cross country only.

 

[Rosegreen1]

The bottom line is the pac2 got way too greedy and overplayed their hands. Paying full share to Gonzaga when football drives the bus was a stunner to me. Do you think a school like Memphis thinks they will be treated fairly or compensated in that conference? I don’t think so and Memphis has all the leverage.

It was not a real well thought out plan by the pac2, not so much Gloria masterminded a counter strike.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

I agree, she probably didnt help, but she also saw that the value wasnt in the Pac 2, it was in the MWC. That's why she wanted more for the scheduling agreement for year 2. I think the $$$ became a sticking point and she was trying to do what was best for her entire conference. We also dont know if the Pac 2 wanted to keep their own broadcast rights or something strange to have an increased revenue share etc.. What we do know is that the current Pac 12 commissioner wanted to make a name for herself and put together a deal she thought wouldve forced the MWC to crumble, it didnt.. cards didnt play out as she wanted, and now we have to mediocre cG5 conferences instead of 1 really good quasi- P5 conference.

I never saw it that we were looking for more money for the 2nd year of the scheduling agreement. The agreement was already written and signed for us to make that type of move. The Pac2 had to make the decision by September 1st if they wanted to continue with the 2nd year. What the Pac2 did was try to negotiate down the price prior to the September 1st date. That was all on Teresa Gould. When she came into the picture that is when everything started to fall apart. I don't know what legacy she is trying to make for herself but it will never achieve the money she was hoping for. She did all of this just to keep her job.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

The bottom line is the pac2 got way too greedy and overplayed their hands. Paying full share to Gonzaga when football drives the bus was a stunner to me. Do you think a school like Memphis thinks they will be treated fairly or compensated in that conference? I don’t think so and Memphis has all the leverage.

It was not a real well thought out plan by the pac2, not so much Gloria masterminded a counter strike.

I just don't see the return on investment with the Zags. 1. There is no way their media value is worth as much as one of their full football school members. 2. They get to keep 50% of their NCAA Tourney revenue so where does that help the conference. 3. The Zags will fall when Few is gone. Craziest move ever.

 

[dcut03]

I never saw it that we were looking for more money for the 2nd year of the scheduling agreement. The agreement was already written and signed for us to make that type of move. The Pac2 had to make the decision by September 1st if they wanted to continue with the 2nd year. What the Pac2 did was try to negotiate down the price prior to the September 1st date. That was all on Teresa Gould. When she came into the picture that is when everything started to fall apart. I don't know what legacy she is trying to make for herself but it will never achieve the money she was hoping for. She did all of this just to keep her job.

I can't find an article but I remember reading a few places that we asked to up the payout to about 1.5 mil per game. It was 1.13 for this season.

It seems like both commissioner did fully work together for the good of their conferences.

 

[dcut03]

I just don't see the return on investment with the Zags. 1. There is no way their media value is worth as much as one of their full football school members. 2. They get to keep 50% of their NCAA Tourney revenue so where does that help the conference. 3. The Zags will fall when Few is gone. Craziest move ever.

I can see that bringing on the Zags could open up some sort of agreement with ESPN that may not be there with the PAC already. At least for basketball. Just spitballing though.

It is possible that Gonzaga will have to share the additional revenue they get for their ESPN appearances or that it will open the door for some ESPN coverage with their league games?

 

[Masked_rebel]

I just don't see the return on investment with the Zags. 1. There is no way their media value is worth as much as one of their full football school members. 2. They get to keep 50% of their NCAA Tourney revenue so where does that help the conference. 3. The Zags will fall when Few is gone. Craziest move ever.

This is one of my points for why the new Pac 12 agreement once we read about it doesnt make a lot of sense unless your payout is 1.5-2x what the MWC was going to have. Boise got a sweetheart deal because realistically they're the only football program that is competing for that playoff spot and they get to keep revenue from that payout. Then you turn and look at basketball and both SDSU and Gonzaga got their sweetheart deals by keeping 50% of their credits. thats how they enticed them to jump ship, offering potential payouts that exceed conference opponents. Its like they collectively agreed to screw each other or at least place themselves at competitive disadvantages financially with the hopes that it would turn them into a P5 conference by name.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

This is one of my points for why the new Pac 12 agreement once we read about it doesnt make a lot of sense unless your payout is 1.5-2x what the MWC was going to have. Boise got a sweetheart deal because realistically they're the only football program that is competing for that playoff spot and they get to keep revenue from that payout. Then you turn and look at basketball and both SDSU and Gonzaga got their sweetheart deals by keeping 50% of their credits. thats how they enticed them to jump ship, offering potential payouts that exceed conference opponents. Its like they collectively agreed to screw each other or at least place themselves at competitive disadvantages financially with the hopes that it would turn them into a P5 conference by name.

If they can't entice Memphis and Tulane and possibly UTSA I can't see who they can add that they even sniff close to 12-15 million per school.

OSU and WSU both are use to operating on close to 20 million per.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

I can see that bringing on the Zags could open up some sort of agreement with ESPN that may not be there with the PAC already. At least for basketball. Just spitballing though.

It is possible that Gonzaga will have to share the additional revenue they get for their ESPN appearances or that it will open the door for some ESPN coverage with their league games?

If ESPN gets into the picture then CW might not want to pay as much to the Pac12. If I'm CW I want the basketball included in the media deal. I can't see CW wanting to pay $8 million per team without the basketball in the media package. The Pac12 might get their $8 million total per school combining CW and ESPN.

 

[dcut03]

If ESPN gets into the picture then CW might not want to pay as much to the Pac12. If I'm CW I want the basketball included in the media deal. I can't see CW wanting to pay $8 million per team without the basketball in the media package. The Pac12 might get their $8 million total per school combining CW and ESPN.

I get that. I'm not convinced that the CW is their only media partner, just part of it. I'm guessing a bigger partner is in the mix as well.
But being real, allowing ESPN to cover some games, especially if it is only basketball, will help the overall value of the the contract. As we have seen, ESPN gets the biggest numbers for these types of things. So by having a few big games on ESPN will help "sell" other games on the CW for instance

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I never saw it that we were looking for more money for the 2nd year of the scheduling agreement. The agreement was already written and signed for us to make that type of move. The Pac2 had to make the decision by September 1st if they wanted to continue with the 2nd year. What the Pac2 did was try to negotiate down the price prior to the September 1st date. That was all on Teresa Gould. When she came into the picture that is when everything started to fall apart. I don't know what legacy she is trying to make for herself but it will never achieve the money she was hoping for. She did all of this just to keep her job.

I just don't see the return on investment with the Zags. 1. There is no way their media value is worth as much as one of their full football school members. 2. They get to keep 50% of their NCAA Tourney revenue so where does that help the conference. 3. The Zags will fall when Few is gone. Craziest move ever.

Pac and Teresa - absolutely all she cared (cares) about is her job. Yet she is still being trumpeted among the Pac lemmings. The Memphis "deal" was a joke. Even if it happened. They are overrated IMHO. And it goes down from there.

Gonzaga - I hate F-ing Gonzaga. And if they are really going to get a full share with no FB program, AND get to keep half of their NCAA BB credits (other schools will now too but so what), AND of course keep all the money for their OOC games, then adding them was a fool's errand that the Pac will live to regret.