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UNLV Top 25 Ranking?

Bullmastiff 1 said:
I was pretty doubtful of any Big 12 chances

But there is enough smoke now I think it's about even money.

I could see Big12 add Uconn in the East to help Cincy/WVU and to some degree UCF with a travel partner. Plus add a massive markets for basketball.

Then out West add UNLV to help out ASU, UofA Utah and BYU with travel and adding another large market.

Add to that he'd be planting another flag in Big10 country (USC/UCLA) and PAC territory...
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I think it’s been UNLV’s actual goal, even against the P12 when the P12 was in tact. And I think UNLV will continue to pursue that avenue. But there are some significant road blocks within the conference that may make it too difficult. Hell, even in the watered down, weak P2 there were significant obstacles for UNLV to climb, member induced obstacles.

UNLV has enemies out there.
 
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reagan21 said:
In Utah's delusional minds they are Big10 bound and the BigXII was always a 10 minute parking spot until the invitation comes. We'd just slide into that Utah spot if that (never will) ever happens.
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I'm not sure we even need that to happen to be honest. Considering BIG12 lost their two biggest brands Yormark has done a very good job of acquiring inventory without diluting the product too much.

He's about acquiring big markets when he can. (Cincy/Ucf/Houston) There's a reason he didn't just scoop up OSU and WSU. Decent programs seemed an easy enough move. But I think he prefers adding the bigger markets vs 'brands'. Could have added Boise at any time never did. Flirted with SDSU until SDSU turned down invite because of smaller share.
 
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reagan21 said:
I thought the P4 champions are auto top 4 bids regardless where the G5 is ranked. That's why (until Saturday) BYU was a 4 seed in the CFP even though they were 6th in the rankings.
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It is based on the rank of the champion of each conference.
 
Rebel1986 said:
It is based on the rank of the champion of each conference.
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So (hypothetically) if the #14 BYU team wins the Big XII they're a top 4 seed and get a bye. It doesn't matter that they're #14. Conf Champ gets a top 4 seed.
 
reagan21 said:
I thought the P4 champions are auto top 4 bids regardless where the G5 is ranked. That's why (until Saturday) BYU was a 4 seed in the CFP even though they were 6th in the rankings.
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According to ESPN they said it is the 4 highest rated conference champions and everyone assumed it would be the P4. But that it is actually the 4 highest rated and that right now BSU is rated higher than anyone in the B12. BYU was 4th as they were rated ahead of BSU at the time and now that they lost Colorado is the highest rated out of the Big 12, but behind BSU, moving BSU into the top 4. Maybe he is wrong but that is what they were saying on ESPN radio this morning.

If it does happen that way I bet they change that rule lickety split if Boise gets a bye over the Big 12? LOL!
 
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reagan21 said:
So (hypothetically) if the #14 BYU team wins the Big XII they're a top 4 seed and get a bye. It doesn't matter that they're #14. Conf Champ gets a top 4 seed.
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As long as they are the #4 ranked conference champion. If BSU finishes the season ranked higher than the Big12 champion, then they would get one of the top 4 seeds which is possible between them or Army if they both win out. From what I have been reading, Army would possibly pass BSU in their ranking if they can beat Notre Dame, and then beat Tulane, but who knows if a ranked UNLV gets to the conference championship and BSU beats UNLV? On the other side, it is very unlikely that if UNLV wins the MWC championship that they will be ranked high enough to get one of the top 4 seeds.
 
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Any chance Boise gets in even if they were to lose to UNLV in the MWCC?
 
Masked_rebel said:
No. You have to be a conference champion or top 12 CFP team to get at large. They won't be either with a loss
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There is a decent chance that both BSU and UNLV won't get an invite if BSU loses to UNLV in the Championship. What are the chances that CSU get into the playoff if they beat BSU in the MWCC game?
 
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j. spilotro said:
Zero
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OK. Knowling this, who do you think will win the game between FSU and CSU?
The only way that UNLV can get into the playoff is to beat BSU in Boise in the championship with a bigger margins than BSU beat UNLV in Vegas. More than the 5 points and convincingly.
All hands on deck!
 
1Tripoda said:
There is a decent chance that both BSU and UNLV won't get an invite if BSU loses to UNLV in the Championship. What are the chances that CSU get into the playoff if they beat BSU in the MWCC game?
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1Tripoda said:
OK. Knowling this, who do you think will win the game between FSU and CSU?
The only way that UNLV can get into the playoff is to beat BSU in Boise in the championship with a bigger margins than BSU beat UNLV in Vegas. More than the 5 points and convincingly.
All hands on deck!
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That is possible, but if Army loses this week to ND they arent coming into AAC game ranked, they just didnt play a good schedule. Even Tulane winning the AAC at home vs UNLV beating a top 10 Boise would probably leap frog UNLV ahead in the CFP standings. Boise staying ranked highly will really help UNLVs shot if things play out that way- especially if Kansas beats Colorado... That'd be a better P4 win than any G5 school this season has.
There isnt an at large argument for Boise. They have to win the MWC championship, in which case none of the UNLV scenarios matter. They'd have to finish in the top 12 and with all the Big 10 schools and SEC schools that just isnt happening.
I dont think the margins would matter. Thatd be a top 10 win for a Conference championship. Both schools played better schedules than any other G5 program. Its the CFP rankings math. Tomorrow's release will reveal where we stand.. If we can get into the rankings than we will be within spitting distance and KSU losing keeps hurting the Tulane ceiling.
 
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1Tripoda said:
There is a decent chance that both BSU and UNLV won't get an invite if BSU loses to UNLV in the Championship. What are the chances that CSU get into the playoff if they beat BSU in the MWCC game?
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CSU would need a lot of help. They have 3 losses and a weak schedule. Though a win against Boise will likely be the best win of the G5 as it would be if we were to be Boise in a champ game.

But the winner of Tulane or Army would probably have to take another loss (assuming Army loses to ND).
 
Masked_rebel said:
That is possible, but if Army loses this week to ND they arent coming into AAC game ranked, they just didnt play a good schedule. Even Tulane winning the AAC at home vs UNLV beating a top 10 Boise would probably leap frog UNLV ahead in the CFP standings. Boise staying ranked highly will really help UNLVs shot if things play out that way- especially if Kansas beats Colorado... That'd be a better P4 win than any G5 school this season has.
There isnt an at large argument for Boise. They have to win the MWC championship, in which case none of the UNLV scenarios matter. They'd have to finish in the top 12 and with all the Big 10 schools and SEC schools that just isnt happening.
I dont think the margins would matter. Thatd be a top 10 win for a Conference championship. Both schools played better schedules than any other G5 program. Its the CFP rankings math. Tomorrow's release will reveal where we stand.. If we can get into the rankings than we will be within spitting distance and KSU losing keeps hurting the Tulane ceiling.
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Thank you, Masked. Are you sure you're not Meister's twins?
Would it be easier if BSU beat UNLV? That is the story...
 
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rebel5280 said:
If CU wins out I suspect they would jump Boise!
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I agree actually. The two regular season games they have left are Kansas and Oklahoma State... combined 7-13. But if they beat both, they will meet BYU, Iowa State, or Arizona State. BYU and ASU play this week, and Iowa State plays Kansas State next week. Those line up to me as "whoever CU plays in the Big 12 title game will be ranked, basically no matter what", and I'd assume just based on how things go, CU will rise to within a couple spots to BSU organically, then pass them in championship weekend.

Prime effect. I think BSU, even now, would beat them head to head.
 
1Tripoda said:
OK. Knowling this, who do you think will win the game between FSU and CSU?
The only way that UNLV can get into the playoff is to beat BSU in Boise in the championship with a bigger margins than BSU beat UNLV in Vegas. More than the 5 points and convincingly.
All hands on deck!
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I think CSU wins out, so do we. LA BOWL for us.
 
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Masked_rebel said:
In the rankings... Boise right now is in a spot to get a home game as the highest ranked G5 and potentially could be ahead of one of the P4 champions, giving them the home game bye
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Got it. Yeah, UNLV going to beat BSU in the championship game.
 
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dcut03 said:
CSU would need a lot of help. They have 3 losses and a weak schedule. Though a win against Boise will likely be the best win of the G5 as it would be if we were to be Boise in a champ game.

But the winner of Tulane or Army would probably have to take another loss (assuming Army loses to ND).
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Definitely possible that's how it plays out. Hypothetically, Army loses to ND. Depending on the severity, that would certainly drop them out of the CFP rankings (using last weeks rankings), but not change their standing in the American title game. Tulane vs Army is the championship game, both have clinched already. Tulane may very well lose to Memphis to end the regular season. Either way, it's entirely possible both or either have one more loss on their resume.

If CSU loses once, UNLV and BSU win out, I'd imagine a top 12 BSU will host a top 25 UNLV. Obviously BSU win and in. If UNLV wins, they very well could be the only ranked conference champ, where Memphis maybe is ranked by then, but can't get into the AAC title game.

I think Army losing to ND knocks them off the line, unless its close (personally, I don't think it will be. Charmin schedule. they beat an FCS team, then teams with the following records: 2-8, 3-7, 3-7, 3-7, 2-8, 6-4, 3-7, 5-5. SOS of 124. Same metric has UNLV at 84, BSU at 77, CSU at 89. (https://collegefootballnetwork.com/2024-college-football-strength-of-schedule/). Hard to fully buy into these, even for me... but just to put that out there.
 
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LocoRebel said:
Definitely possible that's how it plays out. Hypothetically, Army loses to ND. Depending on the severity, that would certainly drop them out of the CFP rankings (using last weeks rankings), but not change their standing in the American title game. Tulane vs Army is the championship game, both have clinched already. Tulane may very well lose to Memphis to end the regular season. Either way, it's entirely possible both or either have one more loss on their resume.

If CSU loses once, UNLV and BSU win out, I'd imagine a top 12 BSU will host a top 25 UNLV. Obviously BSU win and in. If UNLV wins, they very well could be the only ranked conference champ, where Memphis maybe is ranked by then, but can't get into the AAC title game.

I think Army losing to ND knocks them off the line, unless its close (personally, I don't think it will be. Charmin schedule. they beat an FCS team, then teams with the following records: 2-8, 3-7, 3-7, 3-7, 2-8, 6-4, 3-7, 5-5. SOS of 124. Same metric has UNLV at 84, BSU at 77, CSU at 89. (https://collegefootballnetwork.com/2024-college-football-strength-of-schedule/). Hard to fully buy into these, even for me... but just to put that out there.
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Yeah Army's schedule has been really soft. To their credit they've beaten most of their opponents pretty handily. North Texas game was 'close' but they kept a pretty potent N Texas offense in check all day. (Also helps to have an offensive drive last almost an entire quarter to limit their possessions.

ND probably beats Army by 3 or 4 scores.

If UNLV gets boxed out of title game at 7-1 in conference and finishes the season around #20 in the country (run table they should be close maybe 19? or 18? it would be pretty incredible feat by Odom.
 
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LocoRebel said:
Definitely possible that's how it plays out. Hypothetically, Army loses to ND. Depending on the severity, that would certainly drop them out of the CFP rankings (using last weeks rankings), but not change their standing in the American title game. Tulane vs Army is the championship game, both have clinched already. Tulane may very well lose to Memphis to end the regular season. Either way, it's entirely possible both or either have one more loss on their resume.

If CSU loses once, UNLV and BSU win out, I'd imagine a top 12 BSU will host a top 25 UNLV. Obviously BSU win and in. If UNLV wins, they very well could be the only ranked conference champ, where Memphis maybe is ranked by then, but can't get into the AAC title game.

I think Army losing to ND knocks them off the line, unless its close (personally, I don't think it will be. Charmin schedule. they beat an FCS team, then teams with the following records: 2-8, 3-7, 3-7, 3-7, 2-8, 6-4, 3-7, 5-5. SOS of 124. Same metric has UNLV at 84, BSU at 77, CSU at 89. (https://collegefootballnetwork.com/2024-college-football-strength-of-schedule/). Hard to fully buy into these, even for me... but just to put that out there.
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Those metrics are full of shit. No way would I believe BSU, unr, etc.. have played a schedule even close to as hard as that of UNLV. UNLV is the only program in the lower division to play 3 P4 programs.
 
LocoRebel said:
Definitely possible that's how it plays out. Hypothetically, Army loses to ND. Depending on the severity, that would certainly drop them out of the CFP rankings (using last weeks rankings), but not change their standing in the American title game. Tulane vs Army is the championship game, both have clinched already. Tulane may very well lose to Memphis to end the regular season. Either way, it's entirely possible both or either have one more loss on their resume.

If CSU loses once, UNLV and BSU win out, I'd imagine a top 12 BSU will host a top 25 UNLV. Obviously BSU win and in. If UNLV wins, they very well could be the only ranked conference champ, where Memphis maybe is ranked by then, but can't get into the AAC title game.

I think Army losing to ND knocks them off the line, unless its close (personally, I don't think it will be. Charmin schedule. they beat an FCS team, then teams with the following records: 2-8, 3-7, 3-7, 3-7, 2-8, 6-4, 3-7, 5-5. SOS of 124. Same metric has UNLV at 84, BSU at 77, CSU at 89. (https://collegefootballnetwork.com/2024-college-football-strength-of-schedule/). Hard to fully buy into these, even for me... but just to put that out there.
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If KU and or Houston had one more win I think UNLV would be right there with Boise at or around 75 ish.

Fresno falling off the map losing to AFA hurt as well. Oregon State laying an egg vs AFA this week didn't help.
 
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
Yeah Army's schedule has been really soft. To their credit they've beaten most of their opponents pretty handily. North Texas game was 'close' but they kept a pretty potent N Texas offense in check all day. (Also helps to have an offensive drive last almost an entire quarter to limit their possessions.

ND probably beats Army by 3 or 4 scores.

If UNLV gets boxed out of title game at 7-1 in conference and finishes the season around #20 in the country (run table they should be close maybe 19? or 18? it would be pretty incredible feat by Odom.
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This is the terribly unfortunate yet realistic possibility that UNLV faces.. Finish the season 11-2, ranked in top 15 with a premium bowl win... Best season ever, yet miss conference title game and CFP spot because CSU played garbage conference schedule.

I do image that we could draw a better bowl than the LA bowl. i know its the top tier MWC tied bowl game, but a top 15 UNLV team seems like a good add to a better bowl
 
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Masked_rebel said:
This is the terribly unfortunate yet realistic possibility that UNLC faces.. Finish the season 11-2, ranked in top 15 with a premium bowl win... Best season ever, yet miss conference title game and CFP spot because CSU played garbage conference schedule.

I do image that we could draw a better bowl than the LA bowl. i know its the top tier MWC tied bowl game, but a top 15 UNLV team seems like a good add to a better bowl
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You would think a bump up to a better bowl would be possible if they are sitting at or around #18 or so...With two weeks left still a chance for some teams ahead to lose and Rebs to pick up some votes...
 
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j. spilotro said:
I think it’s been UNLV’s actual goal, even against the P12 when the P12 was in tact. And I think UNLV will continue to pursue that avenue. But there are some significant road blocks within the conference that may make it too difficult. Hell, even in the watered down, weak P2 there were significant obstacles for UNLV to climb, member induced obstacles.

UNLV has enemies out there.
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Why does UNLV have enemies? It certainly can't be sports related as we haven't had any kind of success in sports for 30+ years
 
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The Big 12 is desperate for more quality football teams. They have prioritized basketball perhaps a little too much.

UNLV being ranked, doing well against the B12 straight up, and being in a good market with some pre existing regional partners definitely helps.
 
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Mojo702 said:
Why does UNLV have enemies? It certainly can't be sports related as we haven't had any kind of success in sports for 30+ years
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Any ire fanbases have between each other are superficial and don’t mean much. That’s not how it works with the uppers.

It’s more political, more petty … somebody screwed over somebody or something along those lines.

UNLV and BYU fans tend to “hate” each other but BYU has UNLV’s backs where they can. You might not expect that on the surface, but that’s the way it is.

Behind the scenes, things aren’t as you might expect them to be.
 
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dcut03 said:
The Big 12 is desperate for more quality football teams. They have prioritized basketball perhaps a little too much.

UNLV being ranked, doing well against the B12 straight up, and being in a good market with some pre existing regional partners definitely helps.
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Yes. Lets say we do miss the CFP, realistic possibility, but we win out, win bowl and finish season in top 15 of rankings.. All off season youre going to hear about UNLV. Everyone will talk about us. We will enter season possibly on the radar of a Top 25 pre-season ranking. Our recruiting and transfer class will likely take a huge jump- guys want to play for championships and a re-loaded UNLV program will definitely be a landing spot for talented guys...
All that to say, the Big 12 will be paying attention and if we are really serious, we are talking with them continually.
 
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CFP rankings prediction, real ones come out sometime today.

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Predicting the College Football Playoff rankings, bracket for Week 13

The third College Football Playoff Rankings of 2024 are almost here. Before the CFP committee unveils the rankings, Stan Becton predicts where the top 25 teams will land.
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interesting they DON'T have Boise jumping BYU. Because BYU has a ranked win, and as of now Boise does not. But somehow have Army at 20.

We aren't on the list at all.

Remember these are the only rankings that matter. Army has a 5 spot lead on us ( at least). A loss to ND will drop them a good amount, perhaps all the way out, winning out for sure would get us on.

This is why we also need to root for Houston, Kansas, and Syracuse. The more quality teams they beat, the better our resume looks.
 
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dcut03 said:
CFP rankings prediction, real ones come out sometime today.

www.ncaa.com

Predicting the College Football Playoff rankings, bracket for Week 13

The third College Football Playoff Rankings of 2024 are almost here. Before the CFP committee unveils the rankings, Stan Becton predicts where the top 25 teams will land.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com

interesting they DON'T have Boise jumping BYU. Because BYU has a ranked win, and as of now Boise does not. But somehow have Army at 20.

We aren't on the list at all.

Remember these are the only rankings that matter. Army has a 5 spot lead on us ( at least). A loss to ND will drop them a good amount, perhaps all the way out, winning out for sure would get us on.

This is why we also need to root for Houston, Kansas, and Syracuse. The more quality teams they beat, the better our resume looks.
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We weren't ranked last week in either poll. I imagine we come in somewhere similar in todays poll, but agree that a loss for Army probably eliminates them, with their super soft schedule.
We should also root for Memphis to beat Tulane. Memphis isnt able to get into AAC championship game so a win by them doesnt hurt us if we win out. Just need that Fresno team to come through for us
 
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Masked_rebel said:
We weren't ranked last week in either poll. I imagine we come in somewhere similar in todays poll, but agree that a loss for Army probably eliminates them, with their super soft schedule.
We should also root for Memphis to beat Tulane. Memphis isnt able to get into AAC championship game so a win by them doesnt hurt us if we win out. Just need that Fresno team to come through for us
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This prediction does account for this past weekend's games and the current ranking in the polls though.
 
Masked_rebel said:
This is the terribly unfortunate yet realistic possibility that UNLV faces.. Finish the season 11-2, ranked in top 15 with a premium bowl win... Best season ever, yet miss conference title game and CFP spot because CSU played garbage conference schedule.

I do image that we could draw a better bowl than the LA bowl. i know its the top tier MWC tied bowl game, but a top 15 UNLV team seems like a good add to a better bowl
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Depending how the bowls are set up, UNLV may not have any choice what bowl they go to with the exception of the college playoffs.
 
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