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UNLV Signs Extension to Remain a Member of the Mountain West Conference

The UNLV President Keith E. Whitfield and Director of Athletics Erick Harper announced Thursday that Rebel Athletics will extend its contract with the Mountain West Conference for six years from July 1, 2026 to June 30, 2032. UNLV’s existing contract with the league was scheduled to expire June 30, 2026.

According to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by President Whitfield, the Mountain West will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026. The new payments are on top of the current revenue streams from existing contracts and media assets. The current media deal expires in June 2026 and negotiations for a new media deal will begin in the near future. The university will also have the flexibility to explore future membership in an autonomous “Power Four” conference without penalty should the opportunity become available.

“We believe continuing our membership with the Mountain West Conference offers needed stability and increased flexibility during a dynamic period in college athletics and positions UNLV for success today and beyond,” President Whitfield said. “UNLV’s continued growth and ascension into a top national research university, combined with world-class athletics facilities and championship-level programs, are indicative of an institution and athletics department on the rise. We’re always looking toward the future, and we’re committed to doing what’s best for our university, UNLV Athletics and our student-athletes, and our alumni and community.”

“After a thorough evaluation of all options, at this time the best choice for UNLV is to remain a member of the Mountain West," Harper said. "We are a charter member of the conference, have had a great experience throughout its history and are excited to continue moving forward. The league is a genuine brand and an established product. Increased revenues are a vital factor. As we look ahead and continue our ascent as an athletics department, this also gives us necessary flexibility as we pursue our future goal of joining an autonomous (Power Four) conference.”

During this process, it became clear that extending the university’s partnership with the Mountain West provided an enhanced revenue stream while ensuring flexibility for future opportunities.

“Any future move from our current affiliation would have to make sense financially and have significant long-term value for the university and UNLV Athletics,” Whitfield said.

Further, UNLV, as a charter member of the Mountain West, will continue to host the conference’s men’s and women’s basketball tournaments at the Thomas & Mack Center throughout the duration of the existing and new contract.

In addition to UNLV, six other member institutions signed the MOU to remain in the Mountain West - The United States Air Force Academy, University of Hawai’i, Manoa, University of New Mexico, University of Nevada, Reno, San Jose State University, and the University of Wyoming.

“Our immediate priority was solidifying the membership of the Mountain West. Now our focus turns to our collective future on behalf of our student-athletes,” said Mountain West Conference Commissioner Gloria Nevarez. “The agreements announced today mark a historic moment for the Mountain West and provide much-needed stability and clarity as the world of intercollegiate athletics continues to evolve rapidly. We will continue to prioritize the student-athlete experience and do all we can to support our institutions as they compete at the highest levels of intercollegiate athletics.”
 
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UNLV Signs Extension to Remain a Member of the Mountain West Conference

The UNLV President Keith E. Whitfield and Director of Athletics Erick Harper announced Thursday that Rebel Athletics will extend its contract with the Mountain West Conference for six years from July 1, 2026 to June 30, 2032. UNLV’s existing contract with the league was scheduled to expire June 30, 2026.

According to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by President Whitfield, the Mountain West will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026. The new payments are on top of the current revenue streams from existing contracts and media assets. The current media deal expires in June 2026 and negotiations for a new media deal will begin in the near future. The university will also have the flexibility to explore future membership in an autonomous “Power Four” conference without penalty should the opportunity become available.

“We believe continuing our membership with the Mountain West Conference offers needed stability and increased flexibility during a dynamic period in college athletics and positions UNLV for success today and beyond,” President Whitfield said. “UNLV’s continued growth and ascension into a top national research university, combined with world-class athletics facilities and championship-level programs, are indicative of an institution and athletics department on the rise. We’re always looking toward the future, and we’re committed to doing what’s best for our university, UNLV Athletics and our student-athletes, and our alumni and community.”

“After a thorough evaluation of all options, at this time the best choice for UNLV is to remain a member of the Mountain West," Harper said. "We are a charter member of the conference, have had a great experience throughout its history and are excited to continue moving forward. The league is a genuine brand and an established product. Increased revenues are a vital factor. As we look ahead and continue our ascent as an athletics department, this also gives us necessary flexibility as we pursue our future goal of joining an autonomous (Power Four) conference.”

During this process, it became clear that extending the university’s partnership with the Mountain West provided an enhanced revenue stream while ensuring flexibility for future opportunities.

“Any future move from our current affiliation would have to make sense financially and have significant long-term value for the university and UNLV Athletics,” Whitfield said.

Further, UNLV, as a charter member of the Mountain West, will continue to host the conference’s men’s and women’s basketball tournaments at the Thomas & Mack Center throughout the duration of the existing and new contract.

In addition to UNLV, six other member institutions signed the MOU to remain in the Mountain West - The United States Air Force Academy, University of Hawai’i, Manoa, University of New Mexico, University of Nevada, Reno, San Jose State University, and the University of Wyoming.

“Our immediate priority was solidifying the membership of the Mountain West. Now our focus turns to our collective future on behalf of our student-athletes,” said Mountain West Conference Commissioner Gloria Nevarez. “The agreements announced today mark a historic moment for the Mountain West and provide much-needed stability and clarity as the world of intercollegiate athletics continues to evolve rapidly. We will continue to prioritize the student-athlete experience and do all we can to support our institutions as they compete at the highest levels of intercollegiate athletics.”
Well that sounds about as good as I could have imagined it going. Money now, some additional money annually for the next 6 years, and flexibility to go to a P4 conference with no penalty should that opportunity arise.
 
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UNLV Signs Extension to Remain a Member of the Mountain West Conference

The UNLV President Keith E. Whitfield and Director of Athletics Erick Harper announced Thursday that Rebel Athletics will extend its contract with the Mountain West Conference for six years from July 1, 2026 to June 30, 2032. UNLV’s existing contract with the league was scheduled to expire June 30, 2026.

According to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by President Whitfield, the Mountain West will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026. The new payments are on top of the current revenue streams from existing contracts and media assets. The current media deal expires in June 2026 and negotiations for a new media deal will begin in the near future. The university will also have the flexibility to explore future membership in an autonomous “Power Four” conference without penalty should the opportunity become available.

“We believe continuing our membership with the Mountain West Conference offers needed stability and increased flexibility during a dynamic period in college athletics and positions UNLV for success today and beyond,” President Whitfield said. “UNLV’s continued growth and ascension into a top national research university, combined with world-class athletics facilities and championship-level programs, are indicative of an institution and athletics department on the rise. We’re always looking toward the future, and we’re committed to doing what’s best for our university, UNLV Athletics and our student-athletes, and our alumni and community.”

“After a thorough evaluation of all options, at this time the best choice for UNLV is to remain a member of the Mountain West," Harper said. "We are a charter member of the conference, have had a great experience throughout its history and are excited to continue moving forward. The league is a genuine brand and an established product. Increased revenues are a vital factor. As we look ahead and continue our ascent as an athletics department, this also gives us necessary flexibility as we pursue our future goal of joining an autonomous (Power Four) conference.”

During this process, it became clear that extending the university’s partnership with the Mountain West provided an enhanced revenue stream while ensuring flexibility for future opportunities.

“Any future move from our current affiliation would have to make sense financially and have significant long-term value for the university and UNLV Athletics,” Whitfield said.

Further, UNLV, as a charter member of the Mountain West, will continue to host the conference’s men’s and women’s basketball tournaments at the Thomas & Mack Center throughout the duration of the existing and new contract.

In addition to UNLV, six other member institutions signed the MOU to remain in the Mountain West - The United States Air Force Academy, University of Hawai’i, Manoa, University of New Mexico, University of Nevada, Reno, San Jose State University, and the University of Wyoming.

“Our immediate priority was solidifying the membership of the Mountain West. Now our focus turns to our collective future on behalf of our student-athletes,” said Mountain West Conference Commissioner Gloria Nevarez. “The agreements announced today mark a historic moment for the Mountain West and provide much-needed stability and clarity as the world of intercollegiate athletics continues to evolve rapidly. We will continue to prioritize the student-athlete experience and do all we can to support our institutions as they compete at the highest levels of intercollegiate athletics.”
This sounds okay as long as we pay to keep Odom and La Rocque. Maybe, use a few million to get us a real men's basketball coach.
 
Maybe I remember being in pcaa in hoops in 70's, however it's freaking 2024, only way this works non conference has to be P4 schools in both main sports, UNM/UNR basketball marquee games, just stupid. B12 is only hope, 33 years of just crap!
 
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UNLV Signs Extension to Remain a Member of the Mountain West Conference

The UNLV President Keith E. Whitfield and Director of Athletics Erick Harper announced Thursday that Rebel Athletics will extend its contract with the Mountain West Conference for six years from July 1, 2026 to June 30, 2032. UNLV’s existing contract with the league was scheduled to expire June 30, 2026.

According to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by President Whitfield, the Mountain West will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026. The new payments are on top of the current revenue streams from existing contracts and media assets. The current media deal expires in June 2026 and negotiations for a new media deal will begin in the near future. The university will also have the flexibility to explore future membership in an autonomous “Power Four” conference without penalty should the opportunity become available.

“We believe continuing our membership with the Mountain West Conference offers needed stability and increased flexibility during a dynamic period in college athletics and positions UNLV for success today and beyond,” President Whitfield said. “UNLV’s continued growth and ascension into a top national research university, combined with world-class athletics facilities and championship-level programs, are indicative of an institution and athletics department on the rise. We’re always looking toward the future, and we’re committed to doing what’s best for our university, UNLV Athletics and our student-athletes, and our alumni and community.”

“After a thorough evaluation of all options, at this time the best choice for UNLV is to remain a member of the Mountain West," Harper said. "We are a charter member of the conference, have had a great experience throughout its history and are excited to continue moving forward. The league is a genuine brand and an established product. Increased revenues are a vital factor. As we look ahead and continue our ascent as an athletics department, this also gives us necessary flexibility as we pursue our future goal of joining an autonomous (Power Four) conference.”

During this process, it became clear that extending the university’s partnership with the Mountain West provided an enhanced revenue stream while ensuring flexibility for future opportunities.

“Any future move from our current affiliation would have to make sense financially and have significant long-term value for the university and UNLV Athletics,” Whitfield said.

Further, UNLV, as a charter member of the Mountain West, will continue to host the conference’s men’s and women’s basketball tournaments at the Thomas & Mack Center throughout the duration of the existing and new contract.

In addition to UNLV, six other member institutions signed the MOU to remain in the Mountain West - The United States Air Force Academy, University of Hawai’i, Manoa, University of New Mexico, University of Nevada, Reno, San Jose State University, and the University of Wyoming.

“Our immediate priority was solidifying the membership of the Mountain West. Now our focus turns to our collective future on behalf of our student-athletes,” said Mountain West Conference Commissioner Gloria Nevarez. “The agreements announced today mark a historic moment for the Mountain West and provide much-needed stability and clarity as the world of intercollegiate athletics continues to evolve rapidly. We will continue to prioritize the student-athlete experience and do all we can to support our institutions as they compete at the highest levels of intercollegiate athletics.”
This is BS to put it mildly. No one gives a darn about the athletic programs at the remaining MWC schools. NIU and Toledo are a losing proposition. If these dreamers at UNLV think NIU and Toledo add to a tv package they are off base. Both schools together average less than 15000 per game in football. AFA can't fill their own stadium and no one goes to 7400 feet to play Wyoming unless their nuts or think it is an easy win. Nevada adds nothing to the market value. The Pac was the only way to go because the quality of competition will be much higher. To think being the "Gonzaga" of football or basketball playing teams from the MWC with BSU, CSU, FSU, and SDSU all gone is hilarious. The Athletic Department is so far in the red that they had to take a proposed payout by the schools leaving. A memorandum of understanding is about as legally binding as my saying yes on a phone call to a vitamin deal. "Fire" them both and get someone who realizes we have 500 million dollars invested in that football stadium we built for the Raiders. AS far as NIL money goes, who would pay athletes to play the leftovers from the MWC. No one including CBS, ESPN, Fox, Apple etc. will pay squat for those rights. All I see are more empty seats and red deficits as the non revenue sports travel ridiculous miles to play teams that lose regularly to the teams leaving the conference.
 
No other option. Make it to the B12 on an expansion; or thrive in mediocrity.
The only way to get to the Big 12 is to join the Pac and play them in the pre season. That train has left the station. The present administrations loyalty to the MWC is unjustified because the quality of competition in football has been gutted. No one cares to see Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico, AFA, Hawaii enough to pay for a ticket at Allegiant much less at the Mack. All of our coaches who can leave will say "adios, amigos" and high tail it to the next power conference.
 
We were always the flagship... They just didn't know it and we tried to pretend we weren't, lol
This is a gut shot to all the coaches who have spent countless hours recruiting players to play in a major conference. Now we are truly the Summit League, both in quality and not even quantity. UNLV administrators are gutless and should be fired. The unspoken loyalty to the school up North is ridiculous. The Carson City crowd is outnumbered by Clark County legislators who will protect UNLV's academic budgets. If they don't the electoral process works every two years. Good luck with that.
 
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UNLV Signs Extension to Remain a Member of the Mountain West Conference

The UNLV President Keith E. Whitfield and Director of Athletics Erick Harper announced Thursday that Rebel Athletics will extend its contract with the Mountain West Conference for six years from July 1, 2026 to June 30, 2032. UNLV’s existing contract with the league was scheduled to expire June 30, 2026.

According to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by President Whitfield, the Mountain West will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026. The new payments are on top of the current revenue streams from existing contracts and media assets. The current media deal expires in June 2026 and negotiations for a new media deal will begin in the near future. The university will also have the flexibility to explore future membership in an autonomous “Power Four” conference without penalty should the opportunity become available.

“We believe continuing our membership with the Mountain West Conference offers needed stability and increased flexibility during a dynamic period in college athletics and positions UNLV for success today and beyond,” President Whitfield said. “UNLV’s continued growth and ascension into a top national research university, combined with world-class athletics facilities and championship-level programs, are indicative of an institution and athletics department on the rise. We’re always looking toward the future, and we’re committed to doing what’s best for our university, UNLV Athletics and our student-athletes, and our alumni and community.”

“After a thorough evaluation of all options, at this time the best choice for UNLV is to remain a member of the Mountain West," Harper said. "We are a charter member of the conference, have had a great experience throughout its history and are excited to continue moving forward. The league is a genuine brand and an established product. Increased revenues are a vital factor. As we look ahead and continue our ascent as an athletics department, this also gives us necessary flexibility as we pursue our future goal of joining an autonomous (Power Four) conference.”

During this process, it became clear that extending the university’s partnership with the Mountain West provided an enhanced revenue stream while ensuring flexibility for future opportunities.

“Any future move from our current affiliation would have to make sense financially and have significant long-term value for the university and UNLV Athletics,” Whitfield said.

Further, UNLV, as a charter member of the Mountain West, will continue to host the conference’s men’s and women’s basketball tournaments at the Thomas & Mack Center throughout the duration of the existing and new contract.

In addition to UNLV, six other member institutions signed the MOU to remain in the Mountain West - The United States Air Force Academy, University of Hawai’i, Manoa, University of New Mexico, University of Nevada, Reno, San Jose State University, and the University of Wyoming.

“Our immediate priority was solidifying the membership of the Mountain West. Now our focus turns to our collective future on behalf of our student-athletes,” said Mountain West Conference Commissioner Gloria Nevarez. “The agreements announced today mark a historic moment for the Mountain West and provide much-needed stability and clarity as the world of intercollegiate athletics continues to evolve rapidly. We will continue to prioritize the student-athlete experience and do all we can to support our institutions as they compete at the highest levels of intercollegiate athletics.”
There is no tv revenue stream. The league is dissolved with Utah State leaving. UNLV will be a lost entity in the world of pro athletics here in Vegas. No one will go to see the left over conference and no major tv network will pay to have UNLV on every week in basketball with Kruger as head coach. Odom is gone as this power conference dream is as solid as the paper it is written on. Worthless leadership leads to academics and former Arizona Pac12 administrator with dreams of grandeur which will be met with the steam roller of no money, no attendance, no NIL, no NCAA basketball shares etc.
 
There is no tv revenue stream. The league is dissolved with Utah State leaving. UNLV will be a lost entity in the world of pro athletics here in Vegas. No one will go to see the left over conference and no major tv network will pay to have UNLV on every week in basketball with Kruger as head coach. Odom is gone as this power conference dream is as solid as the paper it is written on. Worthless leadership leads to academics and former Arizona Pac12 administrator with dreams of grandeur which will be met with the steam roller of no money, no attendance, no NIL, no NCAA basketball shares etc.
I missed the part about leaving for an autonomous Power 4 conference. A nice add and the only good thing about the Memorandum. Still lousy conference with no real reason for Idaho or other Summit league powers to spend money to go to a soon defunct MWC. I just don't see with the economic conditions at present a major network paying for the MWC anything but ESPN3 money.
 
There is no tv revenue stream. The league is dissolved with Utah State leaving. UNLV will be a lost entity in the world of pro athletics here in Vegas. No one will go to see the left over conference and no major tv network will pay to have UNLV on every week in basketball with Kruger as head coach. Odom is gone as this power conference dream is as solid as the paper it is written on. Worthless leadership leads to academics and former Arizona Pac12 administrator with dreams of grandeur which will be met with the steam roller of no money, no attendance, no NIL, no NCAA basketball shares etc.
Utah State left because they have bad leadership and their football program is a disaster. The amount of coaches that school has run through over the years is astonishing. It’s not surprising they lept at a deal where they pay their way in because they want positive coverage admist their scandals.

The PAC12 was rejected by 7 schools this week, if you count Hawaii. PAC has more problems because their standards and used car salesman tactics aren’t working on anyone. Their proposed tv deal is probably fiction and doesn’t move the needle for any AAC team to pay an exit fee and get paid a few dollars more…for what? Joining a version of the MW? Nah. Why would unlv want to pay an exit fee and join a broke conference with no tv deal?
 
The only way the PAC becomes viable is if the acc implodes sooner than later and Cal and Stanford come crawling back, but I doubt they don’t find a home elsewhere before that.
 
I missed the part about leaving for an autonomous Power 4 conference. A nice add and the only good thing about the Memorandum. Still lousy conference with no real reason for Idaho or other Summit league powers to spend money to go to a soon defunct MWC. I just don't see with the economic conditions at present a major network paying for the MWC anything but ESPN3 money.
The next TV deal negotiations are already under way. Expected to be at least what they are getting now. At the end of the day, all of these networks need content to fill up their schedules and nothing gets more viewers than football. Even MW games.
 
I think people also are kind of sleeping on the no exit fee. If we're decent and the big 12 wants to expand west they can either take a PAC-7 team that will cost them 30-40mil (if what I saw was correct) or they can take us for free. Couple that with not spending money on an exit fee now and we set ourselves up as best we could with the situation that was presented to us imo.
 
The only way the PAC becomes viable is if the acc implodes sooner than later and Cal and Stanford come crawling back, but I doubt they don’t find a home elsewhere before that.
The problem for the PAC is the ACC implosion isn’t imminent, it’s not happening anytime soon. Hence the rushed offers and lowballing AAC members. The other problem is the geography of the PAC is extremely regional. Oregon Stafe, WAZZU, Boise, Colorado, Utah State. Fresno and San Diego are on an island.

The best of the rest scenario never materialized, and a lot of schools are taking stock and looking at the situation, thinking to themselves…wait a minute, this actually makes no sense for us. If the PAC had a large war chest as they claimed, we wouldn’t be seeing them have issues or be turned down by 6-7 schools.
 
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Based on where we are at, that is probably the best case scenario. Would get us into the central time zone, building the media value up somewhat. Unfortunately, there just aren’t many good options.

The good thing (if you can call it that) about there not being great options available.

PAC is in the same boat.

And nobody can tell me that there isn't some sniping in those PAC meetings now. This is not where they envisioned this going.

I really thought initially the PAC had handshake agreements with Memphis and Co. And it was a done deal. I figured no way they would be this dumb and just assume they could get whoever they wanted.

However.

Until proven otherwise, I now think Memphis and Company played the PAC to get a better deal out of the AAC.

The initial 4 SDSU/BOISE/CSU/FRESNO can't be happy with where this is at right now. It's not what was promised.
 
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Utah State left because they have bad leadership and their football program is a disaster. The amount of coaches that school has run through over the years is astonishing. It’s not surprising they lept at a deal where they pay their way in because they want positive coverage admist their scandals.

The PAC12 was rejected by 7 schools this week, if you count Hawaii. PAC has more problems because their standards and used car salesman tactics aren’t working on anyone. Their proposed tv deal is probably fiction and doesn’t move the needle for any AAC team to pay an exit fee and get paid a few dollars more…for what? Joining a version of the MW? Nah. Why would unlv want to pay an exit fee and join a broke conference with no tv deal?

Semantics I know but Hawaii didn't turn the PAC down. PAC didn't invite them after meeting with them.




 
I mean.....can you imagine??!?!?!? The beauty of Hawaii is you have the option for a 13th game every other season. Add a home game for us stupid season ticket holders.
 
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The good thing (if you can call it that) about there not being great options available.

PAC is in the same boat.

And nobody can tell me that there isn't some sniping in those PAC meetings now. This is not where they envisioned this going.

I really thought initially the PAC had handshake agreements with Memphis and Co. And it was a done deal. I figured no way they would be this dumb and just assume they could get whoever they wanted.

However.

Until proven otherwise, I now think Memphis and Company played the PAC to get a better deal out of the AAC.

The initial 4 SDSU/BOISE/CSU/FRESNO can't be happy with where this is at right now. It's not what was promised.
PAC mismanagement is off the charts, really. If you’re going to go behind the MW’s back with secret meetings and what not. You need to have every assurance imaginable from the AAC schools or you needed to have 6 mw schools from the get go. I don’t know that there is a single school or fan base that is ok with where things are at currently. Ironically, us and Air Force are getting the best deal out of everyone involved, but still not an ideal scenario
 
PAC mismanagement is off the charts, really. If you’re going to go behind the MW’s back with secret meetings and what not. You need to have every assurance imaginable from the AAC schools or you needed to have 6 mw schools from the get go. I don’t know that there is a single school or fan base that is ok with where things are at currently. Ironically, us and Air Force are getting the best deal out of everyone involved, but still not an ideal scenario

I said earlier there was no way they went into this without being 99.99% sure who they could get and multiple contingency plans.

I was wrong.
 
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33 years of just crap!
This is where UNLV Alum and fans have every right to be angry with the school. Decades of mismanagement after given the gift of Tarkanian.
I do think Harp is making the right moves but the budget deficit drove the PAC decision for UNLV. PAC wasn’t giving us a discount — smart move by the traitor schools btw. They can’t compete with UNLV’s facilities and gravitas as a city so they leverage the one advantage they have, their media market size. Double cross the MWC and cut a deal with the PAC then refuse to pay any portion of UNLV’s exit fees. We’re either out of the PAC or in but hobbled by $40-$50M in debt. We may not know whether UNLV made the right decision for another 5-10 years.
 
I think people also are kind of sleeping on the no exit fee. If we're decent and the big 12 wants to expand west they can either take a PAC-7 team that will cost them 30-40mil (if what I saw was correct) or they can take us for free. Couple that with not spending money on an exit fee now and we set ourselves up as best we could with the situation that was presented to us imo.
Are you sure about "no exit fee". I've read that we will be able to get out of the GOR prior to 2032 but, did they say specifically it wouldn't cost us anything?
 
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Are you sure about "no exit fee". I've read that we will be able to get out of the GOR prior to 2032 but, did they say specifically it wouldn't cost us anything?
From my understanding as long it's a p4 conference taking us then that is the case. I could be wrong though with all this info that I've had to keep up with the last few days lol.
 
This, really hurts recruiting. I, just don't see the same recruits going to UNLV.
Can't, blame the student/athletes really.
 
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