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CMA seems to be a guy that takes care of business and does his homework. No doubt he has gone through our current staff and players with a fine tooth comb before he ever accepted the job. There will be pieces he likes, needs & wants to keep, some he will be okay with and some not so much.

The OL coach seems to be a logical piece to keep as the OL is one of the strengths of this team. Cormier at first glance seems to be a keeper as he has brought in most of our Texas talent for the last 2 coaches but I am not so sure after watching our receivers perform for so long. Is it the offensive scheme we run that holds them back or is it that they aren’t good route runners?

I don’t see any need to keep any of the coaches from the defensive side of the ball.

I really think that CMA has been evaluating opportunities since last year and he may surprise us with the speed with which he puts his staff together and who he keeps if any of the current coaches. It is possible he could pull someone like Caleb Herring (someone we don’t expect) to be that guy that keeps the current guys and recruits on the line.

It is entirely possible that CMA turns this program into a Win Now situation in the Mountain West Conference if he goes hard after the Defensive players in the transfer portal. Hey guys, you have been overlooked at your current program so why not come play in a pro stadium your senior year.
 
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Pistol Pete 1 said:
I really think that CMA has been evaluating opportunities since last year and he may surprise us with the speed with which he puts his staff together and who he keeps if any of the current coaches. It is possible he could pull someone like Caleb Herring (someone we don’t expect) to be that guy that keeps the current guys and recruits on the line.
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He was actually one of the candidates for the UNR job a couple years ago when they hired Norvell so I imagine he's been thinking about this opportunity for a few years now. I bet he has some good people in mind.
 
Pistol Pete 1 said:
It is entirely possible that CMA turns this program into a Win Now situation in the Mountain West Conference if he goes hard after the Defensive players in the transfer portal. Hey guys, you have been overlooked at your current program so why not come play in a pro stadium your senior year.
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I really hope so. In the press conference I loved hearing the "square peg in a round hole" talk. I think he's willing to adapt the offense to the pieces we have. The West Division is terrible. It's wide open and there's no reason we couldn't at least be in the mix. The Mountain Division is solid minus UNM so I wouldn't expect a championship any time soon but even getting there and getting blown out like Hawaii did this year would be incredible.
 
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I really hope so. In the press conference I loved hearing the "square peg in a round hole" talk. I think he's willing to adapt the offense to the pieces we have. The West Division is terrible. It's wide open and there's no reason we couldn't at least be in the mix. The Mountain Division is solid minus UNM so I wouldn't expect a championship any time soon but even getting there and getting blown out like Hawaii did this year would be incredible.
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I'll give Arroyo the same timeline as any previous coach, maybe pushed up a bit because of the facility.

Next years OOC is pretty damn tough.

I would take 5-7, but more competitive. No Arkansas State or Wyoming beatdowns.

Year 2 I think 6-6 and a bowl is fair.
 
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I'll give Arroyo the same timeline as as any previous coach, maybe pushed up a bit because of the facility.

Next years OOC is pretty damn tough.

I would take 5-7, but more competitive. No Arkansas State or Wyoming beatdowns.

Year 2 I think 6-6 and a bowl is fair.
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I agree with your assessment but when I said Win Now I was strictly referring to getting to the MWC Championship Game. Our division is pretty weak and like I said I think this job has been on his radar for quite a while and went to the top of his list of opportunities to pursue after we got off to a rough start last year.

He didn’t hit the ground running, he was running before he hit the ground!

Just one guys opinion!
 
Pistol Pete 1 said:
I agree with your assessment but when I said Win Now I was strictly referring to getting to the MWC Championship Game. Our division is pretty weak and like I said I think this job has been on his radar for quite a while and went to the top of his list of opportunities to pursue after we got off to a rough start last year.

He didn’t hit the ground running, he was running before he hit the ground!

Just one guys opinion!
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Peeking at next years conference schedule.

Home
CSU
FRESNO
RENO
WYOMING

ROAD
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HAWAII
BOISE
SDSU

A lot of variables from now until then.

4-4 conference record year one would be solid.
 
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I really hope so. In the press conference I loved hearing the "square peg in a round hole" talk. I think he's willing to adapt the offense to the pieces we have. The West Division is terrible. It's wide open and there's no reason we couldn't at least be in the mix. The Mountain Division is solid minus UNM so I wouldn't expect a championship any time soon but even getting there and getting blown out like Hawaii did this year would be incredible.
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I think it still comes down to defense. Keep allowing 35+ per game, and we’re not competing for anything.
 
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If he can't get his guy or guys from Oregon than Skipper is already here and has inroads into Florida among other places down South. All of sudden some here want to call him useless?

Don't give me the stats either, sometimes due to things not known or whatever goes on behind the scenes, a coach can be handcuffed and therefore not as effective as they could be.

All I remember is when he was being courted to come here not many were against the hire, I say if Arroyo can't get his first or second choice here then keeping someone like Skipper to help with the transition might not be a bad idea.
 
rebel5280 said:
If he can't get his guy or guys from Oregon than Skipper is already here and has inroads into Florida among other places down South. All of sudden some here want to call him useless?

Don't give me the stats either, sometimes due to things not known or whatever goes on behind the scenes, a coach can be handcuffed and therefore not as effective as they could be.

All I remember is when he was being courted to come here not many were against the hire, I say if Arroyo can't get his first or second choice here then keeping someone like Skipper to help with the transition might not be a bad idea.
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Well let's hope he gets his 1st or 2nd choice.

Him getting recruits means nothing if he can't translate it into production.
 
All I know is Jackson came with him and UNLV could use more like him, if keeping means you get more like number 6 then sign me up!
 
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All I know is Jackson came with him and UNLV could use more like him, if keeping means you get more like number 6 then sign me up!
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He had a preexisting relationship with that player. Part of the reason he came. It's also hard to sustain with heavy JUCO/5TH year transfers. Snyder at KSU was able to do it for years with JUCO guys but I'd rather some guys actually develope over 3/4 years vs having to try and flip your roster every two years.

I'd be all for him staying in a lesser role, but his defenses the last two seasons were not very good outside of the Vandy and SDSU games. (Also two of the worst offenses in the country.)

Even against Hawaii they bled a ton of yards. SJSU and Reno both rolled up big yardage totals.

You won't win a lot of games giving up 30+ points on a near weekly basis.

Reduced role like LB/CO-DC sure if they can afford him. But not as the DC...
 
How do you know that Sanchez didn't hold him back insisting the D be called or schemed a certain way?

We all saw how Sanchez was stubborn about who played QB.. so how do you know he wasn't stubborn about how the defense was called? The one thing about Sanchez we all witnessed was that he was loyal to his vision of things. He stuck with it do or die. Skipper was elevated by Sanchez to DC, and because of that promotion in title just maybe Skipper was here to do what made Tony feel comfortable?

I have suspicion that Bear and Cotton were hired because they would tow the line and that may be the case with a lot of coaches, especially new young ones. And Sanchez was about as young as you can get coming from high school.

What I am saying is that Skipper was a good get just 2 years ago and he has ties to kids in the South and anyone who knows a little about football that is an area to recruit. We may have not seen the best of Skipper due to Tony. Whether he keeps him cans him or whatever I have no skin in the game except this is my my school and team I root for..

You and a few others here are claiming Arroyo was a brilliant hire maybe he could open things up on D with Skipper, Arroyo is the guy to do that because he is innovative right?

Like I said who is retained or not is not my decision but whomever he chooses for his staff, the clock starts on his accountability now around here and he needs to get players in here now to start building change. He is supposedly a recruiter so he better have a plan that goes beyond I was the OC at Oregon or look at Herbert!
 
rebel5280 said:
How do you know that Sanchez didn't hold him back insisting the D be called or schemed a certain way?

We all saw how Sanchez was stubborn about who played QB.. so how do you know he wasn't stubborn about how the defense was called? The one thing about Sanchez we all witnessed was that he was loyal to his vision of things. He stuck with it do or die. Skipper was elevated by Sanchez to DC, and because of that promotion in title just maybe Skipper was here to do what made Tony feel comfortable?

I have suspicion that Bear and Cotton were hired because they would tow the line and that may be the case with a lot of coaches, especially new young ones. And Sanchez was about as young as you can get coming from high school.

What I am saying is that Skipper was a good get just 2 years ago and he has ties to kids in the South and anyone who knows a little about football that is an area to recruit. We may have not seen the best of Skipper due to Tony. Whether he keeps him cans him or whatever I have no skin in the game except this is my my school and team I root for..

You and a few others here are claiming Arroyo was a brilliant hire maybe he could open things up on D with Skipper, Arroyo is the guy to do that because he is innovative right?

Like I said who is retained or not is not my decision but whomever he chooses for his staff, the clock starts on his accountability now around here and he needs to get players in here now to start building change. He is supposedly a recruiter so he better have a plan that goes beyond I was the OC at Oregon or look at Herbert!
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How do you know he did? That's such a speculative argument. The only facts we have are the results on the field and they were not good. Period.

Skipper was brought in to fix the defense. Sanchez has an offensive not defensive background. This defense was Skipper's. He introduced a completely different scheme from Baer.

No Cotton and Baer were hired because they were veteran experienced FBS coaches. They were brought in to help a high school coach make an easier transition.

Show me one post I said Arroyo was a brilliant hire..I said based on UNLV's budget he was a solid hire. By UNLV standards he was a solid hire. Based on DRF's history he was a likely hire. The word brilliant was never used. It's nonsense..

Why was Skipper a good get two years ago? He was a guy who had bounced back and forth as a position coach for LBs and RBs. His only experience as a DC was at FCS Sacramento State well over a decade ago for ine year. He's considered a good recruiter and position coach.
 
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How do you know he did? That's such a speculative argument. The only facts we have are the results on the field and they were not good. Period.

Skipper was brought in to fix the defense. Sanchez has an offensive not defensive background. This defense was Skipper's. He introduced a completely different scheme from Baer.

No Cotton and Baer were hired because they were veteran experienced FBS coaches. They were brought in to help a high school coach make an easier transition.

Show me one post I said Arroyo was a brilliant hire..I said based on UNLV's budget he was a solid hire. By UNLV standards he was a solid hire. Based on DRF's history he was a likely hire. The word brilliant was never used. It's nonsense..

Why was Skipper a good get two years ago? He was a guy who had bounced back and forth as a position coach for LBs and RBs. His only experience as a DC was at FCS Sacramento State well over a decade ago for ine year. He's considered a good recruiter and position coach.
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And you don't speculate?

You don't know what went on behind the scenes period!

You say experienced, I say tow the line! Tony hired them as experienced former guys but their experience wasn't based in their success and he held on to them even when they outlived their usefulness especially in Baer's case. They were no threat to him as a HC.

You been talking up this dude since the beginning and couldn't wait to crow about it when he was hired.. he was your choice along with the other dude at Utah.

I don't remember anything other than positive comments about Skipper being hired here two years ago. And in short order he brings with him the kind of talent we lacked on D in Jackson. Who was way better than Vic whatever his name was.
Recruiting is key now and if the recruits are going to improve due to Arroyo then why can't the D improve under Skipper? If he was still here in that capacity. I never bragged on Skipper's prior experience as a DC in this post, I mentioned that once he got hired as DC here he was more than likely micro managed to some degree. It is not out of the realm of possibility.

Skipper is not as bad as Baer. I saw the flaming wreckage that was Baer up close at CU and he was awful for 2 years. players he brought in were awful and could not play. Stats only say so much, their could have been other factors contributing to the end results here with the D. And if you don't think Sanchez didn't have the last word regarding the D and how it was schemed here you are naive!

Regardless of who may or may not be hired as his assistants, the clock on your boy Arroyo's tenure starts now!

If he get's it done here great, I will be the first one to say I was wrong. But I don't believe in him just yet, no 5 year plans! He has to do more than recruit to win here, player development, establishing culture, raising money and reclaiming the alums. He is the CEO of the program now and he has to do it all!

And I don't care about pictures/tweets of the lights being on at the Fertitta complex late at night.. substance is what is needed here now, he can miss me with the posturing!
 
rebel5280 said:
And you don't speculate?

You don't know what went on behind the scenes period!

You say experienced, I say tow the line! Tony hired them as experienced former guys but their experience wasn't based in their success and he held on to them even when they outlived their usefulness especially in Baer's case. They were no threat to him as a HC.

You been talking up this dude since the beginning and couldn't wait to crow about it when he was hired.. he was your choice along with the other dude at Utah.

I don't remember anything other than positive comments about Skipper being hired here two years ago. And in short order he brings with him the kind of talent we lacked on D in Jackson. Who was way better than Vic whatever his name was.
Recruiting is key now and if the recruits are going to improve due to Arroyo then why can't the D improve under Skipper? If he was still here in that capacity. I never bragged on Skipper's prior experience as a DC in this post, I mentioned that once he got hired as DC here he was more than likely micro managed to some degree. It is not out of the realm of possibility.

Skipper is not as bad as Baer. I saw the flaming wreckage that was Baer up close at CU and he was awful for 2 years. players he brought in were awful and could not play. Stats only say so much, their could have been other factors contributing to the end results here with the D. And if you don't think Sanchez didn't have the last word regarding the D and how it was schemed here you are naive!

Regardless of who may or may not be hired as his assistants, the clock on your boy Arroyo's tenure starts now!

If he get's it done here great, I will be the first one to say I was wrong. But I don't believe in him just yet, no 5 year plans! He has to do more than recruit to win here, player development, establishing culture, raising money and reclaiming the alums. He is the CEO of the program now and he has to do it all!

And I don't care about pictures/tweets of the lights being on at the Fertitta complex late at night.. substance is what is needed here now, he can miss me with the posturing!
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rebel5280 said:
You don't know what went on behind the scenes period!
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Neither do you, regardless of how many exclamation points you put.

'You been talking up this dude since the beginning and couldn't wait to crow about it when he was hired.. he was your choice along with the other dude at Utah.'

Again, wrong. I said likely possibility..Based on region and her past history in hires she has been involved in. Not to mention a quote from a member of the search firm she used about not liking to hire 'retread' coaches. If they went the coordinator route I liked Scalley, Gonzales, Avalos and Arroyo. I would have preferred a Butch Jones or Jay Hill. This can't be that hard to understand. If you are angry because the hire didn't go the way you wanted and went they way many here anticipated it would, that's a you problem..

I would prefer a Rib Eye steak, but if my budget doesn't allow it, I'm fine with skirt or a t-bone...

Nobody blew up the Skipper hire. Nobody. It was predominantly wait and see because the only time he was a DC was over a decade ago at an FCS school. Pretty sure nobody here follows Sacramento State. Only thing in unison was that he was widely considered a good recruiter.

Arroyo will have to up recruiting even further and hire or strong staff.

Who is talking about a five year plan? What are you going on about?
 
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I'll give Arroyo the same timeline as any previous coach, maybe pushed up a bit because of the facility.

Next years OOC is pretty damn tough.

I would take 5-7, but more competitive. No Arkansas State or Wyoming beatdowns.

Year 2 I think 6-6 and a bowl is fair.
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I think 5-7 in year one would be great. Frankly, not that I would love it, but the idea of a 3-9 first year is something I have sort of accepted as possible.

Winning any of the noncon games is gonna be tough. Cal, La Tech, ASU, and at Iowa St? I'm not the betting type, but 0-4.

Conference games much harder to call, but you miss New Mexico, Air Force, and USU. I'd like UNLV in 2 of those games.

Puncher's chance against probably anyone else, but expected a good conference seasons for a first time head coach in a conference as weird (not as good, but as weird) as the MWC? I can't put my faith in that.

Year 2: Need 2 more noncons. Any rumors out there? Currently at ASU and vs Iowa St.
 
LocoRebel said:
I think 5-7 in year one would be great. Frankly, not that I would love it, but the idea of a 3-9 first year is something I have sort of accepted as possible.

Winning any of the noncon games is gonna be tough. Cal, La Tech, ASU, and at Iowa St? I'm not the betting type, but 0-4.

Conference games much harder to call, but you miss New Mexico, Air Force, and USU. I'd like UNLV in 2 of those games.

Puncher's chance against probably anyone else, but expected a good conference seasons for a first time head coach in a conference as weird (not as good, but as weird) as the MWC? I can't put my faith in that.

Year 2: Need 2 more noncons. Any rumors out there? Currently at ASU and vs Iowa St.
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That seems fair..

Not sure on OOC.

You would think maybe an FCS and a Utep or New Mexico State type school?
 
LocoRebel said:
I know it may be too soon to go back to the well, but I would love to make the road trip in early September to play newly FCS independent Dixie State, or up the hill to Cedar City.
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Maybe that's okay for basketball but in football you don't play road games against FCS teams. Our football program has enough issues and this would be really embarrassing.
 
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Maybe that's okay for basketball but in football you don't play road games against FCS teams. Our football program has enough issues and this would be really embarrassing.
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Road games yeah.

Home games its cool...If Alabama can schedule The Citadel and McNeese States of the world we should be scheduling a gimme or two ourselves..
 
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Maybe that's okay for basketball but in football you don't play road games against FCS teams. Our football program has enough issues and this would be really embarrassing.
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Fair enough. Frankly I don't know why it would be embarrassing, but I do see that it doesn't really make any sense. Embarrassing and UNLV football... very little should be embarrassing to us as UNLV FB fans based on where we've been :)
 
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Maybe that's okay for basketball but in football you don't play road games against FCS teams. Our football program has enough issues and this would be really embarrassing.
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For the sake of the argument, there's debate that UNLV playing at NDSU, Weber St, Montana, James Madison, among others, could be a betting road dog. SUU, DSU, certainly not in that category.
 
Bullmastiff 1 said:
Neither do you, regardless of how many exclamation points you put.

You got your opinions and I got mine on what went on and what didn't!

'You been talking up this dude since the beginning and couldn't wait to crow about it when he was hired.. he was your choice along with the other dude at Utah.'

Again, wrong. I said likely possibility..Based on region and her past history in hires she has been involved in. Not to mention a quote from a member of the search firm she used about not likiking to hire 'retread' coaches. If they went the coordinator route I like Scalley, Gonzales, Avalos and Arroyo. I would have preferred a Butch Jones or Jay Hill. This can't be that hard to understand.

All you tallked about were Scalley and Arroyo what's not to understand!

Nobody blew up the Skipper hire. Nobody. It was predominantly wait and see because the only time he was a DC was over a decade ago at an FCS school. Pretty sure nobody here follows Sacramento State. Only thing in unison was that he was widely considered a good recruiter.

Nobody talked negative about him as a coordinator regardless of how long ago it had been!

Arroyo will have to up recruiting even further and hire or strong staff.

Him being the good recruiter you speak of, in 3 years he should be heading in the right direction.. bowl eligiblity!

Who is talking about a five year plan? What are you going on about?
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I made a statement in general but if you feel it was directed at you fine.. getting ahead of the "wait and see" tribe who always think we should wait several years for results!

Weren't you one of ones floating the idea about .. if Sanchez goes 6-6 this year that he should earn another season?
I remember you being all over that conversation!
 
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I made a statement in general but if you feel it was directed at you fine.. getting ahead of the "wait and see" tribe who always think we should wait several years for results!

Weren't you one of ones floating the idea about .. if Sanchez goes 6-6 this year that he should earn another season?
I remember you being all over that conversation!
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If he reached 6-6 and a bowl yes. He would have earned another season. It would have been nearly impossible for AD to fire a guy that reached the ultimatum she set out.

I also said from Spring camp I thought this was a 4 or 5 win team and would need some breaks to reach a bowl.

I was not high on Sanchez heading into this year and thought he should have been let go after last season.

I think 80-90% of the board thinks we should see improvement by year two.

Nobody is calling for 5 more years.

You're looking for an argument with people that don't exist or are such a small number they hardly constitute a tribe..
 
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If he reached 6-6 and a bowl yes. He would have earned another season. It would have been nearly impossible for AD to fire a guy that reached the ultimatum she set out.

I also said from Spring camp I thought this was a 4 or 5 win team and would need some breaks to reach a bowl.

I was not high on Sanchez heading into this year and thought he should have been let go after last season.

I think 80-90% of the board thinks we should see improvement by year two.

Nobody is calling for 5 more years.

You're looking for an argument with people that don't exist or are such a small number they hardly constitute a tribe..
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I am going back and forth with you on these points!

You are the one who seems to be moved enough by my posts, moved in a negative way, so yes i return the favor by coming directly at you.. i too like UNLV football and I may be in the minority saying this but in college sports and conference realignments football is king, not basketball! So what happens with football moves much more than basketball.

As long as there is UNLV football I will be here posting.. sometimes arguing but most of the time posting because football is what matters when it comes to us moving up or dying on the vine as a university.

Don't take it personal, you have good info and opinions most of the time!
 
rebel5280 said:
I am going back and forth with you on these points!

You are the one who seems to be moved enough by my posts, moved in a negative way, so yes i return the favor by coming directly at you.. i too like UNLV football and I may be in the minority saying this but in college sports and conference realignments football is king, not basketball! So what happens with football moves much more than basketball.

As long as there is UNLV football I will be here posting.. sometimes arguing but most of the time posting because football is what matters when it comes to us moving up or dying on the vine as a university.

Don't take it personal, you have good info and opinions most of the time!
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Thanks!

I think...

Agree football is king. Took UNLV way too long to recognize that. Hopefully not too late with TV packages getting renegotiated soon and some possible conference realignment in the near future.
 
Bullmastiff 1 said:
Thanks!

I think...

Agree football is king. Took UNLV way too long to recognize that. Hopefully not too late with TV packages getting renegotiated soon and some possible conference realignment in the near future.
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No doubt about it, you make this board a whole lot better than it was!
 
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