Canzano: Pac-12 expansion scenarios getting real
Plus, is Big Ten having buyer's remorse?
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Pac 12 expansion getting closer!
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This guy names UNLV the third highest chance of getting an invite, ahead of Boise and Fresno. What do you guys think, do we have a realistic chance?
He has BSu as fourth option. It wouldn't surprise me if BSu gets left out. Mainly because low TV market and subpar academics.
But still think UNLV is on the outside looking in. We have to do something this year to prove we are trending up and can capture our TV market
But still think UNLV is on the outside looking in. We have to do something this year to prove we are trending up and can capture our TV market
Yeah, I see how Boise could be left out cause of those reasons. I hope your wrong on the Rebels, keeping my fingers crossed 🤞
I've heard on a couple of different shows talking about this subject with TV or former TV guys, that Boise may be a smaller market, but they tend to draw a much larger TV audience for football than other MW teams, and that shouldn't be discounted. That said, I think that, despite some of the foot-dragging on Maryland Parkway over the years, UNLV has gotten itself into a relatively good position compared with the others, academics-wise and facilities-wise. There's no arguing the market size and the attractiveness of the city for visitors. It's time to put things together on the field and on the court to complete the package.
UNLV makes sense. Every conference needs a doormat. But seriously, I bet UNLV attendance would spike. Bigger name opponents and just like the knights and raiders a bunch of out of town fans of the opposing team come in for the game.
I definitely think we’d see a spike in every single sport.
Perfect timing to have a convincing win against a Pac 12 opponent, don't you think?
Definitely, every sport as you say. PAC 12 baseball is really good, and pretty much all women's sport are strong. Basketball and football are obviously a big step up, even with USC and UCLA leaving. Still curious to see what UW and OU end up doing.
I hear a lot of scuttlebutt that people aren't done abandoning the PAC12 here in BIG country. Lots of talk about Oregon and Washington most likely joining and some squawking about Cal and Stanford. I don't have any real contacts in any ADs, but friends of friends of friends in IU and Purdue Athletic departments saying the BIG is not done and wants to add more western markets. Talk of 20 teams, two 10 team divisions, and four 5 team conference with a divisional championship game before the conference championship game.
If that's the case then I have to think the rumors of ASU/UofA,/Utah/Colorado to the Big12 makes a ton of sense, and I really think that if we get into a Pac12, it will really just be the MWC + Wazoo and Oregon State, I guess that will be a 'better conference' but there's no way it's a P5.
I do think the speculation is fun, but I've been a rebel fan too long to think we're getting any sort of Power 5 invite. We missed that window having to deal with state bureaucracy and general shortsightedness and incompetence means we are what we are.
If that's the case then I have to think the rumors of ASU/UofA,/Utah/Colorado to the Big12 makes a ton of sense, and I really think that if we get into a Pac12, it will really just be the MWC + Wazoo and Oregon State, I guess that will be a 'better conference' but there's no way it's a P5.
I do think the speculation is fun, but I've been a rebel fan too long to think we're getting any sort of Power 5 invite. We missed that window having to deal with state bureaucracy and general shortsightedness and incompetence means we are what we are.
Oregon and UW want to go to Big 10, Big 12 does nothing for them, outside of OK State who is salty about being left behind, there's really nothing left in Football, Baylor is ok, Kansas is great in Hoops, doesn't move the needle.
I heard ASU/UA/Utah/Colorado to Big 12, but none of them move the needle, with ESPN out of Big 10, they will have money, especially to have late night games to fill, so I believe they will have a say if PAC dissolves, but it all depends on if Big 10 wants 20, and especially if they can get N. Dame, Big 10 wants Academic Schools and markets, and Stanford/Cal feel the bill for San Francisco, UW in Seattle does nothing, I believe they will take Stanford/Cal and say we got our 4 west coast teams, if ESPN puts money that basically equals Big 12, the rest of PAC stay and if UNLV gets in will be way better then they have with my guess the Aztecs and that's it, the rest of MWC can combine with WAC.
BSU is no longer a power in Football, they haven't won MWC in 3 years now, they don't have sports teams either, I don't see them being a factor.
One wild scenario is if PAC decided to take Gonzaga for Basketball, to keep the league fairly strong in hoops, it's outside the box and ESPN loves Gonzaga.
The fools on Maryland Parkway have been total disaster for 30 years.
I heard ASU/UA/Utah/Colorado to Big 12, but none of them move the needle, with ESPN out of Big 10, they will have money, especially to have late night games to fill, so I believe they will have a say if PAC dissolves, but it all depends on if Big 10 wants 20, and especially if they can get N. Dame, Big 10 wants Academic Schools and markets, and Stanford/Cal feel the bill for San Francisco, UW in Seattle does nothing, I believe they will take Stanford/Cal and say we got our 4 west coast teams, if ESPN puts money that basically equals Big 12, the rest of PAC stay and if UNLV gets in will be way better then they have with my guess the Aztecs and that's it, the rest of MWC can combine with WAC.
BSU is no longer a power in Football, they haven't won MWC in 3 years now, they don't have sports teams either, I don't see them being a factor.
One wild scenario is if PAC decided to take Gonzaga for Basketball, to keep the league fairly strong in hoops, it's outside the box and ESPN loves Gonzaga.
The fools on Maryland Parkway have been total disaster for 30 years.
Yeah, that's what I heard. When I say BIG country, I'm in Indiana.
For the BIG 12 they beat any of the other AAC or Conference USA schools left on the table. You get access to 3 top 40 media markets where those schools have big penetration (Phoenix, Denver, Salt Lake City). The only reason that the BIG isn't interested as much is that they have a little buyers remorse over Rutgers/Maryland/Nebraska's athletic contribution.
Notre Dame has turned down the BIG many times, they think that being an independent right now will let them control their own destiny--and those ND alumni are a lot more traditional than you'd think. I heard that as things right now the only conference that ND would even consider is the SEC.
It's a top 20 public University in the us and the Seattle/Tacoma market is I think 14th. Athletically they've been average recently....but really so have Stanford and Cal.
I think the interesting curveball is both Washington and Oregon state legislatures are advancing legislation that Washington State and Washington, and Oregon State and Oregon have to stay in the conference.
And I don't think they're going to start taking 'Basketball Only' schools, or a school like Boise State which makes UNLV look like the Harvard of the west.
The BIG will do something to create a Western pod.
I thing Oregon, UW will be in, Stanford Id assume too. Cal would be next but I think it depends on what ND does, If they doent join then Cal gets in now. IF they do join then Cal may get it when ACC teams become available or may never get in.
Pac will not be the Pac. I think they ultimately add some Big12 schools like Baylor, Ok ST, Kansas, etc. MAybe take SDSU from the MWC.
I thing Oregon, UW will be in, Stanford Id assume too. Cal would be next but I think it depends on what ND does, If they doent join then Cal gets in now. IF they do join then Cal may get it when ACC teams become available or may never get in.
Pac will not be the Pac. I think they ultimately add some Big12 schools like Baylor, Ok ST, Kansas, etc. MAybe take SDSU from the MWC.
We gotta get in to the pac12 or big 12. Our AD needs to make it her mission
Her?
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I’m afraid that if we were to get into the PAC, it won’t be a whole lot better than where we’re at now. Don’t see the Big 12 happening either.
If UNLV gets into the PAC, the only schools left will be Oregon St and Wazzu. Meaning the four go to the BIG, and then Utah, UA, ASU and CU go to the Big12 . Or the PAC will take Big12 schools like Baylor, Ok St, Kansas and a few others leaving the leftover Big12 as a landing spot for UNLV.Her?
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I’m afraid that if we were to get into the PAC, it won’t be a whole lot better than where we’re at now. Don’t see the Big 12 happening either.
I do think they end up in one or the other depending on which league gets the schools I just mentioned but that conference that UNLV goes to won’t be a P5 (or P4) conference, it will be join the leftovers.
I don’t give a shite what conference we are in or who we play, I just want to be able to watch us on tv
Thank god we don’t have “her” anymore.
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IMO it will ultimately come down to the BIG and the SEC and then everyone else. Also, the ultimate future of the PAC will hinge on whether the TV execs see value from a programing perspective in keeping the PAC as a west coast conference intact. For example, if the TV money in the left over PAC 8 plus 4 new schools is the same as moving to the Big 12 why would UA, ASU, UU and UC leave?
First I agree that the SEC and Big will be head of the rest.
But there will be second and third tiers up for grabs that UNLV can try for which will certainly be an upgrade from where they currently stand.
As for the money, I guess it depends on the current TV contracts and thier language/stipulations. I was a little confused on why they pushed to get a new Pac 12 contract knowing change was about to come. I'm guessing to try to prevent more schools from leaving. That being I'm guessing that the new PAC deal still would not compete with a mega BIG contract. Perhaps it would be better than leaving for the Big 12? But if Oregon and UW leave does that void their new contract? I would think so since it really guts the remaining value of the league.
If the PAC 12 share the same TV partners as the Big 12, which have in the past, not sure if they still do, it would not make much sense for them to cannabalize one league for another, when it ultimately will hurt the networks' bottom line.
In 2-5 years the MWC will turn into the Big Sky or WAC. If UNLV has not moved on to the Pac 12 or Big 12, we will most likely be playing in a conference with unr, Montana, New Mexico and UTEP!
If Oregon, Washingto, Cal, Stanford, UofA, ASU, Ut and Colorado leave, what good would the Pac-12 be? Maybe the idea would be start a new league with Wazzu, Oreg St, the best of the Mtn West and whomever else can be scrounged up so we can get rid of Thompson and then who knows, maybe a little more money per school?
The issue with the Oregon and Washington schools, from what I understand, is that the state legislature is working on putting something in place that requires the schools to stay with their other state school. Meaning, UW and WSU need to stay together, and Oregon and OSU similarly. I don't know if they have authority to do that, or how long it would take to make that happen, but it could certainly throw a monkey wrench in a lot of these conference changing plans.
While USC has had a lot of good years, UCLA isn't much more than a door mat in the Pac-12. UCLA has had as many losing seasons over the last couple of decades as winning seasons. In my personal belief if the Pac-12 went after SDSU, UNLV, Houston, SMU, etc., they could more than make up for the loss of UCLA and USC. The bigger question is how many other programs from the Big-12 or Pac-12 will be snatched by the SEC and Big 10? As for the MWC, it is a sinking ship with the same captain that sailed the Exxon Valdez!
It looks like the game against California could be one of the most important games in the last decade in regards to putting UNLV in a place where they will be considered for Big 12 or Pac 12 expansion or reorganization!
As for the MWC, does anyone belief the moron running this conference will ever do anything pro-active? He is too busy counting his money from his paycheck to worry about what happens to the MWC. Craig Thompson has been in charge of the MWC since 1998, and with very few exceptions, has done nothing but react after it is too late as we watch BYU, Utah, and TCU all leave the conference in 2011 and 2012.
It looks like the game against California could be one of the most important games in the last decade in regards to putting UNLV in a place where they will be considered for Big 12 or Pac 12 expansion or reorganization!
As for the MWC, does anyone belief the moron running this conference will ever do anything pro-active? He is too busy counting his money from his paycheck to worry about what happens to the MWC. Craig Thompson has been in charge of the MWC since 1998, and with very few exceptions, has done nothing but react after it is too late as we watch BYU, Utah, and TCU all leave the conference in 2011 and 2012.
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This. We have to have a seat when the music stops. Big12 or pac12 or bust
Doesn’t Oregon have one of those rules where they have to play in the same conference as OSU?
Both Washington and Oregon are attempting to pass laws that require both schools in each state to stay in the same conference, but I do not believe anything has been approved as of yet.
Got it thanks, for some reason I thought they had that already. UNLV/Reno do?
Sources: Gonzaga in talks on joining Big 12
Gonzaga is in talks with the Big 12 about the possibility of joining the conference, sources told ESPN.
Lots of talk today about SDSU to the PAC. Might not happen this week but it sounds like it’s going to happen soon.
Sure would have been nice to beat SDSU yesterday. Also would have been nice to beat a bottom tier PAC team Cal earlier this year too. We could have at least shown we wouldn’t be a complete doormat in the PAC.
Sure would have been nice to beat SDSU yesterday. Also would have been nice to beat a bottom tier PAC team Cal earlier this year too. We could have at least shown we wouldn’t be a complete doormat in the PAC.
Funny thing is I can't find any reports of any other school being invited to join with the PAC-12 along STDSU. Would they really only expand by 1 school? It's always been in pairs.
Hope we also get Invited!
Mixed reports surface of San Diego State moving to the Pac-12
Mixed reports have surfaced regarding San Diego State moving to the Pac-12
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The Oregon beat writer mentioned UNLV today. He’s pretty dialed in on things. Doesn’t mean we’re 12 but at least we’re in the conversation.
Here’s the quote from his article today.
“The Pac-12 still has to finish off its media rights negotiations and learn UCLA’s fate (UC Regents meet Nov. 15-17) before the conference can proceed with serious consideration of San Diego State, SMU, UNLV and others.”
Here’s the quote from his article today.
“The Pac-12 still has to finish off its media rights negotiations and learn UCLA’s fate (UC Regents meet Nov. 15-17) before the conference can proceed with serious consideration of San Diego State, SMU, UNLV and others.”
This does not make sense to me. If I was a tv broadcasting company I would not know what to bid not knowing the schools in the conference.
