Odom leaving for WVU?

[Bullmastiff 1]

If Marion does go to a P4 program, virtually every young FCS and G5 offensive coordinator will want to come here. Not a worry at all.

Yes two things can both be true.

Marion is doing a fantastic job.

And

Odom should be able to find a quality replacement.

But anybody saying the offense isn't as good as last year is flat out wrong. It's just different. Which means he and his offensive scheme can adapt and be productive. A lot of coordinators are married to o e philosophy. He doesn't appear to be.

 

[j. spilotro]

Sure but we had Bryant last year to pad stats.

Every metric points to the offense being more productive than last year. We're just doing it differently this season. Last year more balanced, and more big plays downfield. This year leaning on the run game more.

He adjusted/tweaked offense to the skill set of his QB. His offesnse is versatile enough to adjust and be just as effective.

I just think people are selling what we're doing on offense a little short.

Here's another stat. We are top 20 in the country in number of offensive plays that have gone for 20+ and 30+ yards.

Seems pretty good for an offense that people are saying they don't see as being very innovative.

Point being perception and reality not always in sync.

But you are discounting short fields and very short fields, I don’t know the comparison to last year to be honest, but we’ve had a ton of them. Even if we are a +40 point difference on Ricky’s blocks and some in close INTS and fumbled snaps, etc. that takes away 4 ppg.

But to be honest, I don’t know where that stands.

Still, the offense is clunky and predicable and hasn’t been good in the red zone compared to last season. I do agree it’s because Hajj and Sluka are subpar passers and it takes away a dimension where as last year, a dimension of a running QB was removed but our runners were better last season. And I don’t know that we are actually progressing offensively, seems like we’ve hit a lull.

I’d rather be a run first team anyhow.

I’d rather have him stay (Marion) and continue to develop. That his eyes are wide open for other jobs and he makes no bones about it, in fact has camps that push it … I want his heart here and now, not elsewhere.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

But you are discounting short fields and very short fields, I don’t know the comparison to last year to be honest, but we’ve had a ton of them. Even if we are a +40 point difference on Ricky’s blocks and some in close INTS and fumbled snaps, etc. that takes away 4 ppg.

But to be honest, I don’t know where that stands.

Still, the offense is clunky and predicable and hasn’t been good in the red zone compared to last season. I do agree it’s because Hajj and Sluka are subpar passers and it takes away a dimension where as last year, a dimension of a running QB was removed but our runners were better last season. And I don’t know that we are actually progressing offensively, seems like we’ve hit a lull.

I’d rather be a run first team anyhow.

I’d rather have him stay (Marion) and continue to develop. That his eyes are wide open for other jobs and he makes no bones about it, in fact has camps that push it … I want his heart here and now, not elsewhere.

I'm not discounting those factors at all. Those are huge components to our success.

But even with being gifted with a lot of short fields we are still averaging more yards per game vs last year.

And for all the talk of the offense being choppy compared to last year the numbers don't seem to support that.

This offense is still creating explosive plays. We're top 20 in both gains of 20+ and 30+ yards. Those are 'chunk' plays. Considering how much we run the ball that's pretty impressive don't you think?.

I get it doesn't look the same as last year.

The closer you are to 50/50 pass/run ratio the more 'diverse' your offense appears. But with Sluka and even Hajj this offense was going to be much more run heavy. Bring safeties in and then hit big gains in the pass game.

This is the third week in a row teams sold out vs the run at some point in the game and it didn't matter. Rebs just beat them up physically.

I think where we've made the biggest strides is defensively.

Cutting over a TD against per game is huge. Cutting 60 yards per game is also big. That's basically eliminating 6 first downs or those 2 or 3 deep passes that plagued us all of last year.

 

[j. spilotro]

I'm not discounting those factors at all. Those are huge components to our success.

But even with being gifted with a lot of short fields we are still averaging more yards per game vs last year.

And for all the talk of the offense being choppy compared to last year the numbers don't seem to support that.

This offense is still creating explosive plays. We're top 20 in both gains of 20+ and 30+ yards. Those are 'chunk' plays. Considering how much we run the ball that's pretty impressive don't you think?.

I get it doesn't look the same as last year.

The closer you are to 50/50 pass/run ratio the more 'diverse' your offense appears. But with Sluka and even Hajj this offense was going to be much more run heavy. Bring safeties in and then hit big gains in the pass game.

This is the third week in a row teams sold out vs the run at some point in the game and it didn't matter. Rebs just beat them up physically.

I think where we've made the biggest strides is defensively.

Cutting over a TD against per game is huge. Cutting 60 yards per game is also big. That's basically eliminating 6 first downs or those 2 or 3 deep passes that plagued us all of last year.

I’d agree with the defense.

This years team is better. To me, I think the offense is lesser … not considering stats, but the fluidity, field spread, passing and running. I like our backs more than last year.

I think the current team is better … because of the defense. Far from perfect, several games come to mind. But they’ve saved a less than efficient (imo) offense more than once. I don’t recall that happening last year.

I really don’t like guys that think they deserve to be the Notre Dame head coach right now. Really rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I’d agree with the defense.

This years team is better. To me, I think the offense is lesser … not considering stats, but the fluidity, field spread, passing and running. I like our backs more than last year.

I think the current team is better … because of the defense. Far from perfect, several games come to mind. But they’ve saved a less than efficient (imo) offense more than once. I don’t recall that happening last year.

I really don’t like guys that think they deserve to be the Notre Dame head coach right now. Really rubs me the wrong way.

Fair enough.

One thing I haven't liked was Marion's rotation of backs. I feel like RBs kinda need touches to get warmed up. But he's proved me wrong. He went Jet early. Gave Kylin a series or two. Back to Jet. And then complete curveball goes with Burrell a true freshman to close out the game. In each instance the RBs were all successful and kept it rolling.

 

[InZoneU]

Sure but we had Bryant last year to pad stats.

Every metric points to the offense being more productive than last year. We're just doing it differently this season. Last year more balanced, and more big plays downfield. This year leaning on the run game more.

He adjusted/tweaked offense to the skill set of his QB. His offesnse is versatile enough to adjust and be just as effective.

I just think people are selling what we're doing on offense a little short.

Here's another stat. We are top 20 in the country in number of offensive plays that have gone for 20+ and 30+ yards.

Seems pretty good for an offense that people are saying they don't see as being very innovative.

Point being perception and reality not always in sync.

LMFAO

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

LMFAO

What's funny?

We average more yards per game this year vs last.
We average more points per game this year vs last.
We are in the top 10 to 30 in the country in explosive plays. Plays that go for +20 yards +30 and +40 yards.
Top 10 in points per game.
Top 10 in rush yards per game.
Top 20 passing efficiency
The offense has been good two years in a row with different QB types.

For all your claims of it not being 'innovative' it sure seems to be doing some pretty innovative things.

 

[dcut03]

The numbers of the offense are good. I don't think we can argue that.

I think the offense is objectively good too.

But I think most of us agree that it could be better. Redzone efficiency has been a problem, and we have often just stall and become completely ineffective at times in games. We have had slow starts but strong finishes. We struggle to run between the tackles especially early in games, we've struggled in pass pro at times, and it feels like we don't spread the ball around as much, when it feels like we have more talent than just Ricky. The run offense is heavily skewed by QB scrambles which makes the numbers a bit misleading.

On paper you'd think we would be a better offensive than defensive team, but that is probably not the case.

All of that being said, I like that we have Marion, and I would rather have him than practically anyone else right now. If he wanted to stay I would be very happy.

 

[Masked_rebel]

The UNC job just opened up...

 

[RebelinWA]

I'm not discounting those factors at all. Those are huge components to our success.

But even with being gifted with a lot of short fields we are still averaging more yards per game vs last year.

And for all the talk of the offense being choppy compared to last year the numbers don't seem to support that.

This offense is still creating explosive plays. We're top 20 in both gains of 20+ and 30+ yards. Those are 'chunk' plays. Considering how much we run the ball that's pretty impressive don't you think?.

I get it doesn't look the same as last year.

The closer you are to 50/50 pass/run ratio the more 'diverse' your offense appears. But with Sluka and even Hajj this offense was going to be much more run heavy. Bring safeties in and then hit big gains in the pass game.

This is the third week in a row teams sold out vs the run at some point in the game and it didn't matter. Rebs just beat them up physically.

I think where we've made the biggest strides is defensively.

Cutting over a TD against per game is huge. Cutting 60 yards per game is also big. That's basically eliminating 6 first downs or those 2 or 3 deep passes that plagued us all of last year.

Defense for sure has great improvement. But I'll disagree with you and say that that our special teams are most improved; and not in the usual “special” UNLV way. They've become an asset that has bailed out both our offense and defense several times this season. From a schematic and coaching perspective; Shibest is the best in the nation. All teams have talent somewhere. Shibest convinced his talent that special teams are important. I believe Ricky White's blocked punts alone will make him go a round earlier in the draft.

 

[bcvegaspt2]

The UNC job just opened up...

I saw this after I made the new thread.

 

[rebelzzz]

I dont see Odom going to UNC. For football one of those middle to lower end of the conference with not much patience. I think if he leaves UNLV it would be more of a program that has a better chance to succeed

 

[Masked_rebel]

I just dont see him eager to leave what hes building here... Maybe Im selfish and blinded by our own selfish needs, but I dont see him eager to leave just to go and be in the middle of the pack in the ACC or Big 12 just because they throw money at him. Does he take the call, probably, but I think he has clearly seen a pathway that makes his program nationally relevant without the huge expectations the P4 stuff brings..

 

[ckfitz]

I just dont see him eager to leave what hes building here... Maybe Im selfish and blinded by our own selfish needs, but I dont see him eager to leave just to go and be in the middle of the pack in the ACC or Big 12 just because they throw money at him. Does he take the call, probably, but I think he has clearly seen a pathway that makes his program nationally relevant without the huge expectations the P4 stuff brings..

I don't think that you're being selfish at all. I think that there's something to be said for Coach Odom seeing the success he's having here and the satisfaction of building a nationally recognized strong program. It reminds me of when Tark came to town. But, be forewarned, the administration and boosters are going to have to step up and reward him for the job that he's doing. BTW, did you see the study that UNLV did which showed that UNLV's football contributes $100 million to the local economy? Is the timing just a coincidence?

 

[Rebel_Luv]

I just dont see him eager to leave what hes building here... Maybe Im selfish and blinded by our own selfish needs, but I dont see him eager to leave just to go and be in the middle of the pack in the ACC or Big 12 just because they throw money at him. Does he take the call, probably, but I think he has clearly seen a pathway that makes his program nationally relevant without the huge expectations the P4 stuff brings..

Well if it true his wife is still living in Arkansas then yea hes gone. IMO. Still might be. Make too much sense. I think he waiting for the right opening. IMO i think our DC will get a serious look. When Odom leaves he left us in a much MUCH better situation then when he got here. Hopefully UNLV does not pull a Rollie on us.

Not going into a better conference. Like the P-12 only hurts recruiting and make his job all that harder. Unless there is some masterplan and plans on using all that buyout money for NIL and pay raises for his staff this might be where we plateau .

 

[Masked_rebel]

Well if it true his wife is still living in Arkansas then yea hes gone. IMO. Still might be. Make too much sense. I think he waiting for the right opening. IMO i think our DC will get a serious look. When Odom leaves he left us in a much MUCH better situation then when he got here. Hopefully UNLV does not pull a Rollie on us.

Not going into a better conference. Like the P-12 only hurts recruiting and make his job all that harder. Unless there is some masterplan and plans on using all that buyout money for NIL and pay raises for his staff this might be where we plateau .

Wasnt she only living there because his kids were still in school there and then they were planning on relocating.. Hes coming here next year so I imagine that she would follow along with the daughter? .

 

[RebelinWA]

Wasnt she only living there because his kids were still in school there and then they were planning on relocating.. Hes coming here next year so I imagine that she would follow along with the daughter? .

I believe it was his son and wife that went back. I’ll have to double check, but his daughter might still be at Palo.

 

[Masked_rebel]

I believe it was his son and wife that went back. I’ll have to double check, but his daughter might still be at Palo.

I wasn't sure... I think he went back because the football was better right? And then he commits to UNLV and so I'd think his wife and son both move back here...

 

[reagan21]

He committed to UNLV and then moved back to Arkansas.

 

[RebelinWA]

I wasn't sure... I think he went back because the football was better right? And then he commits to UNLV and so I'd think his wife and son both move back here...

I think his son just wanted to finish out his senior year with the kids he’s been playing with for awhile. Don’t quote me on that; but that’s what I heard. I don’t know he quite “fit” into the Sanford’s football scheme at Faith. Fantastic runner, but he didn’t have the best arm.

 

[LVRebel2000]

He committed to UNLV and then moved back to Arkansas.

He went back to finish his Senior year with his previous team, right? He's a 2025 graduate, so I'd guess that if Coach Odom stays at UNLV, there's a good chance his son Garyt comes here also. However, if Coach Odom leaves, I'd guess that he'd follow to wherever his dad went. Purely speculation though

 

[Pistol Pete 1]

Wasnt she only living there because his kids were still in school there and then they were planning on relocating.. Hes coming here next year so I imagine that she would follow along with the daughter? .

Yes

 

[Pistol Pete 1]

I think he's a big family guy & wants everybody together & wants to see his boys get a chance to play. Would his sons have a chance to play at a big time SEC program? Maybe not but I am sure they have a reasonable shot here.

 

[unlove]

I don't think that you're being selfish at all. I think that there's something to be said for Coach Odom seeing the success he's having here and the satisfaction of building a nationally recognized strong program. It reminds me of when Tark came to town. But, be forewarned, the administration and boosters are going to have to step up and reward him for the job that he's doing. BTW, did you see the study that UNLV did which showed that UNLV's football contributes $100 million to the local economy? Is the timing just a coincidence?

Missed the study. Can you post a link?

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

The UNC job just opened up...

I don’t see UNC one of those perpetually open jobs.

 

[ckfitz]

Missed the study. Can you post a link?

Sorry, I don't remember...