We all know that. We also all know that twatter from a rando is not a reliable source of info to send everyone into a tailspin. There will be lots more bs like this btw.
Odom leaving for WVU?
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I'm sure like I said, his name is going to be included in every list for every job opening from here till January... and each time there will be a thread where UNLV fans bash on AD not having money or fundraising or NIL etc to beat out "X" P4 school and how we will instantly tank and how the MWC sucks and no good coach would want to be here, etc, etc...
That was more rhetorical than anything. Im saying is why dont we have a BIGGER buyout and lock him up for 7 years?? That is what concerns me. It not done for a reason. IMO.
I want to lock up Harper, too.
Don't forget how solid of a hire he made. That and he did redo Odom's contract last season.
I know that MBB isn't good but, to get into a P5, MBB doesn't matter.
Don't forget how solid of a hire he made. That and he did redo Odom's contract last season.
I know that MBB isn't good but, to get into a P5, MBB doesn't matter.
4 mill is not enough. Our extension last year was basically a reset of his first contract. We need to give him a proper raise, add some years to that bad boy, and raise that buyout to the entirety of the contract which should be north of 20 mil.
That won't scare off the best jobs from taking him, but it may protect us from these mid level P4 jobs that Odom is less likely to want.
That won't scare off the best jobs from taking him, but it may protect us from these mid level P4 jobs that Odom is less likely to want.
Wasn't my line, its what Michael Irvin said Deion would want after talking to him. No clue if they actually had a conversation or if Irvin was taking something out of context. But Deion himself said he wanted to mold where Shedeur ends up.
UNLV put in the work. We have a nice stadium, a fantastic football facility, and most importantly we have sustained success. If we can't find the boosters to sustain what Odom has done; we'll be talking about the glory days of 23-24 in 30 years long after Odom has left. He will leave or retire eventually. I doubt WVU has any legs; but it is inevitable. The most important job any person has at whatever job they do is to get ready for their next job. I don't see a reason why Odom would stop to settle in so he can retire here.
Solid buyout if he leaves this year and can then flip that to another big time coach
Thoughts?
Isn't "forever grateful" something you say to your favorite teacher in a high school graduation speech before going off to college?
Isn't "forever grateful" something you say to your favorite teacher in a high school graduation speech before going off to college?
Keep Odom. Foundation is set. Scherer is the key.
Marion will be shopping himself as soon as the horn sounds from the Reno game. He will likely stay on if we play in the MWC Championship game since we will have a chance at the CFP. If we don't play in the Championship game, I think that UNR will be Marion's last with us.
Me too. And it’ll take some adjustment without him.
Last year was more go go, up tempo. This year isn’t nearly as fast and not nearly as versatile. I wouldn’t say traditional but more predictable. We’ve veered a little bit from what we were to a more common look.
If we have the horses in the trenches and skill players, it’s not like it’s the wizardry of Marion putting points on the board. If we have the players, we should be fine. That said, I really DO like having multiple RB looks, I DO like having a QB that can make things happen with his legs, the RPO.
When it’s all said and done, Odom is the most important piece because more than style, tempo … it’s been the mindset, the installation of a strong foundation that’s leading us towards being a program instead of just a team … that’s a program architect, that’s a head coach. Assistants come and go, very little is “new” or innovative, it’s take from here, take from there. I don’t think any assistant is irreplaceable. It’s not rocket science. Can they be on the same page as Odom with his philosophy and expectations, can they reach the players.
Even Odom isn’t irreplaceable. But if he is replaced, I want it to be with a program builder, not an up and comer, not a hotshot with big words, not a stellar recruiter … focused, driven, poised builder.
That said, we have to do what we can to keep him, but if money is his thing and a P5 wants him, really wants him, we can’t compete. A bidding war that you can’t win isn’t a war worth having.
I don't see anything Marion is doing now is worth worrying about keeping him. The offense we run is not innovative by any means. The defense and ST routinely puts the O in great positions to put up the points we do.
If he were to leave now is the best time with all the turnover you won’t have to teach a QB a new offense.
Harper needs to be working on the Quan. Odom needs more money. It's embarrassing we have a top 25 ranking in all the polls and he barely makes $2 million with bonuses. Harper needs to fix this NOW. Vegas needs to help. Vegas getting a ton of free advertising with all the publicity. If the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority able to give every ACE's player a $100,000 for this past season and next season they should be able to come up with a million for the UNLV Coaches Retention Fund. Odom is getting Las Vegas mentioned in all the College Football sporting world. Vegas don't **** this up.
Odom has had successful OCs every time he's had to hire one.. I'm not worried about Marion leaving, the Go-Go sounds cool to sell kids, but it's looked alot less Go-Go and more traditional RPO/triple option, with a few deep shots. The next OC will probably be able to provide just as much excitement to the offense, Odom doesn't do the boring stuff, lol.
I thought it was gimmicky/innovative/unique last year … the sidecars … and we did it with a QB that doesn’t move well. But yeah, we have fallen back into the mean of what the vast majority of offenses play. And we struggle pretty badly in the red zone.
But the guy can recruit. But even that is replaceable now that everything is pretty much NIL driven.
The key is and always has been Odom, not Marion, not Scherer.
IMO UNLV needs to go all in to keep Odom
Agree 100%. Coordinators almost never stay at good programs. Especially younger ones. Bot Marion and Scherer will leave at some point if they continue to produce. New guys will come in and will leave as well. It’s a great problem to have and one we’ve never had before. We are successful because of Odom, not the “go-go”. He is the one we need to prioritize. He too will be difficult to keep though if he wants to get back into a P4 spot. Really depends what he wants at this point in his career.
Top 10 in rushing in the country.
It's like when people say 'Army's offesnse is so simple. It's actually not. A ton of different things are done off similiar looks'
I swear if we were top 10 passing offense people would think how innovative and multiple the Go-Go offense was.
Marion said from the start It's an offense based on a downhill running game.
Can Marion be replaced? Of course.
But I'm currently enjoying being top 10 in scoring offense and all these rushing yards. Yeah red zone has been an issue to some degree. Other than that kinda hard to complain about the results.
Good I hope he continues to unimpress you and we continue to be a top ten team in rushing and scoring.
Seriously. Cannot take for granted what Marion and our team has been doing. Unprecedented in our history.
Keep Odom, our AD, and the ST coach. ST getting good results is so against the norm of what we usually experience. I’ve been so used to giving up return game touchdowns but now I’m very relaxed when we kick off and punt.
The key to keeping Odom is getting in the big 12. He will leave eventually if UNLV doesn't get into a power 4 conference. It's the only way UNLV can afford to pay him.
Can Odom find another OC who can put up big numbers. Sure.
But we have one now and people are like 'meh'.
I’m relatively indifferent because red zone and predictability this year. Last year I really liked the mix.
I’m far less enthused about our offensive prowess this year. Last year felt oiled, this year it’s clanky.
Plus, I’m not all that high on guys that have a foot out the door before they even step on campus. I think it damages team unity. You need all in. That sours me as much as anything.
Not saying he’s not a factor in our success, he is. But I do think it’s a more easily replaceable factor than the head coach. If Arroyo was here and Marion was OC, we still suck. If Odom has Arroyos OC, we are still competing.
WVU currently up 21-7 at half.
They have a 5-5 record this season. Over the last five years their record is around .500.
Their history says that they can be better than this but they aren’t horrible right now. Do you break it down?
They have a 5-5 record this season. Over the last five years their record is around .500.
Their history says that they can be better than this but they aren’t horrible right now. Do you break it down?
I see what you did there.
I’d also worry about UCF. Malzahn has been there since 2021 with a 21-14 record overall. This season they are 4-6. I could see them parting ways with him.
Assistant coaches (most) are auditioning for bigger jobs..
Last year we had a less mobile QB with solid arm skill.
This year we have a more mobile QB with less arm skill.
For all the 'clunkiness' we are averaging more yards and more points than last year. (About 10. And about 4 more points)
It just looks different because we aren't getting as many explosive plays in the passing game.
And I think we're all in agreement this is a tougher schedule.
Can Marion be replaced, of course, but outside of red zone offense maybe, really hard for me to complain about the results.
The biggest jump statistically is our defense is giving up over a TD less per game and about 60 less yards per game which is massive.
If Hajj played weeks 1-3 he'd be pushing 2k in the air and 1k on the ground.
Like everyone I think Odom is the key but also don’t look past our offensive success and Marion has to get some credit for that. We have definitely ran the ball well the last two seasons.
We also lead the country in blocked punts and are near the top country in turnover margin. Both of those help your average greatly, plus we scored 243 points vs Utah Tech.
Actually Ricky White by himself would lead the country in blocked punts!
If Marion does go to a P4 program, virtually every young FCS and G5 offensive coordinator will want to come here. Not a worry at all.
Sure but we had Bryant last year to pad stats.
Every metric points to the offense being more productive than last year. We're just doing it differently this season. Last year more balanced, and more big plays downfield. This year leaning on the run game more.
He adjusted/tweaked offense to the skill set of his QB. His offesnse is versatile enough to adjust and be just as effective.
I just think people are selling what we're doing on offense a little short.
Here's another stat. We are top 20 in the country in number of offensive plays that have gone for 20+ and 30+ yards.
Seems pretty good for an offense that people are saying they don't see as being very innovative.
Point being perception and reality not always in sync.
