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Estimate for MWC media deal

You still try to get Memphis and or Tulane if you could.

There is a big reason that those were their first targets coming out, the PAC's media partners value them the most.

I'm sure the addition of Utah State diluted the pool some, but if you went out and got Memphis, the payouts would not drop which is the most important thing. If it was going to be 12 mil with the AAC 4, with Memphis likely the best valuation of the 4, then sure 11 mil per school is very likely.

Again, we are not talking about true market value here, it is what the media partners are willing to pay. Those are not mutually exclusive.

I saw a tweet somewhere that the current valuation of the PAC per school was 14 mil after Octagon. No idea if that is all BS or not, honestly I am leaning that way. But, it is possible that Octagon was able to bring in an additional partner that sweetened the pot a bit.
Octagon/ Navigate are consultants. One is expansion strategy, and the other is for the media valuation negotiation aspect. Both are highly respected in industry.
 
MW Bylaws


4 Resignation.


  1. Any Member Institution may resign from membership in the Conference (such resigning
  2. Member Institution, the "Resigning Member") June 30th of each year (the "Effective Date") by delivering (i) written notice (the "Exit Notice") to the Conference and the other Member Institutions on or before June 1st of the preceding year (the "Resignation Deadline") and (ii) a non-refundable $5,000 payment by wire transfer of immediately available funds to an account specified by the Conference (the "Exit Deposit" and, together with the Exit Notice, the "Notice of Resignation") that will be applied to the Exit Fee (as defined below). Both the Exit Notice and the Exit Deposit must be received for the Notice of Resignation to become effective. The period from the date the Resigning Member delivers the Notice of Resignation (such date, the
    "Resignation Date") through the Effective Date is referred to herein as the "Interim Period." The resignation of a Member Institution does not relieve such Resigning Member Institution from any obligations such Resigning Member Institution may have to the Conference as a result of obligations incurred or commitments made prior to the Effective Date. (Revised June 2011, April 2021, December 2023)
  3. The Resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an exit fee an amount equal to three (3) times the average per Member Institution Conference distribution payment for the year preceding the Effective Date (the "Timely Notice Exit Fee"). If a Resigning Member delivers a Notice of Resignation after the Resignation Deadline, the Resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an exit fee an amount equal to double the Timely Notice Exit Fee (the "Late Notice Exit Fee" and, together with the Timely Notice Exit Fee, each an "Exit Fee"). After receiving a Notice of Resignation from a Resigning Member, all payments due to that Resigning Member from the Conference shall be withheld and shall offset and be applied to that Resigning Member's Exit Fee. The balance of such Resigning Member's Exit Fee, as provided above, shall be paid by the Resigning Member to the Conference by wire transfer of immediately available funds to an account specified by the Conference on or before the Effective Date. (Revised June 2011, January 2013, July 2016, April 2021, (Editorial Revisions, December 2023)

Conference Bylaws - 2


(c) A Resigning Member shall play all athletic competitions included in the Conference schedules until the Effective Date. (Editorial Revision, December 2023)


(c) Effective as of the Resignation Date, any person appointed by a Resigning Member that is serving on the Board of Directors, any committee of the Conference or otherwise serving as an officer of the Conference shall be deemed to have resigned in such capacity. (Editorial Revisions, December 2023)


So as it sits, based on my reading, is that NO payments will be made. Since that IS the rule then that would be how things go UNLESS they can come to some sort of settlement agreement OR get a judge to issue an injunction or ruling in the traitors favor.

Even then, the MW would appeal the decision and any payments would likely be frozen as a result.

The only payment plan I could see happening would be for any fees not collected by the MW as a result of the withholding of media payments.
Thank you for sharing.

So reading this, I would imagine that no school has provided the written notice and exit deposit yet. It makes no sense to do that, you just lose money.

I would imagine they will do it this summer to be compliant and not open the door for doubled fees.

So in the summer next year we "might" have up to 55 mil in poaching fees + 25k from deposits. I have no idea what the payment schedule is for media rights. Are they larger payments done annually, quarterly, monthly? No idea but that plays a role.

If payment are annual then a large chunk of money may be collected, and the 61 mil threshold could be met, and MW may pay that lump sum.

However, that probably isn't the best practice. Since those exit fees will be contested and negotiated down somewhat. Now i think it is pretty safe that it will be at least 1 year media value per school, but again that is not guaranteed.

Also if the exit fees being contested in a lawsuit, I can see an injunction being made in the traitor's behalf. Just because again, they are still a part of this conference and the document that allows the the MW to withhold money is being contested. So if anything is going to be "frozen" I would guess it would be the the idea of withholding the payouts. I would guess the 5k gets collected regardless.
 
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Possibly. The poaching fee hearing is set for March. So, things get started with that one. That one alone may give the Pac enough money to make some of the moves with Memphis. Memphis or UNLV in the Pac would increase the media payout. Would they settle for possibly a lower payout with 7 teams or wait for a larger payout. The Pac seems to be about more money so I can see them waiting. Waiting is what they are doing now anyway. If the money from the media was already there they would have already gone for it.
If it stays in the courts March is irrelevant… to get to any sort of adjudication would take months, and then there are the appeals.

They could be hoping for a settlement sooner, but they’re not getting the poaching fees nullified in any short time frame.
 
Octagon/ Navigate are consultants. One is expansion strategy, and the other is for the media valuation negotiation aspect. Both are highly respected in industry.
And we (the Pac) are doing so well in both areas. They probably come out of Pac meetings feeling like Oliver Douglas from Green Acres after meeting with the Ziffels, Mr. Haney, and Mr. Kimball. Arnold being the most intelligent of the lot.
 
And we (the Pac) are doing so well in both areas. They probably come out of Pac meetings feeling like Oliver Douglas from Green Acres after meeting with the Ziffels, Mr. Haney, and Mr. Kimball. Arnold being the most intelligent of the lot.
Well, having met some of those navigate guys myself, I can tell you they are sharp.

But the question is, what directions were they given? Are they saying whats best for the Pac, or whats in line with the scope of the request from pac leadership?
 
Not that this guy knows anything, but it sounds like he has some sources.

But the PAC may have an 8th soon. (Maybe at a reduced initial share)

 
Not that this guy knows anything, but it sounds like he has some sources.

But the PAC may have an 8th soon. (Maybe at a reduced initial share)

We tried to get Texas State but it seemed their fans and administration only wanted to go to the Pac. That is fine. I think we came out better with UTEP and NIU. I wouldn't mind in the future to pick up another Texas school though.
 
Thank you for sharing.

So reading this, I would imagine that no school has provided the written notice and exit deposit yet. It makes no sense to do that, you just lose money.

I would imagine they will do it this summer to be compliant and not open the door for doubled fees.

So in the summer next year we "might" have up to 55 mil in poaching fees + 25k from deposits. I have no idea what the payment schedule is for media rights. Are they larger payments done annually, quarterly, monthly? No idea but that plays a role.

If payment are annual then a large chunk of money may be collected, and the 61 mil threshold could be met, and MW may pay that lump sum.

However, that probably isn't the best practice. Since those exit fees will be contested and negotiated down somewhat. Now i think it is pretty safe that it will be at least 1 year media value per school, but again that is not guaranteed.

Also if the exit fees being contested in a lawsuit, I can see an injunction being made in the traitor's behalf. Just because again, they are still a part of this conference and the document that allows the the MW to withhold money is being contested. So if anything is going to be "frozen" I would guess it would be the the idea of withholding the payouts. I would guess the 5k gets collected regardless.
I need an actual lawyer to chime in here… where’s @reagan21 when you need him?

Page 3 outlines distributions… annually, no later than June 30th. Last year’s payment would have been made prior to the traitors making any announcements, so per the bylaws the next two would be withheld and used to cover exit fees.

Part of the argument being made by at least two of the traitors is that they never notified the MW and therefore aren’t “officially” out of the MW and should have voting rights, etc.

Silly game the courts would likely discourage due to how you’ve acted in public, including publicly announcing that you are in fact joining the PAC. At best this would be viewed as dumb semantics and at worst would likely bias the court against you for violating the spirit of the agreement you signed and trying to “game the system”.

You don’t get to have your cake and eat it too.

As far as any injunction would be concerned, I don’t think the courts could necessarily force the MW to violate their own bylaws and pay the traitors their regularly scheduled payments. They could potentially freeze those payments and prevent the MW from redistributing them while litigation continued, but I can’t see them forcing them to pay while the payments are in dispute.

Again, lots in play that needs to play out, but these fees owed aren’t getting thrown out by a judge any time soon. Depending on how much stomach either side has to continue to pay lawyers it could go on for quite awhile.
 
Not that this guy knows anything, but it sounds like he has some sources.

But the PAC may have an 8th soon. (Maybe at a reduced initial share)

Texas State is about as much as they could hope for. But then going on about UTSA and UNT as options to get to 9 or 10 members goes against everything the PAC was trying to accomplish by breaking up the MW.

Maybe.

If it’s to come in as partial members with reduced share and voting rights you’d think the MW would just offer them as full members. 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
Texas State is about as much as they could hope for. But then going on about UTSA and UNT as options to get to 9 or 10 members goes against everything the PAC was trying to accomplish by breaking up the MW.

Maybe.

If it’s to come in as partial members with reduced share and voting rights you’d think the MW would just offer them as full members. 🤷🏽‍♂️
If they get an offer anywhere below around 80-90%, they likely would be just as well off if the MWC offered them a full membership! That number started at 70%, but it keeps dropping the longer it take the PAC to get a deal. Also, the PAC needs to worry about losing to the MWC, in which case they could very well get hit with all the legal fees, while it is highly unlikely that the MWC would get hit with legal fees since they are the defendant, and the defendant rarely gets stuck with the legal fees of those that filed suit!
 
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