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Florida on to sweet 16, so if Hartman is the guy we will know within 24 hours, if he's not flying to vegas now to get the job, he's not it.

I have no clue, can't be as bad as KK, can it? If Hartman can recruit has staff, that's 20 wins in MWC now, just saying.
 
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Florida on to sweet 16, so if Hartman is the guy we will know within 24 hours, if he's not flying to vegas now to get the job, he's not it.

I have no clue, can't be as bad as KK, can it? If Hartman can recruit has staff, that's 20 wins in MWC now, just saying.
It actually could be!
 
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Florida on to sweet 16, so if Hartman is the guy we will know within 24 hours, if he's not flying to vegas now to get the job, he's not it.

I have no clue, can't be as bad as KK, can it? If Hartman can recruit has staff, that's 20 wins in MWC now, just saying.
I really doubt Hartman is the guy
 
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I would love to know why a guy who is in coaching stays an assistant for so long without at least an attempt at being the man somewhere? There are red flags with Hartman and the fact that the Krugers are behind this gives me even more pause… what’s the plan? Does Hartman rehire Kevin as an assistant and by doing so reveal the circus that UNLV really is! Lol
Good question why does that happen? I agree he fact that this is another Kruger hire adds a lot more suspicion.
 
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Serious question, how many jobs has he applied for in the past? A Florida assistant just got the Campbell job, seems like Hartman could have had that if he wanted it. I think he probably applied for Rice when Pera got it (Pera being from Rhoades staff). I think he probably applied for McNeese when Wade got it and Buffalo after Oats left but beyond that I don’t know. I am sure there are others but he doesn’t seem to be a guy who was applying every off season. I doubt he leaves UNLV if Golden doesn’t get the UF job.

This is a good article from his hometown paper on him.

Let's assume he just applied for the jobs you listed Rice, McNeese and Buffalo. So he isn't good enough to coach at Rice, McNeese or Buffalo but he is at UNLV? I know our program has fallen but I don't think it has fallen to the level of taking Buffalo's leavings.
 
I was thinking that the 25 number of " interested" persons for our opening is media buzz, straw buyer, total bullshit or whatever you want to call it. It appears to me they are trying to show that UNLV is a NOT a career killer. Another poster was also not buying the hype when he asked after only 6 days. "Did they use Linked in for interviews".
 
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I just hope this debate ends up being a moot discussion but man you never know because we are UNLV!

I had hoped this kind of stuff happening here was over with a shrewd AD at the helm but here we are again, possibly hiring another assistant and we are still “kicking the can” down the road hoping things will be different!

Bring on the press conference! Lol
 
What programs has he elevated?
Kruger "hit his ceiling here" thengot to a final four with Hartman.
Golden coached he 3rd or 4th best team in the WCC, he is now a 1 seed and I believe the betting favorite to win the while thing with Hartman. Also in the s16 for the first time in several years at UF.
We were all excited that Kruger hired Hartman when he took the job. Was thought to be the best recruiter for Lon at OU.
Again being the AHC at one of the best teams in country makes you a pretty good candidate in itself.
 
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Kruger "hit his ceiling here" thengot to a final four with Hartman.
Golden coached he 3rd or 4th best team in the WCC, he is now a 1 seed and I believe the betting favorite to win the while thing with Hartman. Also in the s16 for the first time in several years at UF.
We were all excited that Kruger hired Hartman when he took the job. Was thought to be the best recruiter for Lon at OU.
Again being the AHC at one of the best teams in country makes you a pretty good candidate in itself.
No not really because you are basing everything your saying on someone who has not done anything as a HC! Lol
 
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Kruger "hit his ceiling here" thengot to a final four with Hartman.
Golden coached he 3rd or 4th best team in the WCC, he is now a 1 seed and I believe the betting favorite to win the while thing with Hartman. Also in the s16 for the first time in several years at UF.
We were all excited that Kruger hired Hartman when he took the job. Was thought to be the best recruiter for Lon at OU.
Again being the AHC at one of the best teams in country makes you a pretty good candidate in itself.
Big difference between being excited about a recruiting assistant and being excited about someone who is going to lead our program
 
Big difference between being excited about a recruiting assistant and being excited about someone who is going to lead our program
You asked about how he is elevated other teams. Being a lead assistant at 2 separate places that are amongst the best on the country at the time is just that.
Kruger wanted him, Golden wanted him. He has value.
He knows how ro recruit at all levels including the highest.
We don't know his xs and os philosophy. This is true.
Truth is this is considered a very quality hire for school of our status. A middle of the pack mid major school.
I have know idea who we get. I'm not going to give up all hope if it is Hartman. Harper it seems like he is doing his due diligence talking to a lot of people. I trust that if it is Hartman it would be for good reasons
 
You asked about how he is elevated other teams. Being a lead assistant at 2 separate places that are amongst the best on the country at the time is just that.
Kruger wanted him, Golden wanted him. He has value.
He knows how ro recruit at all levels including the highest.
We don't know his xs and os philosophy. This is true.
Truth is this is considered a very quality hire for school of our status. A middle of the pack mid major school.
I have know idea who we get. I'm not going to give up all hope if it is Hartman. Harper it seems like he is doing his due diligence talking to a lot of people. I trust that if it is Hartman it would be for good reasons
I think hiring the assistant for the coach we just fired is a bad look
 
You asked about how he is elevated other teams. Being a lead assistant at 2 separate places that are amongst the best on the country at the time is just that.
Kruger wanted him, Golden wanted him. He has value.
He knows how ro recruit at all levels including the highest.
We don't know his xs and os philosophy. This is true.
Truth is this is considered a very quality hire for school of our status. A middle of the pack mid major school.
I have know idea who we get. I'm not going to give up all hope if it is Hartman. Harper it seems like he is doing his due diligence talking to a lot of people. I trust that if it is Hartman it would be for good reasons
Then he will be offered by many other jobs at our level that have been open … for the last several years, no? Lew and Steve were long time Kruger assistants. They got jobs as HC.

I may over value the Rebels, but you woefully undervalue them. Yeah, FB had soooooooo damn much to sell.
 
Then he will be offered by many other jobs at our level that have been open … for the last several years, no? Lew and Steve were long time Kruger assistants. They got jobs as HC.

I may over value the Rebels, but you woefully undervalue them. Yeah, FB had soooooooo damn much to sell.
So we are above SDSU, Duke, and even Arizona?

They all hired long time assistants, Llyod was an assistant for 20 years. Dutcher almost 35 years.

Again do you know for a fact that he wasn't approached about being a HC up to now? Are you his agent?
Maybe he wasn't ready, or didn't want a low major or D2 job. Maybe he though being a top assistant at a high major job, making more than lower level HC jobs was the path HE wanted to get him a job he wanted. And guess what that is where we are now.

Yes I think you are overvaluing the Rebels.
 
So we are above SDSU, Duke, and even Arizona?

They all hired long time assistants, Llyod was an assistant for 20 years. Dutcher almost 35 years.

Again do you know for a fact that he wasn't approached about being a HC up to now? Are you his agent?
Maybe he wasn't ready, or didn't want a low major or D2 job. Maybe he though being a top assistant at a high major job, making more than lower level HC jobs was the path HE wanted to get him a job he wanted. And guess what that is where we are now.

Yes I think you are overvaluing the Rebels.
The guys you mentioned are the exceptions not the norm! We don’t know if Hartman is even sniffing that level? Hartman could have coached at a lower level if he wanted to there are openings every year.
If he had at least tried that the view may be different. But you mean to tell me all the openings were beneath him, I don’t buy that!

I for one, do not want UNLV to continue doing what we have always done when it comes to this hire. Two weeks ago we were debating Kruger getting fired or not, now that it’s happened after so many thought the contrary, why not apply the same m.o. that worked in football and see how a former HC would do in basketball on Maryland Parkway?
 
So we are above SDSU, Duke, and even Arizona?

They all hired long time assistants, Llyod was an assistant for 20 years. Dutcher almost 35 years.

Again do you know for a fact that he wasn't approached about being a HC up to now? Are you his agent?
Maybe he wasn't ready, or didn't want a low major or D2 job. Maybe he though being a top assistant at a high major job, making more than lower level HC jobs was the path HE wanted to get him a job he wanted. And guess what that is where we are now.

Yes I think you are overvaluing the Rebels.
You can go online and see Lloyd continuously turned down head coaching interviews. Scheyer wasn’t an assistant for 20 years. Interestingly enough he interviewed at UNLV. According to Dutcher he interviewed but never was enticed enough to leave SDSU especially since he knew he was the likely replacement. Of course both of those guys replaced already successful programs. How come nothing online about Hartman interviewing? Where these interviews in secret? This push for him is sounding a lot like your push for Menzies.
 
Historically, look what people have done here since Tark.

With coaches with top HC experience we're 1/2 for success. (197W-92L, .681, 3 tournament wins)
With coaches with low major HC resumes we're 0/3 (131W-109L, .541, 0 tournament wins)
With coaches who were assistants we are like 1.5/4 (partial credit for Bayno and Rice both of whom I think would have had more success had we not fired them mid-season) (280W-189L, .597, 0 tournament wins)

That tells me that I really want someone with P4 head coaching experience, but I also think a really solid assistant might be a safer choice--though only Otz was a hot name. Menzies was just a fallback and Spoon was a caretaker. I personally don't think Hartman really fits what I'm looking for in a hot assistant candidate, but I won't begrudge people for disagreeing with me.
 
You can go online and see Lloyd continuously turned down head coaching interviews. Scheyer wasn’t an assistant for 20 years. Interestingly enough he interviewed at UNLV. According to Dutcher he interviewed but never was enticed enough to leave SDSU especially since he knew he was the likely replacement. Of course both of those guys replaced already successful programs. How come nothing online about Hartman interviewing? Where these interviews in secret? This push for him is sounding a lot like your push for Menzies.
Menzies wasn't hired till April 26th.
 
You can go online and see Lloyd continuously turned down head coaching interviews. Scheyer wasn’t an assistant for 20 years. Interestingly enough he interviewed at UNLV. According to Dutcher he interviewed but never was enticed enough to leave SDSU especially since he knew he was the likely replacement. Of course both of those guys replaced already successful programs. How come nothing online about Hartman interviewing? Where these interviews in secret? This push for him is sounding a lot like your push for Menzies.
My push Menzies? TF??

No one was pushing for Menzies when he was hired.

And I am not pushing for Hartman specifically I am pushing for some level of optimism IF he ends up being hired. If he doesn't, no problem with me.

The split of the fanbase with coaching hires is toxic. People will be skeptical of any hire we make and they will talk shit and pounce at any chance they have given the first sign of adversity, instead of trying to rally a little, show some early support, and hope for the best instead of only expecting the worst.

Hartman at least seems to be somewhat of a finalist. So I look to see WHY he would be rated ahead of others instead of being convinced that he shouldn't. Anyone convinced of anything at this point is willfully ignorant or just a stubborn A hole.
 
Again, I just ask, if Hartman was a "premier assistant at the top P4 School (Florida)" of this cycle, why is his name not being thrown out there for any of the other coaching jobs that are available or have come available. I've been listening to most of the coaching search podcasts, reading the articles, etc and not a single time does his name come up for any of these other jobs. The examples of Lloyd and Dutcher have been used, yet both of their names came up for job openings prior to them landing where they were. Lloyd was a hot commodity assistant with a contractual job offer to be Mark Fews replacement. The season he finally took the Arizona job he said he was flattered by all the programs that were pursuing him. Dutcher had other programs come and offer him while he was Fishers assistant- including the UCLA job.
Hartman doesn't have that list. There are other mid-major jobs that are looking for HCs, why isnt Hartman being talked about by those in the coaching search realm as a candidate there? And yeah, its completely based on rumors and leaks from those around programs, but if Hartman was such an elite assistant and we should be happy to land him as a "steal" why isnt that the case for any of these other openings? Does Oklahoma go knocking on his door when Moser leaves? If they do, then I can accept the premise of him being an "elite assistant" that we missed out on.
 
have to think at this point Harper is looking at someone still coaching, look at Iowa/Minn these jobs are filled the minute the coach is done.

What options are still coaching?

Is there a D1 head coach still coaching we would want and could get?

Hartman and other P4 assistants

D2 coaches like Crutchfield

Obviously there are those not coaching but if Harper is targeting one of those why wait.
 
Again, I just ask, if Hartman was a "premier assistant at the top P4 School (Florida)" of this cycle, why is his name not being thrown out there for any of the other coaching jobs that are available or have come available. I've been listening to most of the coaching search podcasts, reading the articles, etc and not a single time does his name come up for any of these other jobs. The examples of Lloyd and Dutcher have been used, yet both of their names came up for job openings prior to them landing where they were. Lloyd was a hot commodity assistant with a contractual job offer to be Mark Fews replacement. The season he finally took the Arizona job he said he was flattered by all the programs that were pursuing him. Dutcher had other programs come and offer him while he was Fishers assistant- including the UCLA job.
Hartman doesn't have that list. There are other mid-major jobs that are looking for HCs, why isnt Hartman being talked about by those in the coaching search realm as a candidate there? And yeah, its completely based on rumors and leaks from those around programs, but if Hartman was such an elite assistant and we should be happy to land him as a "steal" why isnt that the case for any of these other openings? Does Oklahoma go knocking on his door when Moser leaves? If they do, then I can accept the premise of him being an "elite assistant" that we missed out on.
Spot on!! We need to hire a guy with head coaching experience that has had success, no more srewing around! UNLV shouldn't be the place we're you hire guys with no head coaching experience, let them prove themselves in a low major school first. We can't have that low major mindset! Kevin Kruger should have never gotten the job, it's that simple!!!
 
have to think at this point Harper is looking at someone still coaching, look at Iowa/Minn these jobs are filled the minute the coach is done.

What options are still coaching?

Is there a D1 head coach still coaching we would want and could get?

Hartman and other P4 assistants

D2 coaches like Crutchfield

Obviously there are those not coaching but if Harper is targeting one of those why wait.
There's 2 names I can think of that are still coaching- Turner and Kennedy.. Kennedy fits 100% the Harper model buy has a 4 million dollar buyout, which is a huge issue I'm guessing. Both coach against each other this week in NIT.
 
have to think at this point Harper is looking at someone still coaching, look at Iowa/Minn these jobs are filled the minute the coach is done.

What options are still coaching?

Is there a D1 head coach still coaching we would want and could get?

Hartman and other P4 assistants

D2 coaches like Crutchfield

Obviously there are those not coaching but if Harper is targeting one of those why wait.
Crutchfield is not d2. Omaha, summit league with the likes of north dakota and south Dallas schools. Has kc, Denver, st thomas from st paul mn, and an Indiana hyphenated school in the league also.
 
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Again, I just ask, if Hartman was a "premier assistant at the top P4 School (Florida)" of this cycle, why is his name not being thrown out there for any of the other coaching jobs that are available or have come available. I've been listening to most of the coaching search podcasts, reading the articles, etc and not a single time does his name come up for any of these other jobs. The examples of Lloyd and Dutcher have been used, yet both of their names came up for job openings prior to them landing where they were. Lloyd was a hot commodity assistant with a contractual job offer to be Mark Fews replacement. The season he finally took the Arizona job he said he was flattered by all the programs that were pursuing him. Dutcher had other programs come and offer him while he was Fishers assistant- including the UCLA job.
Hartman doesn't have that list. There are other mid-major jobs that are looking for HCs, why isnt Hartman being talked about by those in the coaching search realm as a candidate there? And yeah, its completely based on rumors and leaks from those around programs, but if Hartman was such an elite assistant and we should be happy to land him as a "steal" why isnt that the case for any of these other openings? Does Oklahoma go knocking on his door when Moser leaves? If they do, then I can accept the premise of him being an "elite assistant" that we missed out on.
You’d have to ask the other schools why they aren’t considering him, and maybe they did but it wasn’t public. Either way, it doesn’t really matter now does it? The other question I have is…why does UNLV have to do what everyone else is doing?

The only thing that matters is what Harper is thinking. Obviously a big factor is the fact that Harper and Hartman are friends and obviously Harper knows more than we do in terms of Hartman’s vision for UNLV. Hartman must have staffing and recruiting ideas pitched to Harper. (Speculation on what was said) “Hey if Dedan had x,y,x alongside him, and in a functional offense that could bring the fans back.”

Ultimately people want to see talent on the floor (not just our side but we need to schedule better OOC) and winning a lot of games. The formula is simple, who can get the Ingredients is the question.

Another factor is that Harper could be interviewing experienced coaches like Keatts, and Keatts could be totally bombing the interview and Harper would walk away scratching his head going WTF was that?

We don’t know, ultimately it’s going to be whoever has the best vision and ability to execute that vision, that will show up in the interview process.
 
You’d have to ask the other schools why they aren’t considering him, and maybe they did but it wasn’t public. Either way, it doesn’t really matter now does it? The other question I have is…why does UNLV have to do what everyone else is doing?

The only thing that matters is what Harper is thinking. Obviously a big factor is the fact that Harper and Hartman are friends and obviously Harper knows more than we do in terms of Hartman’s vision for UNLV. Hartman must have staffing and recruiting ideas pitched to Harper. (Speculation on what was said) “Hey if Dedan had x,y,x alongside him, and in a functional offense that could bring the fans back.”

Ultimately people want to see talent on the floor (not just our side but we need to schedule better OOC) and winning a lot of games. The formula is simple, who can get the Ingredients is the question.

Another factor is that Harper could be interviewing experienced coaches like Keatts, and Keatts could be totally bombing the interview and Harper would walk away scratching his head going WTF was that?

We don’t know, ultimately it’s going to be whoever has the best vision and ability to execute that vision, that will show up in the interview process.
Still pass on the assistant, just hope he does not go that route!
 
You’d have to ask the other schools why they aren’t considering him, and maybe they did but it wasn’t public. Either way, it doesn’t really matter now does it? The other question I have is…why does UNLV have to do what everyone else is doing?

The only thing that matters is what Harper is thinking. Obviously a big factor is the fact that Harper and Hartman are friends and obviously Harper knows more than we do in terms of Hartman’s vision for UNLV. Hartman must have staffing and recruiting ideas pitched to Harper. (Speculation on what was said) “Hey if Dedan had x,y,x alongside him, and in a functional offense that could bring the fans back.”

Ultimately people want to see talent on the floor (not just our side but we need to schedule better OOC) and winning a lot of games. The formula is simple, who can get the Ingredients is the question.

Another factor is that Harper could be interviewing experienced coaches like Keatts, and Keatts could be totally bombing the interview and Harper would walk away scratching his head going WTF was that?

We don’t know, ultimately it’s going to be whoever has the best vision and ability to execute that vision, that will show up in the interview process.
I heard he interviewed Coach K yesterday and Coach K was very nervous. He was stuttering, fumbling his answers, and even accidentally referred to Jerry Tarkanian as "my dad." It was a very awkward interview and Harper politely told him he would be moving on with another candidate.
 
Still pass on the assistant, just hope he does not go that route!
Assistant or not, it’s about the vision. Ultimately if he hired an experienced HC and yields the same results as the last ten years, it’s not really going to matter now is it?

It’s about vision for the program and how that coach will execute that vision. If Hartman takes UNLV to the dance right away, it’s not going to matter if he was assistant for 30 years. Nobody is going to care at that point.
 
I heard he interviewed Coach K yesterday and Coach K was very nervous. He was stuttering, fumbling his answers, and even accidentally referred to Jerry Tarkanian as "my dad." It was a very awkward interview and Harper politely told him he would be moving on with another candidate.
callie from lvrj reported Coach K had urinated all over himself at the sight of the UNLV logo and had to excuse himself.

Never came back to finish the interview.
 
Crutchfield is not d2. Omaha, summit league with the likes of north dakota and south Dallas schools. Has kc, Denver, st thomas from st paul mn, and an Indiana hyphenated school in the league also.
Different Crutchfield, Jim Crutchfield from Nova Southeastern is who I was talking about. IMO, would be a great hire.
 
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There's 2 names I can think of that are still coaching- Turner and Kennedy.. Kennedy fits 100% the Harper model buy has a 4 million dollar buyout, which is a huge issue I'm guessing. Both coach against each other this week in NIT.
I think 4M would be too high. Sometimes you can negotiate down, that could have been the case with Dixon. Pitt WANTED to dump him when he was hired at TCU, so they were able to negotiate the buyout down.
 
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I think 4M would be too high. Sometimes you can negotiate down, that could have been the case with Dixon. Pitt WANTED to dump him when he was hired at TCU, so they were able to negotiate the buyout down.
Also, just because a coach has a certain amount of his contract remaining, that doesn't mean the buyout is that amount, right? Even with Mullen, his buyout is not close to equal to his total contract amount. It just depends on how they're structured.
 
There's 2 names I can think of that are still coaching- Turner and Kennedy.. Kennedy fits 100% the Harper model buy has a 4 million dollar buyout, which is a huge issue I'm guessing. Both coach against each other this week in NIT.
Should have included those two, don’t think either is a real possibility based on different reasons but I should have included them.
 
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Also, just because a coach has a certain amount of his contract remaining, that doesn't mean the buyout is that amount, right? Even with Mullen, his buyout is not close to equal to his total contract amount. It just depends on how they're structured.
His buyout is structured to be the remaining amount on his contract... his salary is 1 million a year through 2029 with a 100k increase
each season. Im not sure if it can be negotiated down since they're a protection for the university but it might be possible, or payable over the course of a coach staying at his next stop- ie- If Kennedy comes in and wins in 1 year and jumps to a Big P4, we arent responsible for his buyout, the next bigger school would be.. Indiana just did that with Devries contract with WVU and covering the remaining buyout at Drake
 
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