First, I thought they were broke and couldn’t afford to make him the fourth highest paid coach in college football.
Second, I’m not a fan of his but he deserves double this amount for how much the university is profiting him from him being there.
Deion Sanders
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First, I thought they were broke and couldn’t afford to make him the fourth highest paid coach in college football.
Second, I’m not a fan of his but he deserves double this amount for how much the university is profiting him from him being there.
The media attention is priceless. Regardless of outcome. Let's hope ESPN keeps rooting on their former colleagues at UNLV.
Good for him. He’s living off the shiny. Ultimately, by way of actual results only, he will get the least bang for the buck.
Can’t blame him for taking advantage of the situation. But substance >>> style.
I'm glad he didn't choose us or we didn't choose him but think of how it could have been. Prime time in Vegas?
Me too.
Barry Odom did more in his two years with a financially crippled, historically awful football program than Deion did with a school that has way more money, history and support. But you’d think Deion did much more based upon coverage.
Odom was bland AF but effective, Sanders is glam and semi-effective. But Sanders is more celebrated.
It’s like Adam Sandler vs Gary Sinise.
We tried to land him before he chose Colorado. Huge deal and everything...
Now he will complain that CU has no money for NIL. If he does I know where he can find some. Maybe take $3million less and ask that it goes to NIL?
Or he might just keep on winning!
CU has been notoriously cheap in the past when it comes to paying coaches, they now realize who they have and didn’t make the same mistake!
As for whining about NIL money and needing more to compete, don’t all coaches do that?!
Looks like he did not fail, like many here hoped he would! Lol
He’s always been about him.
What is he, 500 at Colorado? Odom did more, with less and for less.
We beat losers to get most of wins, granted they were on the schedule so you do what you have to but let’s not confuse the MWC with the Big 12, now c’mon now Joe! Lol
It’s not better, of course.
But both years, UNLV finished higher than Colorado in the CFP ratings. UNLV football … no fans, no history … no money … no expectations.
Are you going to say he did a better job than Odom in those two years?
I’m saying the Big 12 is far more competitive than MWC, period!
And taking a team that was actually lower than UNLV was when he got hired to 5-5 his first year and then 9-4 in his second, exceeding the over under for wins in both seasons is pretty impressive!
Let me ask… do you think that if Deion was HC at UNLV those same 2 years that he wouldn’t have won the same games Odom did?
What is your hatred of Deion based on?
Have you ever talked to him or even met him or is your hatred based on third hand info from the media or people you know?
You don’t need to answer because I think it’s obvious!
I don’t know him, never met him. Don’t hate him, loved watching him play both sports. Like Bo, but in a much different way, I marveled at his abilities. He was as smooth as an athlete can be.
But it’s simple, I don’t like so much flash without substance. He backed it up while playing. With coaching, that hoopla precedes him, not actual accomplishment. But I don’t hate the guy.
Joe I get it you don’t like flash, neither do I because it feels like I’m being sold! I never liked coaches who could not back up the talk with their walk when I was playing and I played through college and like it even less now… see guys like Dabo etc!
But dude you come across bad when it comes to Prime, just my perception.
The guy is getting it done up there and you have to admit that!
Hype wise, he’s getting it done. And that’s good to start with. It gets eyeballs, it gets money, it gets tv and print. He’s sold everyone on it. At some point, you’ve gotta produce. Not saying he won’t. He has the all the backing he needs. He’s always been a very charismatic salesman.
If his career is a series of 9-4s, does that keep his job? I don’t know, I don’t know the school/area/fanbase.
Let me ask you this, if he treads water, 9-4, for four years and gets canned, wouldn’t it be considered a huge flop considering their investment?
And that’s where flash has always concerned me. Bayno winning the WACT, UNLV overreacted and tacked on three years because of the euphoria.
First you have to know that CU was thinking of getting rid of football, as crazy as that sounds before he got here, it was that hopeless!
If he goes 9-4 for the next 4 years and gets fired, would it be a flop, I don’t think so… who else would have come here and did the same thing is the question?!
He may be gone down the road due to the NFL (which would be a mistake imo) or due to plateauing in the win/loss column but I tell you that he would be leaving the program far better off than anyone else could have considering where they were!
I tell people when you fix up your house with improvements be aware that the improvements you make should make sense not be overboard because the improvements you make to your house might look like “wow” to you but the next person buying your home might not think so.
Nobody in college sports is getting “dollar for dollar” back with the enormous amount of money being thrown around! CU is no exception, you pay to keep the coach, you waffle, you could lose them!
So, you want us to believe that some how, some way - Colorado football was worse, had a worse history, had less value, less pride, less worth than, less future than … UNLV football? UNLV football, which was very consistently, almost to an annual rule, one of the 10 worst programs year over year? Wasn’t Colorado top 20 in 3 of 7 different seasons just before Sanders took over? You really expect me to believe the ultra-hyperbolism that some how UNLV and Colorado were similar?
When it comes to leaving a program in better shape than they found it, Odom will be one of the top coaches with that. His turnaround year one was incredible by itself, and then year two to show it wasn’t a fluke.
I said nothing about dollar for dollar. If money making is what matters, it’s a good investment. If winning games and championships is the goal, which is what fans want - presidents and ADs want the money, they don’t care about wins, they’re administrators, they’re bureaucrats, they’re corporate, they’re gov … but the fans don’t care about money, they want the wins … then it’s up in the air. I have a feeling that most fans won’t be happy with 10M per year for 9-5 records, middle of conference finishes and an ordinary bowl. I could be wrong, I don’t know that fanbase … but I’d think every fanbase would be upset.
When it comes to leaving a program in better shape than they found it, Odom will be one of the top coaches with that. His turnaround year one was incredible by itself, and then year two to show it wasn’t a fluke.
I said nothing about dollar for dollar. If money making is what matters, it’s a good investment. If winning games and championships is the goal, which is what fans want - presidents and ADs want the money, they don’t care about wins, they’re administrators, they’re bureaucrats, they’re corporate, they’re gov … but the fans don’t care about money, they want the wins … then it’s up in the air. I have a feeling that most fans won’t be happy with 10M per year for 9-5 records, middle of conference finishes and an ordinary bowl. I could be wrong, I don’t know that fanbase … but I’d think every fanbase would be upset.
1.) And Prime will be one of the top coaches doing this at Colorado, you have your opinion, I have mine!
2.) Okay?! Lol
3.) As for the his worth of course you’re going to say he isn’t worth it, you don’t like him, no matter how you try to “veil” it!
Let’s see if he plateaus down the road, he hasn’t yet and if he does throw a party at that time!
Prime and Menzies are your white or should I see “black” whales! Lol
Take it however you want!
Hey may be worth it monetarily. Because he sells, people buy it. But they may be buying bullshit, too.
If you’re into ROI with purely money, yep, I agree. But most fans are concerned with wins, not money. You’d be one of the first I’ve met who are more concerned with money than wins.
A foolproof sign of losing an argument, accuse somebody of being a racist, sexist, fascist or whatever-ist and then tack on bunch of exclamation points because, after all, they emphasize truth.
You tried to paint Colorado as a similar to UNLV. You lost every shred of credibility in this argument by suggesting such.
Who ever posted they hoped he would fail?
People thinking he might sure but rooting for him to fail?
At least for the next few years he'll be able to recruit at a pretty high level. At some point he'll need a CFP birth. He's been well worth the investment for CU. Got them back on the map.
This year will be interesting. Have to imagine some regression losing Shedur and Travis Hunter.
If he calls win 9+ games again, there is definitely some substance there...
Says you!
We disagree and there’s no coming to agreement necessary for me.
Why do you still talk about Menzies and he hasn’t been here in years?
Your most pointed opinions are about him and Deion. You said it yourself you have no basis for it but it’s obvious as day why, just be who you are don’t try to cover it up!
As far as credibility, this is a message board not face the freaking nation, it’s all opinions including yours!
I’m done with this, no hard feelings, just observations.
You intimated Colorado and UNLV were in similar spots because “Colorado almost dropped football” after a couple poor football years. Yeah. They’re going to walk away from a cash cow conference by dropping football. It was you trying to paint a false equivalence.
Odom did way better than Deion over the two years the coached. It wasn’t even a tiny bit close. UNLV was in worse starting shape than CU. UNLV finished higher than CU both years. It’s pretty crystal clear. In terms of W/L, UNLV had a much higher ROI under Odom than CU with Sanders. It’s not even arguable, but you tried to make it arguable.
I said I don’t like flash over substance. You can’t take that for what it’s worth so you paint it as something else. It’s an old playbook.
I talk about Tark, Bayno, even Spoon, Rice, Otz, they haven’t been here in years. Why did I not like Menzies? He sucked, he lied, used car salesman who played the victim. Rollie M was the same exact way. Just mouth and theatrics. But zero substance behind it. Katin as a ball player drove me crazy. Kid could shoot, I liked him a lot because he could shoot/score until he showed his true nature when the lights turned on, but all flash, no substance.
No hard feelings.
He has definitely improved the team but time will tell if he will be worth the money based upon production but they had one win and then four and nine so that is good improvement if he improves again he is trending to be worth it and if not then no. But they were a win away from the CFP so imagine they are happy with that after not even being bowl eligible for 7 seasons. If this ends up being the peak he will be vastly overpaid. We will see because now no Hunter or son on the team.
I’m not sure how he will do. Not actively rooting for or against him unless it in some way tangles with UNLV in some manner (jockeying for a certain bid/bowl). Other than that, I don’t care one way or the other.
When I said that he’s worth double that contract it’s because football is a business. He’s gotten Colorado more attention and TV time than before his arrival. He makes them relevant again, if only for the reason that he’s polarizing. He attracts eyeballs.
Which is fantastic for the university, the business, the town overall, the fans.
But it doesn’t put trophies in the case.
The Yankees spend more money than God. Their fans don’t care, it’s about wins. I just remember the resounding boos from the home fans for Arod, mega contract, fans didn’t care what he was paid, you gotta perform.
Fans aren’t as extreme as Yankee fans, but I don’t know any fans that place money over winning.
If they Yankees spend more money than God, what does that say about the Dodgers that out spend the Yankees by about $50,000,000.00 a year? There is a reason that there are regulations regarding trades, regulations regarding pay caps etc.... Now imagine a league that has no rules regarding players transferring or quitting a team, no rules regards coaches leaving, no rules regarding how much the team gets in total compensation, etc.... Now we have college athletics! The professional leagues figures out that if there wasn't a decent level of competition, then people would stop going to and watching games. How long it will take, I have no clue, but ultimately they either get the courts involved, or it will be a slow death to college athletics. I also see that at some point the tax payers and students will ramp up the involvement in lawsuits to end tax payers subsidizing college athletics, and students being charge athletic fees for multi-millionaire athletes playing under the college flags.
My point was, to a fan, they don’t care about money in, money paid out. They care about wins and wins only.
I think fans of the have nots would stop attending. The power schools will get the fans, they’ve got great teams.
It’s almost death by a thousand needles. They’ll let us slow bleed to our demise so they’re passive in their actions.
I do not believe when it come to college sports that most fans will convert over to the power teams that are left, they will instead walk away from college sports and either not follow athletics or move over to professional sports where the only way you pay to watch the games is either by buying tickets or watching video! As a life time college athletics fan, it is becoming harder and harder to watch lower level athletes get paid better than professionals who would absolutely destroy them in a game. The best college teams would be lucky if they lost be under 50 against the worst professional teams. My question is how long will sugar daddies be willing to pay for college teams, how long before tax payers will start to revolt with subsidizing college sports for multi millionaires, how long will students and their parent be willing to pay athletic fees for millionaires while they are struggling to pay for schools, how long before the courts will come down on the entire mess?
I agree it will slowly turn off college fans and ultimately reduce how much $$ the big schools make as well because of fewer people watching. I was almost there until UNLV became irrelevant if they fall off again permanently I have no reason to watch.
They did when he first got to town, they mentioned that the school did not have the money to pay him but that has since been remedied!
Colorado shouldn't need the Deion sideshow to be a really good program. If anything comes out of it, Deion shows that they can find the money in Boulder if they want to (moving forward).
Colorado under Deion has become the Dallas Cowboys of college football. They get way more coverage than their success would indicate.
That just rubs me the wrong way in principle.
There is no question Deion has underperform based off his contract, but at least from a financial aspect of bringing the program money he has earned it.
That just rubs me the wrong way in principle.
There is no question Deion has underperform based off his contract, but at least from a financial aspect of bringing the program money he has earned it.
It’s not like they’ve got Orange Bowl appearances or a national championship. Oh wait.
I don't disagree with you at all. My point was solely from a business standpoint.
Marketing matters.
Is McDonald's any good? No, it's crap that calls itself food. But when you have Michael and Larry playing Horse for MJ's bag of McD's, all of a sudden millions of people crave their stuff.
