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Any Presidents quit lately?

Seemed like he at least stayed out of the way of Harper and let him do his thing. No intel on that, just felt like I heard very little interference on his end and overall supported Harp when needed. Would love to get a president in there now who loves university athletics and has connections.
 
Seemed like he at least stayed out of the way of Harper and let him do his thing. No intel on that, just felt like I heard very little interference on his end and overall supported Harp when needed. Would love to get a president in there now who loves university athletics and has connections.
Ok, here's my offer: Take our brand new (currently USU's) 69-year-old woman President. All yours. But you have to take our lame AD, and swap FB coaches straight across.
 
Seemed like he at least stayed out of the way of Harper and let him do his thing. No intel on that, just felt like I heard very little interference on his end and overall supported Harp when needed. Would love to get a president in there now who loves university athletics and has connections.
Definitely a concern I have with whomever is next. I don't want us to regress because the new President gets too involved in the wrong ways with athletics.
 
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Unless he is under some different contract he should have waited 5 months to get vested in PERS.
So I had to fact check you on this. UNLV Administrators fall under the 403(b) plan, similar to a 401(k). But riddle me this - what does this mean? You don't pay into SS?
"All university employees are required to participate in a mandatory retirement plan in lieu of Social Security." And 17.5% is an insanely high deduction and match.

 
So I had to fact check you on this. UNLV Administrators fall under the 403(b) plan, similar to a 401(k). But riddle me this - what does this mean? You don't pay into SS?
"All university employees are required to participate in a mandatory retirement plan in lieu of Social Security." And 17.5% is an insanely high deduction and match.

It means exactly what it says. You don't pay into SS. But, I'm guessing you are saying that he as an administrator isn't covered under the NV Public Employees Retirement System.

I know you are retired from WSU. Probably under a State of Washington retirement plan? In NV you would not have contributed to SS and you would have been covered under the NV Public Employees Retirement System. A lot of states do this. But, it would bite you in the ass with WEP if you, prior to your NV Public Service, had already acquired all your SS Quarters. That has been fixed as of 01/05/2025 with the signing of the SS Fairness Act.
 
So I had to fact check you on this. UNLV Administrators fall under the 403(b) plan, similar to a 401(k). But riddle me this - what does this mean? You don't pay into SS?
"All university employees are required to participate in a mandatory retirement plan in lieu of Social Security." And 17.5% is an insanely high deduction and match.

NVPERS. Governmental.

Not sure if someone at the level of university president is a straight up contractor or something like that...
 
Maybe I am wrong, but I do not believe that the school President would have been part of PERS! The same with football and basketball coaches.
If he was in Pers before being elevated to President he would stay in Pers. If he came from outside he would be entered in a program similar to a 401K.
 
At least back in 1973, you had the option of participation in PERS or a 403b plan. For better or worse I went with th 403b plan. In both options no social security. I assume he went 403b route.

Of course it could be completely different now.
 
It means exactly what it says. You don't pay into SS. But, I'm guessing you are saying that he as an administrator isn't covered under the NV Public Employees Retirement System.

I know you are retired from WSU. Probably under a State of Washington retirement plan? In NV you would not have contributed to SS and you would have been covered under the NV Public Employees Retirement System. A lot of states do this. But, it would bite you in the ass with WEP if you, prior to your NV Public Service, had already acquired all your SS Quarters. That has been fixed as of 01/05/2025 with the signing of the SS Fairness Act.
Never heard of the notion of not having to pay SS. Quite odd IMHO.

I did not retire from WSU. I did vest in PERS as a classified staff, but had (and took) the choice to move into TIAA when I moved to an "A/P" position. So most of my retirement is sitting there. I will also get a modest PERS pension when I turn 65, unless I choose to cash it out before that date. Luckily I worked for a couple of years in the Community College system and chose to go back into PERS. Those relatively high salary years replaced my first 2 low pay years so I think my little pension doubled in size because of that.
 
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Jerry Falwell Jr is available.
So is WSU's outgoing president, Kirk Schulz. You can have him for a stack of chips.

Funny (to me) sidebar. At WSU, a guy named Vernon Lane Rawlins (he went by "V", nobody knew his real first name at the time) succeeded longtime and wonderful President Sam Smith in I think 1990. He was a year or 2 older than Smith (who was 60), which I thought odd. Not as odd as now, as Schulz is "retiring" at 61 and USU's president (our new hire) is 69. Anyway, V Lane came from Memphis, where he unknowingly got their name changed from Memphis State, which is now preventing them from joining the PacState-12 conference. He retired after 5 years, good riddance, and then became UNT's President for 4 years.
 
At least back in 1973, you had the option of participation in PERS or a 403b plan. For better or worse I went with th 403b plan. In both options no social security. I assume he went 403b route.

Of course it could be completely different now.
I always laugh how the government tells everyone you are required to pay social security! They know it is theft of our money and only the common people should pay while government employees get a free pass! Maybe they should put all retirements for government employees in with social security and see how they feel?
 
I always laugh how the government tells everyone you are required to pay social security! They know it is theft of our money and only the common people should pay while government employees get a free pass! Maybe they should put all retirements for government employees in with social security and see how they feel?
Only some states don’t pay SS. And they pay into their state system. All federal employees and the military are on SS.
 
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Only some states don’t pay SS. And they pay into their state system. All federal employees and the military are on SS.
That is so odd. I was not aware of that. But everybody else in Nevada pays SS, right? Is it just Higher Ed, or K-12 or all state employees or what? Sorry, I'm an accountant.
 
All state and county employees.
County employees do not pay SS. Per CC site: Clark County employees do not contribute to Social Security. Also, per State site: State employees do not contribute to Social Security. I work with a lot of Clark County employees, and they are always bragging about not paying social security. But, if they contribute in a private job, and meet the 40 quarters they can end up getting a similar amount to someone who works 40 years (160 quarters).
 
Agreed! I would love to keep our AD, but would rather get a less far left radical as President!
I mean, academia naturally attracts more progressive leaning individuals apart from some scattered departments in the economic social sciences, and realistically if you look at University presidents I don't think most would consider Whitley 'far left' given the population you're comparing him to, though he's definitely left of the median Overton window of the average American. I'd like to get someone who is more competent regardless of their political leanings otherwise aren't we just playing a different version of the DEI game? Get the best person for the job who comes in and kicks ass and I don't care what their plumbing is, what their pronouns are, or who they voted for in the last election.

But maybe I'm a weirdo.
 
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That is so odd. I was not aware of that. But everybody else in Nevada pays SS, right? Is it just Higher Ed, or K-12 or all state employees or what? Sorry, I'm an accountant.

Here is a snippet that mentions the Social Security Act of 1935 and mentioned amendments:

"The Social Security Act of 1935 excluded state and local government employees from Social Security coverage because of constitutional ambiguity over the federal government's authority to impose payroll taxes on public-sector employers and because these employees were already covered by DB pensions (Nuschler 2021). Beginning in the 1950s, a series of amendments were enacted that allowed state and local governments to enroll certain categories of employees in Social Security. By 1991, over 75 percent of them were covered by the program. Today, public-sector employees are permitted to remain outside of Social Security if their employer-provided retirement plans meet Internal Revenue Service Employment Tax Regulations, which require plan benefits to be sufficiently generous. To meet the generosity standard, a plan must provide members with an annual benefit for life that is at least equal in value to the annual PIA that members would have received had they participated in Social Security. The pensioner must be able to start benefits on or before reaching Social Security's FRA, which varies from 65 to 67 depending on the worker's year of birth."

From: https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v82n3/v82n3p1.html
 
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Nobody leaves a $ 565,000 academic job in the middle of the night without an extremely strong reason. When the facts come out about why he's going it'll be very interesting.

I hope the lack of a President doesn't put an impediment on hiring a new BB coach.
Hey, maybe it will actually help. Who else could stop the AD from making the hire, since there's no president?
 
Equally, can't collect it later in life.

I believe that's applicable to all state and local government entities in the state
The problem is as long as they put 40 quarters (10 years) into the private sector, then they can collect. While most people pay into SS their entire life, they would never get anything close to 4 times what a person who only pays for 10 years into the system. The SS system is based on your highest 35 years, and most people work significantly more than 35 years over their life time. plus other factor that can add to or deduct from what your final payment will be. Those who work for a governmental entity, and then work in the private sector, have found a way to work the system.
 
Here is a snippet that mentions the Social Security Act of 1935 and mentioned amendments:

"The Social Security Act of 1935 excluded state and local government employees from Social Security coverage because of constitutional ambiguity over the federal government's authority to impose payroll taxes on public-sector employers and because these employees were already covered by DB pensions (Nuschler 2021). Beginning in the 1950s, a series of amendments were enacted that allowed state and local governments to enroll certain categories of employees in Social Security. By 1991, over 75 percent of them were covered by the program. Today, public-sector employees are permitted to remain outside of Social Security if their employer-provided retirement plans meet Internal Revenue Service Employment Tax Regulations, which require plan benefits to be sufficiently generous. To meet the generosity standard, a plan must provide members with an annual benefit for life that is at least equal in value to the annual PIA that members would have received had they participated in Social Security. The pensioner must be able to start benefits on or before reaching Social Security's FRA, which varies from 65 to 67 depending on the worker's year of birth."

From: https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v82n3/v82n3p1.html
Thanks. I try not to learn anything on any day, but I learned something here. I've lived and worked in Washington and Idaho my whole life, so was blissfully unaware of all this.
 
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