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Looks like recruiting has picked up!

I agree our first choice should be a established HC. There is a reason that Odom is outperforming all of our last coaches. We should prioritize getting the next Odom. Patterson being a great example.

But if we decide to elevate an existing coordinator, then Shibest is arguably the best candidate.

Also elevating an existing candidate tends to be more successful that bringing in an outside coordinator. We have never been good enough to have our Football coach hired away.

But I do prefer extending Odom ASAP, raising his buyout, then taking that buyout money to go hire the best established coach we can afford.

Rich Rodriguez....

I think this is all premature speculation but it's a bye week so why not.

There's a connection there. And he may or may not have been close to taking the job prior to Odom. I cannot confirm or deny that statement.

A Lot can change but..

Exactly. There is also a weird scenario like what if BSU, UNLV and CSU all go unbeaten from here on out and CSU gets in the CCG game. Yet UNLV and Boise could be ranked #1 and #2 in the G5 if that happens. Could get dicey.

If CSU gets to the MWC championship, there is almost zero chance UNLV goes to the playoffs. With the assumption BSU gets to the MWC championship game, even a bad loss to CSU wouldn't drop them below UNLV.
If that scenario happens, not a single MWC will be in the playoff. CSU doesnt have the schedule to be high enough ranked over the AAC champion and probably even Liberty at 1 loss... So Boise wont be a G5 conference champion, and neither would we and thats the first qualifier.
The dicey part happens when CSU somehow makes it undefeated in conference play by avoiding the top 2 teams in the conference, one who has a 5 point loss to the other. That's where there will be a lot of conversation on the unbalanced conference schedule and how fair is it that CSU didnt play either top team and UNLV only had 1 loss to Boise... Thats where the conversation will be because everyone wants to see that rematch, not Boise stomping CSU by 40 at home.

Looks like recruiting has picked up!

With Marion there might be a red flag if there is any truth to him offering NIL to our former QB without Barry knowing about it. I like the idea of sticking with a defensive minded coach. Going back to where we ended up with Utah's OC as our head coach when their DC was also interested in us. I would say we blew that one. Arroyo is another example of a former OC that couldn't get the results we wanted. My two cents.

Between the two Scherer.

But we don't make that call so who knows.

If Odom were to leave my guess is he will go about it in the most professional way possible. He'll give Harper plenty of notice. I also think he would actually give Harper his opinion on who he thinks would be a good candidate to replace him. He and Harper have a good relationship and Odom seems like a real stand up guy.

A Lot can change but..

I rooted against them the other day. It didn't work. My next play will be a money line bet on CSU and that should get them a loss.
The target must be on the back of CSU - Need that one loss for UNLV to go to the MWC championship game. If so many said it would be really hard for UNLV to beat BSU twice, wouldn't the reverse also be true? Also BSU doesn't have that extra week plus one day of practice advantage over UNLV if they meet again!

A Lot can change but..

It isn't almost, it is a zero chance.

The Auto G5 spot has to be a conference champion. Which is why we would get the nod over Boise if we beat them, regardless of head to head resumes.

The only other way is to get an at large. which would mean us being ranked basically in the top 10. That isn't happening with going 4-0 the rest of the way. So if CSU gets in the Champ game, we are out.

Time to root against CSU!
While it is near impossible for UNLV without getting to the MWC championship, I always leave that little bit of room by saying almost impossible.
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A Lot can change but..

It isn't almost, it is a zero chance.

The Auto G5 spot has to be a conference champion. Which is why we would get the nod over Boise if we beat them, regardless of head to head resumes.

The only other way is to get an at large. which would mean us being ranked basically in the top 10. That isn't happening with going 4-0 the rest of the way. So if CSU gets in the Champ game, we are out.

Time to root against CSU!
I rooted against them the other day. It didn't work. My next play will be a money line bet on CSU and that should get them a loss.

A Lot can change but..

If CSU gets to the MWC championship, there is almost zero chance UNLV goes to the playoffs. With the assumption BSU gets to the MWC championship game, even a bad loss to CSU wouldn't drop them below UNLV.
It isn't almost, it is a zero chance.

The Auto G5 spot has to be a conference champion. Which is why we would get the nod over Boise if we beat them, regardless of head to head resumes.

The only other way is to get an at large. which would mean us being ranked basically in the top 10. That isn't happening with going 4-0 the rest of the way. So if CSU gets in the Champ game, we are out.

Time to root against CSU!

PAC HIRES OCTAGON

Yes, but i would assume that the buyouts could be less.

The exit fees are driven by remaining money gauranteed from their existing contract. They tend to reduce the closer to the end of the contract, not increase.

As for exit fee negotiation I found this from an article when SDSU was flirting with the PAC last year:

“Exit fees are there for a reason, but they’re also highly negotiable and can be overcome, regardless of what it says in writing or in the by-laws of the conference,” retired Fox Sports Networks President Bob Thompson explained on Episode 79 of The SDSU Podcast. “So, I don’t look at any of these dates as a huge issue. Certainly, if you play it right down the middle per the terms of the by-laws or the Grant of Rights, whatever the governing agreement is for the Mountain West Conference is, it’s pretty simple, but even if all the circumstances don’t fall in line the way you wish, it’s still possible to move on.”

Thompson pointed to a recent precedent to prove his insight. When Oklahoma and Texas left the Big XII, the exit fee, according to the agreement the universities signed, should have been two years of conference revenue. In 2023, the Big XII revenue with OU and UT included would have been $37 million for each team. The exit fee should have been $147 million combined for both schools. Texas and Oklahoma agreed to pay $100 million, a 32% reduction of that total.



This also talks about exit fees being driven by conference revenue. With reduced conference revenue gauranteed in the books ( with a contract expiring) fees will likely go down.

I agree that the ship with Memphis and the other AAC teams has probably sailed. BUT to play devils advocate, they are getting ~ 9 mill currently, but that won't last forever. Not sure when that expires, but just like us, when you lose your 4 best markets, you are not going to be making the same. The new AAC teams are not making the full 9, but they were promised an equal share eventually. The top of the AAC will likely be making less sooner than later? How much less, hard to say.


Also to point out the Big 12 as a point of reference. Their total exit fees are very close the the total exit fees the traiterous 5 are due to the MW. We may be looking at 100 mil, not 145 mil.
When everything washes out, I can easily see both Memphis and UNLV being prime targets for the Big 12.

Jeanty

I saw some tweet somewhere saying the UNLV resorted to "dirty tactics" in our game last week.

Anyone else see this?

It feels to me that people looked at the box score and assumed that we must have done something dirty.

But for dirty? Naw. No flags, and there was some gamesmanship with piling on and pushing off and things of that nature. You know, the same stuff that has been going on since Jim Brown?

GFTOH
The only team caught on tape throwing punches was Boise State. Funny how that gets ignored.

A Lot can change but..

Exactly. There is also a weird scenario like what if BSU, UNLV and CSU all go unbeaten from here on out and CSU gets in the CCG game. Yet UNLV and Boise could be ranked #1 and #2 in the G5 if that happens. Could get dicey.
If CSU gets to the MWC championship, there is almost zero chance UNLV goes to the playoffs. With the assumption BSU gets to the MWC championship game, even a bad loss to CSU wouldn't drop them below UNLV.

Light at the end of the tunnel.

If the MWC stays at 8 teams, then UNLV would need to pick up another game each year after next year. I would make an all out effort to get teams from one of the major conferences only!
Good point. Keeping the conference slate slimmer gives us more opportunity to schedule a quality opponent, something we will need if we want to be a playoff contender
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Looks like recruiting has picked up!

I agree our first choice should be a established HC. There is a reason that Odom is outperforming all of our last coaches. We should prioritize getting the next Odom. Patterson being a great example.

But if we decide to elevate an existing coordinator, then Shibest is arguably the best candidate.

Also elevating an existing candidate tends to be more successful that bringing in an outside coordinator. We have never been good enough to have our Football coach hired away.

But I do prefer extending Odom ASAP, raising his buyout, then taking that buyout money to go hire the best established coach we can afford.
Someplace warm must be freezing over right now because I agree with this!
As long as it’s not MARION!

Light at the end of the tunnel.

Our OOC is pretty much set the next 3-4 years. Next year we play Sam Houston, UCLA, Miami OH and Idaho St. The following year we play N. TX, Akron and Cal. I'm not sure we can change any of those games or agreements. If we can, we should bump it up.
If the MWC stays at 8 teams, then UNLV would need to pick up another game each year after next year. I would make an all out effort to get teams from one of the major conferences only!

Looks like recruiting has picked up!

My guess, to keep recruiting going Marion might get 1st look. If Marion (or Scherer) were to get the job, I would 100% try and get special teams coach Shibest to stay. Offer him some title like assistant HC position to up his pay. I think he's been that impactful.
With Marion there might be a red flag if there is any truth to him offering NIL to our former QB without Barry knowing about it. I like the idea of sticking with a defensive minded coach. Going back to where we ended up with Utah's OC as our head coach when their DC was also interested in us. I would say we blew that one. Arroyo is another example of a former OC that couldn't get the results we wanted. My two cents.

Looks like recruiting has picked up!

I agree our first choice should be a established HC. There is a reason that Odom is outperforming all of our last coaches. We should prioritize getting the next Odom. Patterson being a great example.

But if we decide to elevate an existing coordinator, then Shibest is arguably the best candidate.

Also elevating an existing candidate tends to be more successful that bringing in an outside coordinator. We have never been good enough to have our Football coach hired away.

But I do prefer extending Odom ASAP, raising his buyout, then taking that buyout money to go hire the best established coach we can afford.

GCU to the Mountain West

Higher initial costs than I would have expected.

The WCC is going to the tubes without Gonzaga, I would imagine any of those teams are up for grabs for a reasonable price. Their TV payouts are going to tank.
Apparently that was the offer which at this point I would think GCU would negotiate. That article is already 4 days old I'm thinking maybe they are also trying to cut a deal with the Pac12. That would make sense if they want to be in a conference with Zag basketball. It will be interesting to see where they end up.

PAC HIRES OCTAGON

If a school leaves the AAC with less than 27 months' notice, the exit fee is about $27.5m. That number drops to $10m when given proper notice.

If schools are considering leaving the AAC to join the Pac-12, the projected exit cost is nearly $27.5 million per school. Yes, they could negotiate that down.

In 2023, Houston, Cincinnati, and UCF negotiated an early buyout to join the Big 12. The AAC reportedly wanted $45 million per school, but the buyout was negotiated down to $18 million per school. Add in the $27.5 from SMU and $17m from UConn.

Following the gorilla math, the AAC has close to $90m-$100m in just previous exit fees to entice their schools to stay. Similar to what Gloria is doing, adding an extra $3-4m, for the 4 schools per year for the next 3 year is absolutely doable.
Yes, but i would assume that the buyouts could be less.

The exit fees are driven by remaining money gauranteed from their existing contract. They tend to reduce the closer to the end of the contract, not increase.

As for exit fee negotiation I found this from an article when SDSU was flirting with the PAC last year:

“Exit fees are there for a reason, but they’re also highly negotiable and can be overcome, regardless of what it says in writing or in the by-laws of the conference,” retired Fox Sports Networks President Bob Thompson explained on Episode 79 of The SDSU Podcast. “So, I don’t look at any of these dates as a huge issue. Certainly, if you play it right down the middle per the terms of the by-laws or the Grant of Rights, whatever the governing agreement is for the Mountain West Conference is, it’s pretty simple, but even if all the circumstances don’t fall in line the way you wish, it’s still possible to move on.”

Thompson pointed to a recent precedent to prove his insight. When Oklahoma and Texas left the Big XII, the exit fee, according to the agreement the universities signed, should have been two years of conference revenue. In 2023, the Big XII revenue with OU and UT included would have been $37 million for each team. The exit fee should have been $147 million combined for both schools. Texas and Oklahoma agreed to pay $100 million, a 32% reduction of that total.



This also talks about exit fees being driven by conference revenue. With reduced conference revenue gauranteed in the books ( with a contract expiring) fees will likely go down.

I agree that the ship with Memphis and the other AAC teams has probably sailed. BUT to play devils advocate, they are getting ~ 9 mill currently, but that won't last forever. Not sure when that expires, but just like us, when you lose your 4 best markets, you are not going to be making the same. The new AAC teams are not making the full 9, but they were promised an equal share eventually. The top of the AAC will likely be making less sooner than later? How much less, hard to say.


Also to point out the Big 12 as a point of reference. Their total exit fees are very close the the total exit fees the traiterous 5 are due to the MW. We may be looking at 100 mil, not 145 mil.
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GCU to the Mountain West

Canzano is saying that GCU cost to join the MWC would be $3.5 million and they would earn $1.5 million in media rights "guaranteed" over 6 years.

edit: Forgot to post the link......

Higher initial costs than I would have expected.

The WCC is going to the tubes without Gonzaga, I would imagine any of those teams are up for grabs for a reasonable price. Their TV payouts are going to tank.

GCU to the Mountain West

We had to add UTEP to survive (sorry to any UTEP fans lurking on here). That alone should tell you how shaky of a situation the MWC is in. She could offer NMSU a half share and it's double their current deal. Same with Sam Houston State or WKU or even LA Tech. Tarleton State was talked to.
That is an option, but having an unbalanced pay schedule is a shaky proposition that usually ends poorly.

MW regretted it with Boise. The big 12 pushed A&M to the SEC because of it.

Sure UNLV and AFA are getting more this next contract, but that is just an unequal share of the fees. The base media contract will stay the same.

Adding a poor market at a reduced share now would at least save some money, but the rewards of that are low, while the risk could be high.

If UNLV hopefully leaves in the near future ( BIG 12 2028 babaaay!!, lol). Then there will likely be some other mix ups around college sports and a more fitting option may be there in the future.

If Sam or NMSU make a jump, and they start to compete at a high level in this conference and start demanding a higher share, you will start to get in trouble. Unlikely sure, but still possible.
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