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dcut03 · Sep 23, 2024

RebelinWA said:
I m not disagreeing with you; I m just saying be careful of the metrics.

Lets take CSU for example. Someone could write that CSU had more viewership than USC (3.7m across 9 games) and had 4x the viewership in 2023 over UNLV (1.148m)

2023 MWC

Team Games Avg Viewers (Millions) w/o Colorado
Colorado State 2 4.886 0.471

UNLV 3 1.148 N/A

The average viewership for CSU when broken down just tells me Deion generates viewership. That has nothing to do with Norvell or CSU. Without the Colorado numbers, CSU is just above New Mexico in viewership.

Now lets apply the same metrics in 2023 with OSU and WSU.

2023 Pac-12

Team Games Avg Viewers (Millions) w/o Colorado

Oregon State 9 2.318 2.261
Washington State 6 2.158 2.445

Without Colorado, those numbers shift; but its not nearly as drastic as with CSU w/without Colorado.

I’m sure if you average out UNLV without Michigan; they’re still in the top quarter of the Mountain west, but numbers need to be taken with context. We aren’t a national brand yet. I hope we can punch out the year and become one.

Source: https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

Averaging 2.2 mil between the 2 of them. Sure playing Oregon and USC, and to a lesser extent UCLA Utah juices those numbers, but still it is impressive. Our Kansas game was reported somewhere bewtween 800K to 1.2 mil, and that was good for us.
I think that WAZZU and OSU is worth about 20 mil per year for their annual revenue. They aren't worth 30, which is what the PAC 12 defectors are getting with the BIg 12, and definitely not worth to 50+ the Big 10 defectors are getting.
But to think that they aren't worth significantly more than all of the current MW at the very least most is foolish.
Can that continue without the rest of the old PAC, well no. But they have strong fan bases and are worth more than most are giving credit for.

Meister_Rebel · Sep 23, 2024

LocoRebel said:
To follow up, at this point, I might prefer UNLV to stay put. Get the lump sum payment rumored for remaining mwc schools, uneven distributions of media rights dollars, and improve your programs.

Just wanted to post this while still reading another article. But, apparently the MWC gave UNLV just until today to accept the package deal and sign the GOR. We may know very soon our future.

Bullmastiff 1 · Sep 23, 2024

reagan21 said:
If it was that easy where is the UTEP and NMSU invites? Where is the UNM invite? They have more TVs and support than Las Cruces or El Paso. The Pac2+ knows those can't be the 2. So, I guess you are right....but if it was as easy as inviting 2 teams with NMSU or UTEP's caliber, it would have happened.

I 99.99% believe there were backroom talks between Memphis and PAC early.

Memphis tells PAC Hell yeah! We're down! And if we go Tulane, UTSA, USF will follow.

All the while Memphis and those three schools are leveraging the potential move to the PAC to get a better deal out of the AAC.

I have this thing where I always underestimate how stupid people can actually be. I figured no way the PAC leadership would go full Leroy Jenkins! and do this unless they had assurances from other schools they could get it done.

Basically Memphis and Company Mick Cronin'd the PAC.

Meister_Rebel · Sep 23, 2024

LocoRebel said:
GOR doesn't have to be some crazy 15 year thing like the ACC did. Short term, I have no problem with. If any MWC school were to sign GOR for more than 5 years, I'd question that

I thought GOR's are tied to the media contract. We only have two years left.

RebelinWA · Sep 23, 2024

Couev said:
What if I took out Boise's Bowl Games and OOC schedule of Washington, Memphis, and UCF? Looking at the smaller OOC game, do you think Bryant draws more eyes than North Dakota?

This is essentially the same statistical argument that 'Charles Williams is a below average RB if you remove all of his long touchdown runs'. Sure, but aren't those statistical 'outliers' part of the the sample size when you're calculating things like total yards and yards per carry? The Michigan game is doing some heavy lifting in our numbers, but that's what you should get by scheduling a top 5 team on the road, but how much lifting is that game in Seattle doing?

I m not disagreeing with you; I m just saying be careful of the metrics.

Lets take CSU for example. Someone could write that CSU had more viewership than USC (3.7m across 9 games) and had 4x the viewership in 2023 over UNLV (1.148m)

2023 MWC

Team	Games	Avg Viewers (Millions)	w/o Colorado
Colorado State	2	4.886	0.471

UNLV

3

1.148

N/A

The average viewership for CSU when broken down just tells me Deion generates viewership. That has nothing to do with Norvell or CSU. Without the Colorado numbers, CSU is just above New Mexico in viewership.

Now lets apply the same metrics in 2023 with OSU and WSU.

2023 Pac-12

Team	Games	Avg Viewers (Millions)	w/o Colorado

Oregon State	9	2.318	2.261
Washington State	6	2.158	2.445

Without Colorado, those numbers shift; but its not nearly as drastic as with CSU w/without Colorado.

I’m sure if you average out UNLV without Michigan; they’re still in the top quarter of the Mountain west, but numbers need to be taken with context. We aren’t a national brand yet. I hope we can punch out the year and become one.

Source: https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

reagan21 · Sep 23, 2024

j. spilotro said:
Get them into third and medium, we will win. They don’t convert well. But I feel it’s similar to Kansas … get some pressure, we will win.

Also, any word yet on Sherrod? Gilliam wasn’t strong filling in.

I'll volunteer to watch the Skipper press conference, I guess. He missed last week but I bet he'll be ready for Saturday. It sounded like Saturday was a precaution against a team they could beat in their sleep.

reagan21 · Sep 23, 2024

dcut03 said:
One thing Gonzaga would do is increase units for the NCAA tournament. Which is a legit source of Revenue.
So I can kinda see it.

good point.

reagan21 · Sep 23, 2024

LocoRebel said:
If they add nmsu and utep today, they are getting more money in their tv deal than the MWC.

There aren't really people on this board that thing UNLV carries this market, are there? UNLV could be undefeated for 5 years and less than half of the people would be able to name the coach, quarterback, or conference UNLV is in.

If it was that easy where is the UTEP and NMSU invites? Where is the UNM invite? They have more TVs and support than Las Cruces or El Paso. The Pac2+ knows those can't be the 2. So, I guess you are right....but if it was as easy as inviting 2 teams with NMSU or UTEP's caliber, it would have happened.

1Tripoda · Sep 23, 2024

reagan21 said:
I forgot the rest of my post...

Mikey Keane is improved from last year but he can still be baited into really bad throws. They are a wide open offense. Pressure is key to get Mikey to make bad decisions. If we win the turnover battle I think we win the game. Catalan and Baldwin are primed for 2-3 Ints.

Anyone have word on McDuffie?

Game time decision according to Coach O. He just had press conference.

dcut03 · Sep 23, 2024

One thing Gonzaga would do is increase units for the NCAA tournament. Which is a legit source of Revenue.
So I can kinda see it.

Bullmastiff 1 · Sep 23, 2024

LocoRebel said:
If they add nmsu and utep today, they are getting more money in their tv deal than the MWC.

There aren't really people on this board that thing UNLV carries this market, are there? UNLV could be undefeated for 5 years and less than half of the people would be able to name the coach, quarterback, or conference UNLV is in.

There's truth to that...

But...

MWC actually has a media deal. Can go to say UTEP and NMSU and say we've talked to our partners and after analysis we can confidently predict X amount.

I'm not sure the PAC can do that as easily.

I'm still in the join the PAC with USU camp.

But.

MWC is starting to gain maybe not leverage, but at least a decent hill to defend and plant their flag. AFA staying is massive.

What's great is UNLV is the prettiest girl at the dance now. Everybody wants a dance.

dcut03 · Sep 23, 2024

Rod_the_Rebel said:
Can Sluka get his arse in the friggin pocket? Not so much yet ….

Actually he throws better on the move so far. It is kinda backwards, but he tends to overthrow guys with his feet set.
Is it nerves or adrenaline? Is it timing? Who knows. You'd think that would improve, right?
Either way I would like to see incorporating more pass plays, perhaps RPO's, with him rolling to his right. That awkward cross body sling pass has been his best throw so far this year.

Rod_the_Rebel · Sep 23, 2024

Can Sluka get his arse in the friggin pocket? Not so much yet ….

Rod_the_Rebel · Sep 23, 2024

LocoRebel said:
If they add nmsu and utep today, they are getting more money in their tv deal than the MWC.

There aren't really people on this board that thing UNLV carries this market, are there? UNLV could be undefeated for 5 years and less than half of the people would be able to name the coach, quarterback, or conference UNLV is in.

This is the truth

Rod_the_Rebel · Sep 23, 2024

Boston Rebel 2 said:
Not to mention the entertainment value of watching UNLV get boat raced on its home floor by about 30-40 points every other year.

Nahhhh mannnnn Kevin Kruger is totally competent……

And I am Chuck Norris

dcut03 · Sep 23, 2024

Do we know even what body part was injured. I have heard "lower extremity injury" which can obvisously be a lot. The way they have discussed it, it seems like he could return. It seems like they would say if it was season ending and he has had surgery.
Which means it could be a MCL which is usually 4-6 weeks depending on the grade of the sprain. It could be a major ankle sprain or a high ankle sprain which can take several weeks. I could also be a smaller fracture. Again no Idea. I haven't seen the injury and they have been purposefully vague.
Either way, I wouldn't expect him back this week.
I do think our LB depth has been very good and key to this season already. Powell has been good filling in.

Masked_rebel · Sep 23, 2024

LVRebel2000 said:
Supposedly that Gonzaga deal has not been agreed to . Doesn't mean that they won't, but as of now, it's not.

I'm wondering if this was an intentional leak to see what they could shake loose... maybe get someone to jump after getting constantly rejected... but yeah, a full share of media rights is nuts

reagan21 · Sep 23, 2024

Boston Rebel 2 said:
So what would the PAC have to gain by offering a full share? Reputation? Making it easier to attract football schools? A better network contract? Maybe it's not true but if it is I wonder the reasoning behind it.

I posted this elsewhere. It could mean ESPN is in the Pac2+ TV deal talks and they might be pushing hard to get their darling into a better conference.

LVRebel2000 · Sep 23, 2024

dcut03 said:
Yes it was announced at 24.5k, but they gave out 7200 free student tickets, and from the reports it seemed like a lot of the paid people didn't show.

From looking at the UNLV tickets site, it looks pretty good in terms of the number of seats sold. I'd guess that there are around 1500-2000 seats remaining in the lower bowl. I could be off on that, but if all of those people show, the lower bowl will be almost full. Hopefully, as it gets closer, we get a bunch of students and other locals that pick up tickets, and they have to open some upper level sections as well.

reagan21 · Sep 23, 2024

Sooooo, a smaller version of San Diego? You think Fresno carries central valley? Please. I bet 30% of of Fresno thinks David Carr is still the QB....hell I bet 70% of Los Angeles doesn't even know the name of their head coach or QB. It's TV in the market. It's so easy to get someone to turn a channel.

El Paso has a negative market share since TV hasn't made it down there yet.

LocoRebel · Sep 23, 2024

reagan21 said:
Anyone have word on McDuffie?

Man i hope he is able to go. I havent listened to the presser from today. I'm guessing it came up.

To me, McDuffie is critical in this game

LocoRebel · Sep 23, 2024

LocoRebel said:
If they add nmsu and utep today, they are getting more money in their tv deal than the MWC.

There aren't really people on this board that thing UNLV carries this market, are there? UNLV could be undefeated for 5 years and less than half of the people would be able to name the coach, quarterback, or conference UNLV is in.

To follow up, at this point, I might prefer UNLV to stay put. Get the lump sum payment rumored for remaining mwc schools, uneven distributions of media rights dollars, and improve your programs.

reagan21 · Sep 23, 2024

I forgot the rest of my post...

Mikey Keane is improved from last year but he can still be baited into really bad throws. They are a wide open offense. Pressure is key to get Mikey to make bad decisions. If we win the turnover battle I think we win the game. Catalan and Baldwin are primed for 2-3 Ints.

Anyone have word on McDuffie?

LocoRebel · Sep 23, 2024

reagan21 said:
Wrong. They're not a conference without 8. There are teams they can add other than UNLV, but would they want to? That kills their already iffy TV deal based on the 6 they have. They need Vegas...and they're going to have to tell SDSU to put its tail between its legs and invite UNLV.

If they add nmsu and utep today, they are getting more money in their tv deal than the MWC.

There aren't really people on this board that thing UNLV carries this market, are there? UNLV could be undefeated for 5 years and less than half of the people would be able to name the coach, quarterback, or conference UNLV is in.

LVRebel2000 · Sep 23, 2024

dcut03 said:
Gonzaga with a full share is crazy talk. They do get 4 mil per year, which is high considering the lack of football. I can see them wanting a decent bump for coming over. They have been flirting with the Big 12 over the years so they have a little bit of leverage.
If SMU joins too, would they get the same? yeesh, I don't know.
I like the idea of more Basketball than Football members. You need more members for basketball since it is hard to fill up the OOC with fewer conference games.

Supposedly that Gonzaga deal has not been agreed to . Doesn't mean that they won't, but as of now, it's not.

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