Bullmastiff 1 said:

Wait why would Dickert leave? It's a lateral move from one P4 conference to another? 😁

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Meister_Rebel said:

**** them. They didn't want us in the original four. They tried to **** over the MWC. Now they don't want to pay our scheduling agreement withdrawal fees. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

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You guys are meanies. I wake up Monday, Mateer is gone. I wake up today, our coach is gone. Probably have to cancel the Holiday Bowl as well. That'll bode well for future bids.

But go ahead and kick us while we are down. You whore-mongering gamblers have no shame or pity. I'll mourn for a day or two before posting "I told you so" a hundred times on my board about the reverse merger.

RebelinWA said:

Crazy how quickly that program is falling apart. Pac fans were telling me 2 years ago that we'd never beat OSU or WSU. Now I can't imagine either of those teams beating us.

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Agreed it feels like it happened overnight for them just a few months ago they were ranked and now it's hard to see how they come back from this without a major rebuild.

reagan21 said:

I'm sitting in my office like "I should be in L.A. right now." I'm being introduced into a new roll/promotion today. I'm not sure it's a good look to wave my hand tell my new team what we're going to do to succeed as a team in 2025 and then bounce at noon. I hate I'm working today. This team deserves UNLV fans in SoFi.

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Congrats on your promotion.

dcut03 said:

So should have Boise joined the MW or not? You bring up a good point us joining the PAC has some similarities to Boise joining the MW back in the day, if they were better off in the smaller conference?

End of the day the PAC will make more money per year baseline, they will make much more money in NCAA credits. conference SOS in football and basketball will be better easily.

These things can be overcome, but it does handicap the MW schools. IF there is a 1 loss or undefeated team in each conference, the PAC will get the nod in football. Easy. Unless the MW team has multiple upsets in the P4 that year.

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Yes, Boise should have joined the MW when they did. Things were much different then than they are now, and the situation almost completely different.

No CFP at the time and no indication that it was coming anytime soon. More revenue and better competition to enhance your status as a top 25 program. From what I’ve found the cost to leave the WAC was $5million. Getting out of the WAC for $5mil was probably worth it.

Boise was also walking into a league where they knew they’d be competitive, if not dominant on day one, which has proved out.

Comparing that decision to UNLVs is apples to oranges. Sure, if UNLV could’ve gone to the PAC under similar circumstances they would be silly not to, but that’s not the case.

It would have cost UNLV on the low side (winning in the courts) $10-$12 million, i.e. exit fees getting negotiated down from $18 million, to upwards of $25 million on the high side with the incentives given to stay.

And by all measures UNLV could not afford that. Forget resigning Odom even if Purdue hadn’t come calling, forget $3.5 million for Mullen, forget it all. We’d have had to mortgage everything just to be one of the worst teams with the fewest resources in the PAC.

The PAC isn’t and never will be a power conference. They won’t even be the clear premier G5 conference. Will they, along with the AAC be better than the MW? Yes, in the long term, absolutely yes. In the long term however more things are going to change, and the next two to three years probably matters more.

In the short term UNLV will have more resources to pursue a better long term outcome.

LVRebel2000 said:

WSU has been gutted the last 2 weeks. It's going to be tough sledding for them. They need a new coach right away to hope to retain what they have left. They've already lost their star QB.

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They have at least 20 players in the transfer portal. Coach should take a look.

SilverSpoon said:

I hope the Prez brings Harper a FAT extension and raise on Christmas Eve, rakes his yard, washes his car, reads him a Night Before Christmas, and tucks him in with a goodnight kiss on the forehead.

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Nothing says Merry Christmas better than a nice fat check...

Boston Rebel 2 said:

I read that Appalachian State was unable to match our salary offer. Not sure of the $$ just that it is lucrative. Not that they are a powerhouse but it is still unusual to actually read the words "they were unable to match UNLV's offer" in any sentence much less for an assistant coach. Harper is rising on my Christmas list.

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I hope the Prez brings Harper a FAT extension and raise on Christmas Eve, rakes his yard, washes his car, reads him a Night Before Christmas, and tucks him in with a goodnight kiss on the forehead.

I'm sitting in my office like "I should be in L.A. right now." I'm being introduced into a new roll/promotion today. I'm not sure it's a good look to wave my hand tell my new team what we're going to do to succeed as a team in 2025 and then bounce at noon. I hate I'm working today. This team deserves UNLV fans in SoFi.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

My heart really goes out to them. I can't imagine what it's been like watching your conference get decimated and all the uncertainty surrounding your program that comes with it.

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Nah, screw them and their stupid commissioner, lol. Being pretentious and sticking your nose up at MWC schools while you tired to single handedly blow up their conference in your favor is coming home to roost. If they had just joined up with the MWC wed be as close to the P4s and you can get. Instead they will be playing in a muddied version of the MWC with a new label and are about to experience the pain of giving Boise competitive advantages financially.

Boston Rebel 2 said:

Wow our salary is 30% higher than WSU who would have thought that even a year ago? Their attendance is 10% lower than ours this year with that huge deficit. How did that commissioner not beg us to come to their conference? SDSU will fit in well with that brain trust.

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Crazy how quickly that program is falling apart. Pac fans were telling me 2 years ago that we'd never beat OSU or WSU. Now I can't imagine either of those teams beating us.

RebelinWA said:

Cherry picking is a luxury that we don't really have. Neither does the Pac, but they won't admit it.

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Except the PAC has to add a team to get to the minimum. We aren't required to add anyone so unless it adds to our net income we shouldn't.

SilverSpoon said:

This is a total win-win. He could be pumping up a friend's salary. But, If it's genuine and we land this beast, FFS!

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I read that Appalachian State was unable to match our salary offer. Not sure of the $$ just that it is lucrative. Not that they are a powerhouse but it is still unusual to actually read the words "they were unable to match UNLV's offer" in any sentence much less for an assistant coach. Harper is rising on my Christmas list.

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Boston Rebel 2 said:

I wouldn't have wanted to add us 5 years ago either. If we aren't adding a team that contributes to the bottom line, and I don't see any way that happens here, then I don't get the point of adding teams just to add them.

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Cherry picking is a luxury that we don't really have. Neither does the Pac, but they won't admit it.

dcut03 said:

I can't see how adding any of these 4 teams wouldn't hurt the bottom line.

They are tiny, tiny markets.

Good at football at the FCS level, but really hard to see how they handle the jump. Most often there are major growing pains, and those are often at the lowest of the low in terms of FBS level.

Extrapolating both of those teams viewership on the one time they made it to ESPN, a heavily watched channel does no say much. What are their streaming numbers, since I imagine that is how most of their games are broadcast? We can't get those, but I bet the media partners can.

Then it costs each team an extra 5 mil a piece to make the jump. Could they indpendently afford that? Or will the MW have to dip into their funds that has already been promised to the existing members to do so?

All just to expand the conference beyond the minimum for what? adding extra conference games and diluting our overall SOS? ALl while reducing payouts for all exisiting members?

The addition of NIU kinda sucks, and having one travel partner seems to be a must. So I get that.

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Working on getting the numbers together from published data. Started a spreadsheet if anyone wants to take a look specifically between MW/PAC/potential members. Its a list I am still updating as I find more data, so its not quite complete. I don’t expect to get it to a done state, but I will try.

The largest limiter to the data I have is companies like CBS don't really share their numbers externally. Though, having seen those dashboards personally, I can tell you the divide between MW and Pac isn't significant.

We're playing in the factor of tens of thousands to hundred of thousands. Where as big schools talk in factors of hundreds of thousands to millions. There is a clear divide between the SEC/ Big vs the ACC/Big12. That jump exists between MW/Pac and AAC/MAC/Sunbelt/CUSA.

Meister_Rebel said:

Wazzu will fill the position but, with all their budget cuts in the athletic department they will be making a budget hire. Dickert was making $2.7 million from what I've read. I suspect the new coach will be closer to $2 million.

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Wow our salary is 30% higher than WSU who would have thought that even a year ago? Their attendance is 10% lower than ours this year with that huge deficit. How did that commissioner not beg us to come to their conference? SDSU will fit in well with that brain trust.

Meister_Rebel said:

**** them. They didn't want us in the original four. They tried to **** over the MWC. Now they don't want to pay our scheduling agreement withdrawal fees. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

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Sir I advise you take your ACME SARCASM DETECTOR back to Radio Shack and get a refund.

unlove said:

Schedule up every year. UNLV is quickly becoming a national brand in CFB and will be attractive to package for tv in noncon games. Mullen will also add to the appeal. Play a tough but winnable schedule and dominate the MWC. That’s a formula for CFP contention every year depending upon our noncon performance. I agree MWC should be temporary for UNLV. Shoot for Big12 and style for PAC if we don’t get an invite. PAC will take UNLV so long as we stay competitive.

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I agree as others have said be Gonzaga of football. Sometimes easier said than done because you don't get the top top teams to play now that we are better. Michigan doesn't have a lot to gain by beating us but a lot to lose by losing to us. We aren't that guaranteed W any more. You can probably get the ASU, ISU and Vandy's of the world but not OSU, Michigan, Georgia etc.

RebelinWA said:

19k would be 2600 more than what we averaged just 5 years ago. I get it, different era. But we aren't that far away from that number.

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I wouldn't have wanted to add us 5 years ago either. If we aren't adding a team that contributes to the bottom line, and I don't see any way that happens here, then I don't get the point of adding teams just to add them.

reagan21 said:

Catalon doeant have eligibility left

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Oh ok thought he had a Covid year still.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

My heart really goes out to them. I can't imagine what it's been like watching your conference get decimated and all the uncertainty surrounding your program that comes with it.

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**** them. They didn't want us in the original four. They tried to **** over the MWC. Now they don't want to pay our scheduling agreement withdrawal fees. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

rebswin2 said:

Wazzu and Oregon State are the two schools affected the most (negatively) by conference realignment since the SWC fell apart and SMU, TCU, Rice and Houston were left behind.

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My heart really goes out to them. I can't imagine what it's been like watching your conference get decimated and all the uncertainty surrounding your program that comes with it.

I can't see how adding any of these 4 teams wouldn't hurt the bottom line.

They are tiny, tiny markets.

Good at football at the FCS level, but really hard to see how they handle the jump. Most often there are major growing pains, and those are often at the lowest of the low in terms of FBS level.

Extrapolating both of those teams viewership on the one time they made it to ESPN2, a heavily watched channel does no say much. What are their streaming numbers, since I imagine that is how most of their games are broadcast? We can't get those, but I bet the media partners can.

Then it costs each team an extra 5 mil a piece to make the jump. Could they indpendently afford that? Or will the MW have to dip into their funds that has already been promised to the existing members to do so?

All just to expand the conference beyond the minimum for what? adding extra conference games and diluting our overall SOS? ALl while reducing payouts for all exisiting members?

The addition of NIU kinda sucks, and having one travel partner seems to be a must. So I get that.

Wait why would Dickert leave? It's a lateral move from one P4 conference to another? 😁

bcvegaspt2 said:

Your points are good.

This just goes to my earlier belief and assertion that Oregon State and Washington State are MWC-caliber without the P5 label.

They will become the Wyoming (with a little easier travel) and UTEP of their new conference.

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Damn. That UTEP comparison was something I thought earlier.