Where we are at.

[Bullmastiff 1]

Quite frankly none of us know really.

All kinds of machinations going on behind the scenes.

Hard to make sense of any of it.

Possible scenarios of what we know and what we can only speculate.

We obviously know UNLV is currently not in the revamped PAC.

What we don't know is the why?

Were they not even considered? Seems very unlikely. Possible but pretty unlikely.

Did UNLV turn down an invite. Also Possible but highly unlikely unless...UNLV knows it's moving to the BIG12..Possible who knows.

Was UNLV not included in original announcement for monetary reasons? Possibly. Is PAC waiting to announce further expansion in an attempt to lessen potential exit fees?

I cannot imagine anyone at UNLV thinks remaining in the MWC is a viable option at this point. Because it isn't. Conference just lost two of its top football schools. SDSU is struggling now but was arguably best team in conference for a 3-4 year stretch not so long ago. You also lost your top basketball program and two others that have been solid.

AFA has to be considering a move to the AAC to join ARMY/NAVY at this point.

There really isn't much of a path for the MWC to reload even with an influx of exit fee money. There simply aren't any viable candidates to keep the conference viable. NMSU? Texas State? Rice? None bring enough to the table to lift the profile of conference. Not sure a new look MWC could broker a TV deal beter than what they currently have.

Purely a guess here..

Either UNLV will be announced later after they work out whatever hurdles there are.

Or

UNLV is in talks with Big12.

Otherwise Rebs are in huge trouble.

Anybody else have any thoughts on why things have played out the way they have so far? Or where they think this is going?

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

If reporters are doing their job they need to be pressing the school and the board as to why and if it is because of Reno what an epically stupid decision that is.

 

[1Tripoda]

Heard everything. UNLV only accept invite if Reno is included. Big12 board of governors are meeting at Allegiant. PAC want UNLV and AFA. My head hurts. I say, just sit back and relax.

 

[Gator 82]

Heard everything. UNLV only accept invite if Reno is included. Big12 board of governors are meeting at Allegiant. PAC want UNLV and AFA. My head hurts. I say, just sit back and relax.

Well if the B12 does come a calling. We can’t let those meth head, trailer trash troglodytes hold us back.

 

[bcvegaspt2]

If reporters are doing their job they need to be pressing the school and the board as to why and if it is because of Reno what an epically stupid decision that is.

Reporters stopped doing their job years ago. We are going to have to rely on rumors at this point.

 

[ckfitz]

Quite frankly none of us know really.

All kinds of machinations going on behind the scenes.

Hard to make sense of any of it.

Possible scenarios of what we know and what we can only speculate.

We obviously know UNLV is currently not in the revamped PAC.

What we don't know is the why?

Were they not even considered? Seems very unlikely. Possible but pretty unlikely.

Did UNLV turn down an invite. Also Possible but highly unlikely unless...UNLV knows it's moving to the BIG12..Possible who knows.

Was UNLV not included in original announcement for monetary reasons? Possibly. Is PAC waiting to announce further expansion in an attempt to lessen potential exit fees?

I cannot imagine anyone at UNLV thinks remaining in the MWC is a viable option at this point. Because it isn't. Conference just lost two of its top football schools. SDSU is struggling now but was arguably best team in conference for a 3-4 year stretch not so long ago. You also lost your top basketball program and two others that have been solid.

AFA has to be considering a move to the AAC to join ARMY/NAVY at this point.

There really isn't much of a path for the MWC to reload even with an influx of exit fee money. There simply aren't any viable candidates to keep the conference viable. NMSU? Texas State? Rice? None bring enough to the table to lift the profile of conference. Not sure a new look MWC could broker a TV deal beter than what they currently have.

Purely a guess here..

Either UNLV will be announced later after they work out whatever hurdles there are.

Or

UNLV is in talks with Big12.

Otherwise Rebs are in huge trouble.

Anybody else have any thoughts on why things have played out the way they have so far? Or where they think this is going?

Bull, it was reported in today's paper that the Regents don't want UNLV to leave the MW without Reno being included. It's stated in the paper. I am royally pissed.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Heard everything. UNLV only accept invite if Reno is included. Big12 board of governors are meeting at Allegiant. PAC want UNLV and AFA. My head hurts. I say, just sit back and relax.

From a reliable source?

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Bull, it was reported in today's paper that the Regents don't want UNLV to leave the MW without Reno being included. It's stated in the paper. I am royally pissed.

If that is accurate and all that is holding this up, then time to flood them with emails..

Here's a link.

Have at it boys and girls..

Current Regents – NSHE Board of Regents

nshe.nevada.edu

 

[Mojo702]

Bull, it was reported in today's paper that the Regents don't want UNLV to leave the MW without Reno being included. It's stated in the paper. I am royally pissed.

If that is truly the case, the Regents are a bunch of dumbasses. It's one of those "cutting off the nose to spite the face" moments. They will come to regret that decision.

 

[ckfitz]

If that is accurate and all that is holding this up, then time to flood them with emails..

Here's a link.

Have at it boys and girls..

Current Regents – NSHE Board of Regents

nshe.nevada.edu

You are write and thanks for the link. It was a direct quote reported in the Review-Journal.

 

[WarthogRebel]

This isn't about going to a better conference. The new conference will still be a G5 conference.

This is about not staying with a conference that is destined to descend to the depths of mediocrity. Right now, the MWC will need to back fill 4 teams that are considerably lower in desirability. ( If AF leaves and takes one other we will need 6 teams ) Most likely we will add some bottom feeding FBS teams and some FCS teams.

Our TV revenue will crater and it will be nearly impossible to maintain what we have.

The new conference would give us a chance to stay at least at our current level and have a fighting chance to perhaps move up. Staying with the MW almost guarantees we'll have zero chance to move up when an opportunity presents itself.

 

[reagan21]

Bull, it was reported in today's paper that the Regents don't want UNLV to leave the MW without Reno being included. It's stated in the paper. I am royally pissed.

Don't want and having the power to block are two different things

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Don't want and having the power to block are two different things

They do manage the purse strings though correct? (If I'm not feel free to tell me I'm an idiot)

That said I think the UNLV 'exclusion' had more to do with exit fees than anything else. Still think they are in the mix.

 

[Stoker016]

Here is the reality. UNLV was call #1 from the Pac. UNLV Leadership onboard. Regents said no unless UNR included, as many have said. It's a travesty. Pac fine waiting us out because they do not want UNR, and do not believe the Big12 is interested in us. So time is on their side. Take it for what it's worth. Our state leadership screwed this up in a major way. The pac wanting to wait for exit fees talk is somewhat true, but it wasnt going to apply to UNLV. They would have held out on Fresno or CSU.

 

[LVRebel2000]

Here is the reality. UNLV was call #1 from the Pac. UNLV Leadership onboard. Regents said no unless UNR included, as many have said. It's a travesty. Pac fine waiting us out because they do not want UNR, and do not believe the Big12 is interested in us. So time is on their side. Take it for what it's worth. Our state leadership screwed this up in a major way. The pac wanting to wait for exit fees talk is somewhat true, but it wasnt going to apply to UNLV. They would have held out on Fresno or CSU.

The regents are idiots if this is true.

 

[Stoker016]

Im a nobody when it comes to UNLV leadership, but I have some connections with state leadership. This is what I was told. We'll see if true. About what I'd expect though from our state leadership

The regents are idiots if this is true.

 

[1Tripoda]

Yep. Heard the same thing. #1 call but we got coat tailed by UNR.

 

[Stoker016]

The only game changer here is if the Big12 is infact interested. Regents wont make the Big12 take reno too. That would be shocking. And UNLV could be simply using the pac invite to pitch themselves more the Big12. Who knows really. All a mess

 

[Doneoett]

The only game changer here is if the Big12 is infact interested. Regents wont make the Big12 take reno too. That would be shocking. And UNLV could be simply using the pac invite to pitch themselves more the Big12. Who knows really. All a mess

No way this is what is happening, UNLV gets played in these situations not do the playing.

 

[reagan21]

The only game changer here is if the Big12 is infact interested. Regents wont make the Big12 take reno too. That would be shocking. And UNLV could be simply using the pac invite to pitch themselves more the Big12. Who knows really. All a mess

I can assure you this is true. How much interest? Eh. I have a lot friends in the ADs offices at BYU and Utah. Erick Harper has been pretty proactive the last couple years. We've been shopping ourselves around, and it's a secret in plain sight. The implosion after USC and UCLA left the Pac12 was not really something that was foreseen. UNLV was speaking with both the Pac12 and Big12 at that time. Once Arizona and Colorado made an alliance to destroy the Pac12, UNLV's chances were obliterated.

Here are the NSHE guidelines:

"Any change by an NSHE institution in its athletic conference membership requiring an NSHE institution to vote on approval shall be approved by the Board on recommendation of the President and Chancellor with full consideration of all factors to include student competition in intercollegiate sports appropriate to the institution, fiscal resources available, and sound standards of student academic performance."

However, there is nothing in the bylaws that say when and if a vote is actually required for conference membership changes. Just that if a vote is required, one must be taken. This provision also says the bor SHALL vote to approve on recommendation of the President and Chancellor. You know Whitfield would be on board. Just need chancellor to sign off based on the following:

". . .student competition in intercollegiate sports appropriate to the institution, fiscal resources available, and sound standards of student academic performance."

Not sure how a move to another conference would not be appropriate given those factors.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

The Big 12 talk is just nonsense. They don't want us. What we need to do now is call AF and together ask the AAC if they have room for us. They are paying 7 million per team. Our next MWC media contract is going to pay about 1 million. If we get the invite to AAC we jump with AF. Let the BOR and our school attorneys fight it out after the fact. Staying in the MWC is not a good option it will destroy us. How stupid can the BOR be for destroying one of it's State Institutions. President Whitfield needs to have some balls and do what is right for the University, the student athletes, the fans, and the community.

 

[reagan21]

The Big 12 talk is just nonsense. They don't want us. What we need to do now is call AF and together ask the AAC if they have room for us. They are paying 7 million per team. Our next MWC media contract is going to pay about 1 million. If we get the invite to AAC we jump with AF. Let the BOR and our school attorneys fight it out after the fact. Staying in the MWC is not a good option it will destroy us. How stupid can the BOR be for destroying one of it's State Institutions. President Whitfield needs to have some balls and do what is right for the University, the student athletes, the fans, and the community.

Most powerbrokers in the Big12 agree (behind closed doors of course) that they foresee a dismantling of the Big12 in the next 4-6 years. They know it's them or the ACC. That's why they've been trying to get the Florida schools and Clemson on board. If you're not the Big10 or SEC, it's all about survival. Texas and Oklahoma knew it. They wanted their move the SEC to not include any other schools. They are going to revel in the burning of their former conference.

 

[Stoker016]

Most powerbrokers in the Big12 agree (behind closed doors of course) that they foresee a dismantling of the Big12 in the next 4-6 years. They know it's them or the ACC. That's why they've been trying to get the Florida schools and Clemson on board. If you're not the Big10 or SEC, it's all about survival. Texas and Oklahoma knew it. They wanted their move the SEC to not include any other schools. They are going to revel in the burning of their former conference.

One of the better points made. Everyone is so focused on trying to get into the Big12, but the Big12 may fold before the ACC does. This will be about 2 conferences. Are you Big10 or SEC? If not, you are irrlevent. One thing, oddly, that could prevent or delay much of this, is if the PAC does somehow add back Cal and stanford, along with and FSU and Clemson. It would help keep some of the larger non Big and Sec schools elsewhere. Both the SEC and Big10 are waiting for ACC to fold. The second it does, they will add the few high valued schools and leave the rest for pac and big12. They don't need to wait for the Big12 to fold. They already have who they want from that conference.

 

[1Tripoda]

One of the better points made. Everyone is so focused on trying to get into the Big12, but the Big12 may fold before the ACC does. This will be about 2 conferences. Are you Big10 or SEC? If not, you are irrlevent. One thing, oddly, that could prevent or delay much of this, is if the PAC does somehow add back Cal and stanford, along with and FSU and Clemson. It would help keep some of the larger non Big and Sec schools elsewhere. Both the SEC and Big10 are waiting for ACC to fold. The second it does, they will add the few high valued schools and leave the rest for pac and big12. They don't need to wait for the Big12 to fold. They already have who they want from that conference.

I can see the BIG would gobbled up the ACC elite academic schools like UNC, Duke, Virginia..

 

[ckfitz]

This isn't about going to a better conference. The new conference will still be a G5 conference.

This is about not staying with a conference that is destined to descend to the depths of mediocrity. Right now, the MWC will need to back fill 4 teams that are considerably lower in desirability. ( If AF leaves and takes one other we will need 6 teams ) Most likely we will add some bottom feeding FBS teams and some FCS teams.

Our TV revenue will crater and it will be nearly impossible to maintain what we have.

The new conference would give us a chance to stay at least at our current level and have a fighting chance to perhaps move up. Staying with the MW almost guarantees we'll have zero chance to move up when an opportunity presents itself.

And, truthfully, how do you think that Coach Odom is taking all of this?

 

[ckfitz]

Here is the reality. UNLV was call #1 from the Pac. UNLV Leadership onboard. Regents said no unless UNR included, as many have said. It's a travesty. Pac fine waiting us out because they do not want UNR, and do not believe the Big12 is interested in us. So time is on their side. Take it for what it's worth. Our state leadership screwed this up in a major way. The pac wanting to wait for exit fees talk is somewhat true, but it wasnt going to apply to UNLV. They would have held out on Fresno or CSU.

Although, there is no proof just speculation. The day after we beat Houston, the Big12 cut off negotiations with the University of Connecticut without explanation.