We have done that in the past and barely won and lost.
Hopefully, we are good enough though that we can win Vanilla
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We have done that in the past and barely won and lost.
Hopefully, we are good enough though that we can win Vanilla
They should be able to win purely by being the bigger more physical and athletic team.
Arroyo's lack of decision making on who will be the quarterback is telling of a coach that can't make a decision. He hasn't had a named starter going into any season. Who started the first game last year? Justin Rogers! Arroyo goes through this paralysis by analysis to figure out who the best QB is instead of making a decision and moving forward. Just pick someone so the team can rally around that person.. does no good when the team doesn't know who is leading them.
Yeah, that decision last year was horrible. JR ended up improving later in the year, but at the beginning of the year, he looked like a deer in the headlights. It was night and day once Brum came into the first game.
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I have listened to him speak too many times now about the QB position and he talks like a QB coach and not like a Head Coach. He is stuck to much in details, he is obviously intelligent, but I fear he hasn't been able to make the transition from coordinator to head coach.
Guess we'll find out soon. My guess is that he goes with Brum to start game 1, mostly because of his familiarity with the team and the offense.
Smart-ass senior, here.
So, if I am understanding this, Arroyo is a lousy coach because he hasn't announced a starting qb to the public?
That having them compete is a bad thing? Or, simply keeping the decision to himself/staff/team?
Seriously, those of you on the inside, with real knowledge, could help us out. Is there dissension among the qbs? Is Arroyo incapable of making a decision, or is it his strategy?
I will not pretend to know the answers. I am a fan who attends games. I am not on the inside. There are some great possibilities written in this thread. But, anybody have facts?
So, if I am understanding this, Arroyo is a lousy coach because he hasn't announced a starting qb to the public?
That having them compete is a bad thing? Or, simply keeping the decision to himself/staff/team?
Seriously, those of you on the inside, with real knowledge, could help us out. Is there dissension among the qbs? Is Arroyo incapable of making a decision, or is it his strategy?
I will not pretend to know the answers. I am a fan who attends games. I am not on the inside. There are some great possibilities written in this thread. But, anybody have facts?
Not too smart ass, if it were only for a strategic advantage then you could understand his decision-making. But it's not, based off the past couple of years, he is incapable of sticking to a QB. Some of that may be due to injury.. but not all of it. He has routinely played multiple QBs and not committed to anyone.
Justin Rogers started game one last year because Doug missed time in camp due to injury..
How do you know he hasn't actually chosen a QB? What coaches say and what they end up doing aren't always the same. It's week one vs an opponent they should easily handle. Both QBs were/are very likely to see reps regardless of who is the starter.
Its possible that the competition has simply been that close..
Even if he did name a starter, half the board would be bitching and crying it should have been Doug and the other half it should have been Harrison.
Can almost guarantee he knows exactly who the starter is and that starter knows who it is … as well as the rest of the team … and then gag order to the media.
I agree that coach Arroyo has most likely already determined who the starting QB will be for Saturday!
The report from Joe Arrigo is that Brumfield looked the best in the spring. Had an injury in fall camp, and Rogers just killed it in fall camp.
Of course we know the rest of the story.
Take that how you like. Arrigo is the biggest homer, but he does have a lot access to the program.
Does it matter if he has decide who will start the game if that QB knows that other QBs will get snaps? 7 of the 11 games last year 2 QBs played. He can't commit to one QB. He plays this little game of competition, but at the end of the day, someone has to win and be named the start moving forward.
In 2020, every game he played multiple QBs.
In 2020, every game he played multiple QBs.
Year two was totally about injury. Starting in fall camp.
Doug missed something like 5+ practices at a crucial time of camp heading into the season opener.
Rogers had majority of first team reps because of that. He got the week one start. Struggled, and was replaced by Doug.
There was no controversy heading into week 2. Doug got the job and got banged up in ASU game.
Then Rogers played poorly and was also banged up.
Arroyo was forced to go to Friel because of injury. This is something he didn't want to do. Friel played zero football his senior year in Hawaii (Covid). The staff wanted to red shirt him. He was forced to play. That isn't Arroyo flip flopping on his QBs.
Rogers then was forced back into action because Friel got hurt. He actually played one of the best half of football I've seen a QB play and it was against a very very good SDSU defense. He then laid an egg the following week. Friel got healthy and essentially the starter the rest of the way.
I don't want to hear about Tate Martell either. According to Tate, he was nursing an injury as well. If that wasn't true then he was incapable of beating out a true freshman in Friel and shouldn't have been the starter anyway.
I'm not seeing a flip flopping on QBs..
I know this wasn't directed at me, but I don't think anyone is implying that competition is a bad thing. It's great that we have multiple guys that appear to be solid candidates to win the QB1 spot. This thread was meant as more general banter on who we think should be QB1, who we think will get the spot, etc.
I don't remember what the issue was last year, but I feel like I remember Brum having some sort of punishment due to being late, missing practice, or something like that (Edit: he was injured and missed practices), which then resulted in Arroyo giving the start to Justin Rodgers. Feel free to correct me with I'm wrong. Regardless of the reasoning though, that decision cost us the 1st game. I still support him and the team either way, but I'm just hoping we get it right to start the season on Saturday, and get a little positive momentum going prior to our 2nd game at Cal.
Edit: Saw that someone above me cleared up the issue with Brumfield last year.
Yes pretty much. It's not just in game injury, its guys being limited in practice during the week. If QB 1 misses 4 days of practice leading up to the game QB 2 is likely going to get a shot. And as luck would have it he performed poorly or also got hurt and forced the coaches hand..
If Doug stayed healthy he's the number 1 all last year and we never even see Friel.
Remeber Justin Rogers played the entire Hawaii and had maybe the best Rebel QB single game performance in 10 years.
And that was it.
He obvisouly has some talent and capability. Consistency, not at all.
And that was it.
He obvisouly has some talent and capability. Consistency, not at all.
To be clear, I was commenting on the fact that there can be many reasons for not naming a starting qb in the press.
Last year's injuries were indeed an important factor.
Last year's injuries were indeed an important factor.
Yeah, that was a crazy game. I remember watching it like, where was this JR previously? Good stuff, but definitely need more consistency.
Wasn't Hawaii. He played the majority of the SDSU game and went off (15-21, over 300 yds). End result was the L, but he played great.
He then started the last game against AF and was shellacked along with the rest of the team.
You're right. I can't believe I mixed those 2 games up. Since Hawaii was the one game I actually attended last season in person, lol.
Sucks to not be young
It was a six game season.
He had a true freshman in Doug and he had Gilliam.
Right or wrong I think Arroyo viewed it as a throw away year. He wanted to see what he had...I'm not sure he was overly concerned with Ws and Ls. More talent evaluation.
If he started and stuck with Max Gilliam I'm not sure it changes our record.
On the flipside it may have been detrimental to hand Doug the keys to a bad team and watch him struggle all year.
He put him in sporadically to get him live game reps.
Again we can debate the merits of a 'throw away' year.
But if not for a rash of injuries both prior to and during the season, he would have landed on one starter last year.
Friel started and played the whole game vs Hawaii...
The Rogers game you are thinking of was vs SDSU. He threw for 305 yards and I think that was in relief of Friel who got hurt.
That's what made it so impressive, was he did that vs arguably the best defense UNLV faced all year..Especially when you consider how bad he looked most of the season.
It's like Palendech's career game vs Wyoming...Nobody saw that coming..
It's pretty crazy that we have 5 QB's currently listed on the roster, and all of them are either Freshman or Sophomores.
Just scrolled through the rosters of some of the P5 teams. How many skilled positions players they have on their roster. I counted between 5-7 QBs on top teams. 5-7 RBs. UNLV TE's position is very thin compare to the rest of the nation. The list goes on. I trust Arroyo will make to corrections as times go on.
My 14 Y.O. son just starting freshman football. He's 6'0 280 DL second stringer. 1st time playing football. 4.0 GPA type of kid that runs really fast and naturally have super strength. Dont know the game yet. Never lift any weight or lose any fight.
Just a lot of friends who are cerebral and athletes and gamers. This new generation is quite powerful. I am impressed. They open doors for ladies and respect their elders. They are just friends despite the divisiveness of their parents because of the political bullcraps.
Good for you and your family. I have a 14-year-old grandson in Montana playing 6-man football. He has his first game a week from Saturday. He’s a freshman but he’s starting at running back. 6’ - 150. Really fast but thin. Hope he doesn’t get hurt.
My son’s freshman team shutout another high school JV team yesterday before they call the
Kind of expected that. He’s good enough as it is; but he had more of the system down, familiarity… should be a blowout; expecting reps for both.
