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Listening to the podcast with Cofield and Caleb Herring this morning, Caleb is thinking that Brumfield is currently the leader to be the starting QB next week. What do you guys think? He also stated that at the moment, he thinks the TN transfer, Harrison Bailey, may also be behind Friel on the depth chart, based on Caleb's observations at practices.

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Part of his statement also expands on Bailey. He thinks he just hasn't fully learned the playbook, and isn't comfortable with the system, so we're probably not seeing the best version of him yet. As he gains experience, hopefully his execution will increase as well.
 
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LVRebel2000 said:
Listening to the podcast with Cofield and Caleb Herring this morning, Caleb is thinking that Brumfield is currently the leader to be the starting QB next week. What do you guys think? He also stated that at the moment, he thinks the TN transfer, Harrison Bailey, may also be behind Friel on the depth chart, based on Caleb's observations at practices.

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Starts off with discussion on OL. Good stuff as usual from these two.
 
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Bailey deserves the spot. In addition to working his ass off....the fact is that You don’t transfer from SEC Tennessee to UNLV to sit the bench. If that’s Arroyo’s call than I’d be worried about future transfer recruiting. There are politics in recruiting and that would not be a good look.
 
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Rebel Hoya said:
Bailey deserves the spot. In addition to working his ass off....the fact is that You don’t transfer from SEC Tennessee to UNLV to sit the bench. If that’s Arroyo’s call than I’d be worried about future transfer recruiting. There are politics in recruiting and that would not be a good look.
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His attitude is not something screams "team works". I understand the competitiveness. I lost sleep when the coaches tell my son that they are switching his position. Felt like we were betrayed but now end up being a better decision than we all thought. Maybe we all should just the coaches' decision for now, even if they are so young. Most of these coaches have been around football for most of their lives. From players to coaches. I think we should all chilled and let the coaches make their decision.

My pick: This team is eventually be Friel's team. Doug Brumfield is talented and galvanised the team. But he is so skinny and fragile. And if Bailey think the competition is bad now, wait until that Hawaiian kid arrives. The QB1 competition will get more intense.
 
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Bailey needs to win the job outright if he is talented enough? That should be no problem for a former SEC level recruit, no?!
 
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If Bailey is as good as we all HOPE he is, then it shouldn’t even be a question, and if this is true, it’s very disappointing. Don’t get me wrong, I like Brumfield quite a bit. And if he learns to go through is progressions better instead of 1 read then run, he’ll be a very good MWC QB. I just think that the ceiling for this team is lower with Brumfield, than it would be for Bailey if Bailey was as good as we had hoped.
 
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For me, I’m good with Brumfield as the starter. Last year with Doug as QB, our team came back on E Washington after 3 quarters of crap, hung with ASU for a half, and was taking care of Fresno before he got hurt. If he is named starter, he has to stay healthy.

Having said that, between Doug leaving the team during the spring, Bailey transferring from the SEC to here, along with hearing that Bailey has been first in-last out of the football complex since he arrived, all signs point to him being the starter.

I would like to be wrong, but I still have a feeling that a starter won’t be named before next Saturday, and that both of them share duties during that first game.
 
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His attitude is not something screams "team works". I understand the competitiveness. I lost sleep when the coaches tell my son that they are switching his position. Felt like we were betrayed but now end up being a better decision than we all thought. Maybe we all should just the coaches' decision for now, even if they are so young. Most of these coaches have been around football for most of their lives. From players to coaches. I think we should all chilled and let the coaches make their decision.

My pick: This team is eventually be Friel's team. Doug Brumfield is talented and galvanised the team. But he is so skinny and fragile. And if Bailey think the competition is bad now, wait until that Hawaiian kid arrives. The QB1 competition will get more intense.
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Bailey is the first one to field (5am to throw with WRs 1 hour before practice) and the last one out. He eat, sleeps, and breaths football. Clearly you aren’t speaking with any knowledge and actually just slandered the kid out of ignorance.

Oh and by Hawaiian kid do you mean top recruit Jayden Maiava? He’s already here and practicing this year.

Friel’s team? Come on man! Friel’s team is the 2-16 bunch that we need to move forward from.
 
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Bailey needs to win the job outright if he is talented enough? That should be no problem for a former SEC level recruit, no?!
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Yep, you don’t hand a kid a job because of where he came from. You give the job to the guy who is the best. The Tennessee kid transferred because he wasn’t good enough there he has to show he is the best here.
 
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Yep, you don’t hand a kid a job because of where he came from. You give the job to the guy who is the best. The Tennessee kid transferred because he wasn’t good enough there he has to show he is the best here.
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Yeah, I agree here. If you start someone, especially at the highest profile position in QB, for a reason other than giving the team the best chance to win, there's a good chance you'll lose the respect of the players. It may or may not have an impact on future transfers, but as a coach, I'd rather err on the side of saying that I started the best player, and not the highest rated player out of high school.

Either way, if recent history shows us anything, both of these QB's (and possibly a 3rd) will get playing time this year due to injuries. I really hope that we have better OL play, resulting in better protection and fewer injuries at the QB position, but throughout the course of the season, it's likely both of these guys will get the chance to prove themselves. Who will prove themselves on the field?
 
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I hear what you are saying about having a bad look about a transfer.

But a bad look is giving a spot to someone who may not deserve it. Thewy did the same with Tate Martell last sesason.

Truth is Brumfield is a gamer. He is a true dual threat that has the biggest arm on the field. Expanding the threat of the long ball.

He has had injury problems. It doesn't mean he will get hurt this season, but it does make him more likely.

It sounds like Bailey has performed well too. But you have said yourself that Arroyo needs to win, and a healthy Brumfield could very well gives us our best chance to win.

If Brumfield gets hurt, and Bailey takes over and is successful, then he doesn't necessarily have to get his job back.

Hopefully game one is not in question and we see a good amount of both.
 
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Bailey is the first one to field (5am to throw with WRs 1 hour before practice) and the last one out. He eat, sleeps, and breaths football. Clearly you aren’t speaking with any knowledge and actually just slandered the kid out of ignorance.

Oh and by Hawaiian kid do you mean top recruit Jayden Maiava? He’s already here and practicing this year.

Friel’s team? Come on man! Friel’s team is the 2-16 bunch that we need to move forward from.
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Did not know that. Thought he had one more year.
 
Hoya thank you for the Bailey info. I only get to know the stuff I read about football, so I like it when someone who is there tells us things.
I thought I read that Bailey's big issue at this time was learning the system. Is that the case? Is there a time table for him to be ready?

Whoever starts, I will root for.
 
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Bailey deserves the spot. In addition to working his ass off....the fact is that You don’t transfer from SEC Tennessee to UNLV to sit the bench.
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Significantly hard disagree.

You don't transfer from Tennessee if things are peachy. I don't trust Arroyo's personnel decisions since he has been bad to this point, but going from Tennessee to UNLV doesn't mean you're better or that you deserve the nod.

I dont disagree that he could be better. But he can't be given the spot because he is from SEC IMO
 
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Arroyo should pick the one he thinks we can win the most with... Doesn't matter if you transferred from bama. Bailey would seem to have the most pure talent just based on his recruit ranking and pedigree.. but sometimes those things are wrong.

In all likelihood we will probably see more than just one guy because injuries happen.. like last year
 
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In all likelihood we will probably see more than just one guy because injuries happen.. like last year
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I'm with you here. The weird part is how different the QBs all have been (and in Baileys case, how he appears to be by reports). The style difference between Brumfield and Bailey specifically makes it strange to think of if one gets injured and the other is "up", how much difference in the offense is there?

Friel I see a little more easily working either way...
 
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Yep, you don’t hand a kid a job because of where he came from. You give the job to the guy who is the best. The Tennessee kid transferred because he wasn’t good enough there he has to show he is the best here.
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I didn’t say to hand anyone the job. Bailey is the better player from high school on forward and gives us the best chance to win. The point is everyone gets senitimental because Brumfield had a decent game or two and Friel beat a couple awful teams. It’s time to move forward with higher talent.
 
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Rebel Hoya said:
I didn’t say to hand anyone the job. Bailey is the better player from high school on forward and gives us the best chance to win. The point is everyone gets senitimental because Brumfield had a decent game or two and Friel beat a couple awful teams. It’s time to move forward with higher talent.
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We agree, if he gives the team the best chance to win then he should be QB1. I couldnt care less about any of the other QBS and what they did last year at UNLV, to your point they all have lost a lot of games.

As for the Tennessee kid having the best talent? again if he does he will be QB1, but there are so many examples of kids coming in from HS that as Freshman were better than everyone in their class but over the course of their college careers got leapfrogged by those same guys. It can be a lot of things, injury, peaked early, lost the drive or just the other guys got better as they matured.
 
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Any word on if/when Arroyo is going to name a starting QB for the game this week? We're only 5 days out, so it seems like you'd want to prepare with a specific guy to be the #1, especially with the contrasts in style between Brum & Bailey.

Edit: On the other hand, they are quite different, so I suppose the longer he waits, the less prep time it gives for our opponent to gameplan.
 
Maybe UNLV has already picked the starting QB, but by not letting the public know who will start, that forces Idaho State to practice for multiple QB's instead of a single QB.
 
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My guess that potentially all 3 will play, at least the top 2.

I think Brumfield starts then Bailey gets his shot. Maybe series, maybe quarters.
 
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I'm 'sure' that's why we haven't heard anything. Yeah, we wouldn't want to tip off an FCS bottom feeder. It could be the difference in the outcome.
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haha, yeah, hopefully that's not the case. Just wondering out loud, since it's getting close to game day and they haven't made any announcement yet.
 
Interesting 1st depth chart. Didn’t notice the fla st transfer , eubanks, on at all. Wonder if he’s hurt or just buried on the depth chart. Quite a few transfers otherwise
 
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Rebel Hoya said:
I didn’t say to hand anyone the job. Bailey is the better player from high school on forward and gives us the best chance to win. The point is everyone gets senitimental because Brumfield had a decent game or two and Friel beat a couple awful teams. It’s time to move forward with higher talent.
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Brumfield may have more upside than Bailey. Bailey probably the highest floor.

Agree with you though.

People are waxing poetic about Brumfield based on roughly 2 games.

If we used that as a parameter, Kurt Palandech should have been the starter after what he did in the Wyoming game vs Josh Allen.

This isn't the worst position to be in though.

Years past if our starter went down the drop in talent was obvious.

Now, with Friel, Bailey and Brumfield, Rebs have what appear to be three capable starting QBS.

I have no dog in the fight. Don't care who wins the job.

Just want results...
 
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(Cliches coming in 3-2-1)

Brumfield may have more upside than Bailey. Bailey probably the highest floor.

Agree with you though.

People are waxing poetic about Brumfield based on roughly 2 games.

If we used that as a parameter, Kurt Palandech should have been the starter after what he did in the Wyoming game vs Josh Allen.

This isn't the worst position to be in though.

Years past if our starter went down the drop in talent was obvious.

Now, with Friel, Bailey and Brumfield, Rebs have what appear to be three capable starting QBS.

I have no dog in the fight. Don't care who wins the job.

Just want results...
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Would you guys say that the schemes and/or protections are any different, depending on which of the 3 QB's are in the game? It seems as though Bailey is a less mobile QB, so probably fewer QB draw plays, and maybe need a bit more help in picking up blockers to keep him safe in the pocket. I'm just spit-balling here though, so feel free to call me an idiot.

Maybe they plan to run everything exactly the same, regardless of who is in the game and it won't matter if they name the starter last second.
 
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WTF? A 2 QB system again to start the season! SMDFH
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I wouldn't say that that it's a 2 QB system. If it said "AND" then maybe that could be the case.

I would say that CMA doesn't want to single in on one QB on the depth chart. This seems to be his style at this point, so I wasn't expecting anything differently.
 
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Would you guys say that the schemes and/or protections are any different, depending on which of the 3 QB's are in the game? It seems as though Bailey is a less mobile QB, so probably fewer QB draw plays, and maybe need a bit more help in picking up blockers to keep him safe in the pocket. I'm just spit-balling here though, so feel free to call me an idiot.

Maybe they plan to run everything exactly the same, regardless of who is in the game and it won't matter if they name the starter last second.
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Small changes. With Doug they can sprinkle in some zone read stuff. With Bailey more RPO instead. Friel is kinda in between.

I don't think they would want to call as many designed runs for Doug based on injury history. But its gotta be in there some..
 
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