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POLL: Josh Pastner grade.

What grade do you give this hire?

  • A

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • B

    Votes: 40 47.6%
  • C

    Votes: 27 32.1%
  • D

    Votes: 12 14.3%
  • F

    Votes: 4 4.8%

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This was about as anticlimactic of a hire as i could fear. IMO. All could change with the right staff and if NIL money is strong. That said i think we could be on the same level as Boise St every year. One and done every other year. That is my most optimistic look as of right now.
 
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B

- High energy at 47 years old
- has experience running high pressure programs and in competitive conferences.
- can get wins in conference tournaments/postseason play.
- “tireless” recruiter
- brings energy to the sidelines.
- media savvy, can sell the program.
- assistant to Lute, Kevin O’Neill, Cal (translation: he’s connected in coaching circles)

On the other hand, doesn’t have crazy high success stories. Bombed out at two other programs but even so, they can be learning experiences and he can avoid the same problems here at UNLV.

I’m cautiously optimistic and looking forward to his presser where he tells us where we’re going.
 
This was about as anticlimactic of a hire as i could fear. IMO. All could change with the right staff and if NIL money is strong. That said i think we could be on the same level as Boise St every year. One and done every other year. That is my most optimistic look as of right now.
We'll be in a conference that most likely gets only one bid. So, it's win the Tourney each year or your out.
 
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I could see it as a two bid league. UNM, i think Alford will get UNR back there, Grand Canyon, and if Pastner can get UNLV playing (not expecting this at this moment). Allot of if's but i can see the MWC a 2 bid league maybe 3 teams once every blue moon.
We won't get many Tier 1 wins in conference - AT ALL. A coach will need to schedule 8-10 OOC heavy hitters and win 3 or 4 to have a chance at an at large. And no coach will do that because it jeopardizes his 20 in season. Think MVC. They've had two teams to the dance 3 times in 15 years. That's what we can expect.
 
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I give it a B. I don’t expect us to ever be great with Pastner but it’ll be much better than what we’ve seen here the last 10 years. We’ll get some high level recruits again. We’ll get some more fan interest. Win a ton of meaningless games but unfortunately not the big games when it matters.

Dave Rice 2.0…which doesn’t sound super great but hey it’s 10x better than where we are now and it is an upgrade from Kevin.
 
I don’t know much about Pastner. What I know is that it’s been 25 years since we won a conference title.

We haven’t gotten past Thursday in the tournament in years.

We’ve never had a MW conference player of the year.

We haven’t been to the big dance in a dozen years.

We’re so far down, I’m not sure it gets much worse.

CKK was getting us nowhere.
 
Pastner's recruits at GT would clobber any team in the MWC. He coached vs the best teams in the country. Two to three top 10 programs every year in that league. I'd say let's see how the recruiting goes this year and next. The coaching and strategy will almost certainly be at a higher level. I will buy that season ticket again. Watching his team improve will be interesting compared to slow and go slower KK.
 
I could see it as a two bid league. UNM, i think Alford will get UNR back there, Grand Canyon, and if Pastner can get UNLV playing (not expecting this at this moment). Allot of if's but i can see the MWC a 2 bid league maybe 3 teams once every blue moon.
I can definitely see two bids more often than not.
 
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Everyone needs to remember that yes football has turned the corner as a program, see the last 2 years. Basketball has not!

Men’s basketball is where football was 2 years ago as far perception and has to start doing it on the court. I hope Josh gets things going now.

If he does perception will start to change but right now many still view men’s basketball like many use to view our football head coaching job, a coaching graveyard.

I bet that’s why the guys we speculate on every 4 years as potential head coaches don’t quite make it here.

Josh needs to turn around the perception of men’s basketball like football here at UNLV, as soon as possible.

I hope he is successful doing this!
 
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Everyone needs to remember that yes football has turned the corner as a program, see the last 2 years.
Basketball has not! Men’s basketball is where football was 2 years ago as far perception and has to start doing it in the court. I hope Josh gets it going now. If he does perception will start to change but right now many still view this job how many use to view the football head coaching job, a coaching graveyard. I bet that’s why the guys we speculate on every 4 years don’t quite make it here. Someone needs to turn around the perception of men’s basketball at UNLV, like now.

I hope that is Josh Pastner!
That is what we always do after we fire the last coach is hope.
 
That is what we always do after we fire the last coach is hope.
What else is there right now?
Complaining about who we did not get is not going to change the outcome!

Is it who I wanted no but I’m glad we have a change from Kevin, with Pastner, what happens next is unknown. With Kevin we knew it wasn’t getting better.

I’m looking at now because what other choice is there?
 
Pretty much!
Exactly. It's not a grand slam hire, but hopefully it will get the program off life support. The games at the T&M have been like a funeral home. The team was tough to watch based on the fact that there was no real offensive or defensive plan, or aggression. The team had no identity and didn't appear like they played hard most of the time. Simply put, it was boring basketball, and looking at the recruiting, it didn't appear that there was much chance of that changing anytime soon.

Me...I'm looking forward to see what Pastner can do. He may not dominate, but hopefully he can infuse some new life into the program, and maybe even expand the NIL / booster support.
 
For all of those that don't like this hire, if you are able to put aside any money / buyouts / etc, answer this question:

Would you rather have CKK or Pastner responsible for recruiting this offseason, and coaching the team next year?

It's an easy answer for me.
lets see what Patner brings in as a staff and players and then ask that question. Am I glad Kevin is gone, yes he needed to go. Is PAstner an upgrade? Time will tell
 
Well we are stuck with him for the next 3-4 plus years. If it turns out anything EVEN close to CKK tenure ot worse It will be the final death blow to me.
 
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Exactly. It's not a grand slam hire, but hopefully it will get the program off life support. The games at the T&M have been like a funeral home. The team was tough to watch based on the fact that there was no real offensive or defensive plan, or aggression. The team had no identity and didn't appear like they played hard most of the time. Simply put, it was boring basketball, and looking at the recruiting, it didn't appear that there was much chance of that changing anytime soon.

Me...I'm looking forward to see what Pastner can do. He may not dominate, but hopefully he can infuse some new life into the program, and maybe even expand the NIL / booster support.
I think it is low floor, low ceiling. So it will be better than Menzies and Kevin, but probably Rice is the peak. Which at this point would be a vast improvement. If we are able to get to the tourney and lose in the first round a few years maybe more fans will come and the next time our budget to hire will be better.

The collapse of the program falls directly on the shoulders of the school with crap hire after crap hire. As the expression goes you have to spend money to make money. If they had spent another $1MM for a coach and had another 5K in attendance vs today you easily make up that $1MM, but shortsightedness put us where we are today. So get back to where we were as a program with Rice and maybe then you can get someone better whenever the time comes.
 
I think it is low floor, low ceiling. So it will be better than Menzies and Kevin, but probably Rice is the peak. Which at this point would be a vast improvement. If we are able to get to the tourney and lose in the first round a few years maybe more fans will come and the next time our budget to hire will be better.

The collapse of the program falls directly on the shoulders of the school with crap hire after crap hire. As the expression goes you have to spend money to make money. If they had spent another $1MM for a coach and had another 5K in attendance vs today you easily make up that $1MM, but shortsightedness put us where we are today. So get back to where we were as a program with Rice and maybe then you can get someone better whenever the time comes.
I'm with you on the attendance stuff. I have no idea what they were using for a budget number on a possible coach, but obviously, the more people you get in seats during games, the more money you bring in.

For better or worse though, UNLV sunk a bunch of money into the football coaching hire this year. I believe that's the best thing for the future of UNLV sports as a whole, as football is the primary sport that leads to moving up into power conferences.

If we were going to go all in on one or the other, it should be football. Hopefully Pastner can bring things back to how they were under Rice with great recruits, exciting basketball, and 10-15k fans at the T&M.
 
I'm with you on the attendance stuff. I have no idea what they were using for a budget number on a possible coach, but obviously, the more people you get in seats during games, the more money you bring in.

For better or worse though, UNLV sunk a bunch of money into the football coaching hire this year. I believe that's the best thing for the future of UNLV sports as a whole, as football is the primary sport that leads to moving up into power conferences.

If we were going to go all in on one or the other, it should be football. Hopefully Pastner can bring things back to how they were under Rice with great recruits, exciting basketball, and 10-15k fans at the T&M.
Definitely football over basketball did they announce Pastner's salary?
 
What else is there right now?
Complaining about who we did not get is not going to change the outcome!

Is it who I wanted no but I’m glad we have a change from Kevin, with Pastner, what happens next is unknown. With Kevin we knew it wasn’t getting better.

I’m looking at now because what other choice is there?
There is nothing else to do. That's why I said it.

I haven't complained. I'm going to be in a wait and see mode. I have no strong opinion one way or the other on this hire. That is why I can only hope he turns out to be good for us.
 
We'll know soon what to expect from him. We'll know by his recruiting. In the first month we will know his recruiting and from that we'll have more understanding about our NIL situation. 1) Who does he want from the current team? Can he keep who he wants? 2) What players does he get from the portal?
 
Exactly. It's not a grand slam hire, but hopefully it will get the program off life support. The games at the T&M have been like a funeral home. The team was tough to watch based on the fact that there was no real offensive or defensive plan, or aggression. The team had no identity and didn't appear like they played hard most of the time. Simply put, it was boring basketball, and looking at the recruiting, it didn't appear that there was much chance of that changing anytime soon.

Me...I'm looking forward to see what Pastner can do. He may not dominate, but hopefully he can infuse some new life into the program, and maybe even expand the NIL / booster support.
Not to be a debbie downer, but a lot of how Pastner is described you can say about Kevin.

Props to @Rosegreen1 for posting this earlier

Playing Style
Pastner’s teams are known for a high-energy, defense-first philosophy paired with an up-tempo, creative offense. At Georgia Tech, he established the Yellow Jackets as one of the ACC’s top defensive squads, consistently ranking among the nation’s best in defensive efficiency. His teams focus on:

- Stifling Defense: Pastner emphasizes aggressive, disruptive defense, often employing pressure tactics like full-court presses and active rotations to force turnovers. At Georgia Tech, his squads ranked in the top half of the ACC defensively year after year, with standout performances like holding opponents to low shooting percentages and contesting shots effectively. You could say the same with Kevin, especially in year 2 his match up zone was able to create a lot of turnovers, and many of those concepts carried forward. This past year we ranked pretty high in the conference with defensive numbers. What these stats do no account for is the offensive rebounds that it creates and the wayy too many wide open shots. Shots in the key were arguably over contested.

- Fast-Paced Offense: Offensively, Pastner favors a transition-heavy game that capitalizes on speed and athleticism. His Memphis teams, in particular, thrived on pushing the tempo, averaging high possession counts and scoring outputs—evidenced by his 31-win season in 2012-13. Again pushing tempo with turnovers. Kevin in year 2 had an excellent transition team. At Georgia Tech, he adapted to his roster, developing a more balanced attack over time, with an emphasis on guard play ( I can't help to think of hero ball with guard ball dominate play without sharing the ball enough that we all know too too well) and creative sets (This is the one place that gives me hope, this is one thing that we did NOT see, unless you count the weave, lol)that improved the team’s offensive ranking in the ACC from the bottom tier to the top half by his later years.



Again he is more experienced, he coached in a tough conference, though the ACC has lost a lot of steam over the past 5-8 years. I just hope he continues to try to improve with what failed him.

I do worry about one of his best attributes, recruiting, being limited these days. You can be the most charismatic guy in the world, but nothings talks more than money. And sure paying players have been around for decades, but not everyone did it. Now everyone is. I wonder how well he can recruit at a place like UNLV without the cash Power teams can throw at players. That is part of why I was liking the idea of Hodgson, he seemed to be able to do exactly that.

I am disappointed with this hire, but I do think this is an upgrade, and there are reasons to give hope. I just think his ceiling is pretty low. At least it feels that way right now.
 
I'm with you on the attendance stuff. I have no idea what they were using for a budget number on a possible coach, but obviously, the more people you get in seats during games, the more money you bring in.

For better or worse though, UNLV sunk a bunch of money into the football coaching hire this year. I believe that's the best thing for the future of UNLV sports as a whole, as football is the primary sport that leads to moving up into power conferences.

If we were going to go all in on one or the other, it should be football. Hopefully Pastner can bring things back to how they were under Rice with great recruits, exciting basketball, and 10-15k fans at the T&M.
Also I hope Pastner can coach better than Rice did and if so, he might move the needle here. Pastner strengths are recruiting, player development and clear idea on scheme, he is weak in the “x’s and o’s” but he can hire someone for that! I hope he has learned to hire a good staff so he can comfortably delegate to them so he doesn’t try to do everything, that hasn’t worked for him!
 
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Also I hope Pastner can coach better than Rice did and if so, he might move the needle here. Pastner strengths are recruiting, player development and clear idea on scheme, he is weak in the “x’s and o’s” but he can hire someone for that! I hope he has learned to hire a good staff so he can comfortably delegate to them so he doesn’t try to do everything, that hasn’t worked for him!
That's my hope too.
 
Definitely football over basketball did they announce Pastner's salary?
All S16 teams in the dance are P schools. There is a reason for that. And it's bc the FB revenues have a much bigger drip down to the BB programs to be able to afford coaches and players. Build up FB revenues and we have a bigger budget for BB. It kind of sucks, but it is what it is.
 
All S16 teams in the dance are P schools. There is a reason for that. And it's bc the FB revenues have a much bigger drip down to the BB programs to be able to afford coaches and players. Build up FB revenues and we have a bigger budget for BB. It kind of sucks, but it is what it is.

Football should have been made a priority decades ago.
 
Final death blow to you?

This program has been a disaster for decades. UNLV BB has won NCAA tourney games in only 2 seasons since '90-91.
The way the Rice firing went and the hiring of Menzies should’ve been a death blow.

It was for many, hence the low morale and attendance numbers are in the toilet. Pastner is a fiery guy, total opposite of CKK. Watch his presser tomorrow, I have a feeling he will reinvigorate some people. Not everyone will be on board but over time people will buy in.

I’m excited to hear what his vision is and having a voice that is passionate about CBB will be a welcome change. I was getting real pissed off at the monotone and ho hum attitude of the previous regime. Get blown out by AFA? “Well we need to work harder and get the next one.”

Nah F that, you need to do what TJO did, bench guys and make it known that kind of shit is unacceptable. You as the coach set the standard for effort, not be everyone’s friend.

Pastner is going to be a very different character than what we’ve had over the years. Every coach since Bayno has had ZERO charisma.
 
The way the Rice firing went and the hiring of Menzies should’ve been a death blow.

It was for many, hence the low morale and attendance numbers are in the toilet. Pastner is a fiery guy, total opposite of CKK. Watch his presser tomorrow, I have a feeling he will reinvigorate some people. Not everyone will be on board but over time people will buy in.

I’m excited to hear what his vision is and having a voice that is passionate about CBB will be a welcome change. I was getting real pissed off at the monotone and ho hum attitude of the previous regime. Get blown out by AFA? “Well we need to work harder and get the next one.”

Nah F that, you need to do what TJO did, bench guys and make it known that kind of shit is unacceptable. You as the coach set the standard for effort, not be everyone’s friend.

Pastner is going to be a very different character than what we’ve had over the years. Every coach since Bayno has had ZERO charisma.
Oh come on Dave and Kevin those guys were firey and spicy! Kinda like milk.
 
There can be a false equivalence with fiery. Sure, it looks good, sounds good, gets you pumped.

I was pumped when Sanford chased down an AD and tripped over the two yard line. Did you hear Sanchez and his GATA? Arroyo got fired up too. Bayno was ultra fiery and everyone wanted him fired.

Lon was vanilla as F and had success here.

I just don’t buy fiery for results. For effect, yes.
 
There can be a false equivalence with fiery. Sure, it looks good, sounds good, gets you pumped.

I was pumped when Sanford chased down an AD and tripped over the two yard line. Did you hear Sanchez and his GATA? Arroyo got fired up too. Bayno was ultra fiery and everyone wanted him fired.

Lon was vanilla as F and had success here.

I just don’t buy fiery for results. For effect, yes.
I mean the program is dead though, practices and games are like funerals. We were on our way to being bottom feeders in this shitty conference.

You need someone with some energy and cockyness to get this program out of its coma. It’s hard to focus whenever CKK spoke, had zero authority and it showed on the court.

We need a coach that’s not going to hide behind the brand and instead run in front of it.
 
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