NEXT PAC MEMBERS

[Bullmastiff 1]

This is pretty much based on what's being rumored on the twitterverse but this is how I thinknit unfolds.

Texas State seems the most likely full member. This gets the PAC to the required 8.

I think the PAC will add St Mary's all sports (Fill out there Olympic sports and strengthen their basketball further)

This is a guess but goes under the old where there's smoke there's fire and all that..

PAC invites New Mexico State as a football only member.

Hear me out..

1- NMSU comes super cheap. Their exit fee from CUSA is small.
2-PAC would probably like to get to a minimum of 9 FB schools for scheduling purposes. 5 OOC games is a logistics nightmare.
3- NMSU could likely be given 1 to 1.5 maybe 2 million a year as a FB only member in media deal. It would basically double their current CUSA media deal. They could then simply bury their other sports in the WAC or WCC or whatever.

 

[SilverSpoon]

This is pretty much based on what's being rumored on the twitterverse but this is how I thinknit unfolds.

Texas State seems the most likely full member. This gets the PAC to the required 8.

I think the PAC will add St Mary's all sports (Fill out there Olympic sports and strengthen their basketball further)

This is a guess but goes under the old where there's smoke there's fire and all that..

PAC invites New Mexico State as a football only member.

Hear me out..

1- NMSU comes super cheap. Their exit fee from CUSA is small.
2-PAC would probably like to get to a minimum of 9 FB schools for scheduling purposes. 5 OOC games is a logistics nightmare.
3- NMSU could likely be given 1 to 1.5 maybe 2 million a year as a FB only member in media deal. It would basically double their current CUSA media deal. They could then simply bury their other sports in the WAC or WCC or whatever.

I think you're spot on. Especially with the NMSU(football only) + WCC. Sainy Mary's won't have a choice but to join. Even if they get 1/2 of what Gonzaga is getting.

This turns the PAC into a conference of have and have-nots. And by a large margin. There's going to be a ton of animosity amongst their ranks.

 

[Pistol Pete 1]

Absolutely hilarious that WSU & OSU found it to be a good idea & preferable to give up millions of dollars so they could travel to San Marcos & Las Cruces instead of Laramie & Albuquerque. Could have taken the money and slid over to the Mountain WesT. With all that cash they would have been the top dogs.

 

[LocoRebel]

This is pretty much based on what's being rumored on the twitterverse but this is how I thinknit unfolds.

Texas State seems the most likely full member. This gets the PAC to the required 8.

I think the PAC will add St Mary's all sports (Fill out there Olympic sports and strengthen their basketball further)

This is a guess but goes under the old where there's smoke there's fire and all that..

PAC invites New Mexico State as a football only member.

Hear me out..

1- NMSU comes super cheap. Their exit fee from CUSA is small.
2-PAC would probably like to get to a minimum of 9 FB schools for scheduling purposes. 5 OOC games is a logistics nightmare.
3- NMSU could likely be given 1 to 1.5 maybe 2 million a year as a FB only member in media deal. It would basically double their current CUSA media deal. They could then simply bury their other sports in the WAC or WCC or whatever.

I have seen a lot of speculation that WAC will likely cease to exist before long. Apparently expecting a raid that will result in the leftovers returning to combinations of the Big South, Southland, big sky, etc... who knows if that's true. But if it is, nmsu finding a home for its non revenue sports and it's disaster of a basketball program isn't as obvious as it once was.

But it would be easy for PAC to get them at next to nothing for football, as you mentioned. I'm guessing it would be a nearly a last resort for pac, and nmsu would likely chomp at the bit

 

[dcut03]

This is pretty much based on what's being rumored on the twitterverse but this is how I thinknit unfolds.

Texas State seems the most likely full member. This gets the PAC to the required 8.

I think the PAC will add St Mary's all sports (Fill out there Olympic sports and strengthen their basketball further)

This is a guess but goes under the old where there's smoke there's fire and all that..

PAC invites New Mexico State as a football only member.

Hear me out..

1- NMSU comes super cheap. Their exit fee from CUSA is small.
2-PAC would probably like to get to a minimum of 9 FB schools for scheduling purposes. 5 OOC games is a logistics nightmare.
3- NMSU could likely be given 1 to 1.5 maybe 2 million a year as a FB only member in media deal. It would basically double their current CUSA media deal. They could then simply bury their other sports in the WAC or WCC or whatever.

I say no on NMSU.

Scheduling an extra OOC game is probably worth it vs giving them any share of the PAC deal. They would likely have to give them an equal CFP share too, being a football member. Though I would imagine the PAC will not be able to schedule with a MW all that easily, and vice versa, so that does make things a bit more difficult.

NMSU does nothing for them other than being a "warm body" of sorts. Very little potential in the future. Might as well go for Sam Houston over NMSU, they have been more relevant in football and has much more potential.

 

[Masked_rebel]

Pac has no interest in NMSU. Theres a reason why the MWC also didnt kick those tires. Its not a university that is committed to spending money and building their brands. They dont have it. They dont have the NIL opportunities to be competitive. The PAC is trying to build itself as a psuedo P5 conference brand and adding NMSU drags it down. The whole point of leaving the MWC was to avoid programs that are bloating the conference and not investing in their programs. So no

 

[Rebelious1]

I'm pretty sure the PAC, WSU and OSU specifically, have pi$$ed away about $100 million, or more, by overvaluing its product and refusing the merger. Think about the inherited PAC money just spent recklessly.

Bottom line is PAC is not a Power Conference, MWC is not a Power Conference. UNLV is about $25 million better off.

 

[RebelinWA]

I say no on NMSU.

Scheduling an extra OOC game is probably worth it vs giving them any share of the PAC deal. They would likely have to give them an equal CFP share too, being a football member. Though I would imagine the PAC will not be able to schedule with a MW all that easily, and vice versa, so that does make things a bit more difficult.

NMSU does nothing for them other than being a "warm body" of sorts. Very little potential in the future. Might as well go for Sam Houston over NMSU, they have been more relevant in football and has much more potential.

I get where you are coming from here. Adding NMSU will lower their strength of schedule on top of diluting their overall media value. But at the same time, its already difficult to schedule OOC. It would be a step up from having to add an extra FCS game.

Admittedly this will be difficult now; but they might be able to pencil in some kind of agreement with the MW to trade a set number of games per season. It might be easier once tensions come down a bit in a couple of years.

 

[Masked_rebel]

I get where you are coming from here. Adding NMSU will lower their strength of schedule on top of diluting their overall media value. But at the same time, its already difficult to schedule OOC. It would be a step up from having to add an extra FCS game.

Admittedly this will be difficult now; but they might be able to pencil in some kind of agreement with the MW to trade a set number of games per season. It might be easier once tensions come down a bit in a couple of years.

I'm guessing there isnt a chance in Hell that this happens. Both will want compensation that neither will be willing to pay each other. Blood will continue to be bad, especially if the PAC continues to trash the MWC programs in the same way they have been doing. Add in the financial payouts from lawsuits and scheduling... Especially Boise, itd be great to take a shot at each G5s top school, but theyre going to be scheduling a P4, and a bunch of soft G5s and live off SOS from a conference they hope supports it.

 

[dcut03]

I get where you are coming from here. Adding NMSU will lower their strength of schedule on top of diluting their overall media value. But at the same time, its already difficult to schedule OOC. It would be a step up from having to add an extra FCS game.

Admittedly this will be difficult now; but they might be able to pencil in some kind of agreement with the MW to trade a set number of games per season. It might be easier once tensions come down a bit in a couple of years.

They should target UTSA and UNT. I think there is a window there, it would be more expensive, but worth it. The problem there is the 27 month rule that the AAC has, they may be worth a phase 2 addition to save money down the road. Add Rice to that list too as better options than NMSU.

You can't have more than one FCS team on their schedule without it starting to count against you, so that isn't an option.

I am guessing the Pac 2 has an unspoken agreement to not schedule with former PAC 12 members, but they are running out of options. I am sure some of those schools would not mind given their travel schedule in conference can get hairy,

Then there are the traditional rivalries. Does Wyoming stop playing CSU? OSU and WAZZU are still playing their old PAC rivals.

But NMSU is a bad, bad choice. They are easy for a reason. Sam Houston is a better option, but it may be worth waiting on a texas AAC school for a few years for expansion sake.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Pac has no interest in NMSU. Theres a reason why the MWC also didnt kick those tires. Its not a university that is committed to spending money and building their brands. They dont have it. They dont have the NIL opportunities to be competitive. The PAC is trying to build itself as a psuedo P5 conference brand and adding NMSU drags it down. The whole point of leaving the MWC was to avoid programs that are bloating the conference and not investing in their programs. So no

Trust me I get NMSU is a horrible option.

But adding them football only, at almost nothing price tag fixes a ton of scheduling headaches. 5 OOC games is a logistics nightmare.

 

[dcut03]

But adding them football only, at almost nothing price tag fixes a ton of scheduling headaches. 5 OOC games is a logistics nightmare.

They will tank SOS, they will command a share of the CFP payouts (costing each school another 300k) and they do nothing positive and have a very low ceiling. Not worth it. Especially if they are also adding Texas State.
Agree to add a Texas AAC school or 2 now, play 2 conference years with a lean 8 schools, then get much better options down the road at a reasonable price. Finding an extra OOC game for a couple of years is worth the headache, than adding a bottom feeder that is a detriment to conference is practically every way.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

They will tank SOS, they will command a share of the CFP payouts (costing each school another 300k) and they do nothing positive and have a very low ceiling. Not worth it. Especially if they are also adding Texas State.
Agree to add a Texas AAC school or 2 now, play 2 conference years with a lean 8 schools, then get much better options down the road at a reasonable price. Finding an extra OOC game for a couple of years is worth the headache, than adding a bottom feeder that is a detriment to conference is practically every way.

Looking at AAC GOR...

Not sure how reasonable a price any of them would be.

Plus if PAC had the money to get them they would have now no?

PAC will pay the exit fees. Poaching fees? We'll see.

If they lose the poaching fees case it's a huge bite out of that 'war chest' limiting their options further.

 

[Masked_rebel]

Looking at AAC GOR...

Not sure how reasonable a price any of them would be.

Plus if PAC had the money to get them they would have now no?

PAC will pay the exit fees. Poaching fees? We'll see.

If they lose the poaching fees case it's a huge bite out of that 'war chest' limiting their options further.

They're not spending the war chest. Its earmarked for OSU and WSU to pay debts. Its why they're fighting so hard against both sets of fees. Its also why they wrote into the contract that they have veto power and control over finances.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

They're not spending the war chest. Its earmarked for OSU and WSU to pay debts. Its why they're fighting so hard against both sets of fees. Its also why they wrote into the contract that they have veto power and control over finances.

WSU 250 Million in debt.

War chest ain't covering poop. 😂

 

[UNLVINMD]

PAC is garbage, better then stench of MWC.