Marion taking UNR’s best RB
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I do not believe the school would count towards the numbers for the PAC, and I also think that while they may or may not do well on recruiting, in regards to value, they would reduce the media contract value per school most likely being the least valuable school in the PAC.
I didn't say their next addition or only addition.
Sacramento is a large market. There's some value in that.
Based on market and school size, Grand Canyon is worth at least 3-5X the value of Sac State. While Grand Canyon doesn't currently have football, they have a boat load of cash and could easily start up a program within the next couple of years. If they add Sac State, I would expect/guess it would lose between $500,000-700,000 in media value per school from whatever the current value is per school.
Who's arguing that? And that's a little optimistic as a non football school.
Technically they are FBS now lol. Somewhat of a loophole.
I am not sure if they were to be added it would count as a member or not. I know they have a bowl ban, but they will be a full fledged FBS school by '27.
I dont think it was a coincidence, but i can see it being a possible future add and maybe current fallback option. Only if they would count as a 8th member
At this point who knows what the rules are.
Also keep an eye out.
I think MWC makes another addition in the next few months. Possibly multiple.
I think NDSU is very much being considered.
Hypothetical for you here.
You're the MWC commish.
Your current media valuation gets you to an average distribution of 4 million per school.
Adding NDSU you're media rights package distributions remain unchanged staying at 4 million.
You can also add South Dakota State, Montana, Montana State but the average distribution would drop to 3.5..
Would you stay put at just NDSU?
Or
Add all four?
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Everyone of those schools individually drops the median value, adding all four will drop it significantly.
They may have UNLV and everyone else by the balls, so they could add all of them and we may not be able to do anything about it.
Previously they did say that the target for this next contract would be us making the same as before, but they also said that it may include the bonus money from the PAC. So technically the base media value could be less than the 3.6 we are getting currently.
Money isn't the only important thing with conference building. But the PAC certainly seem to be trying to maximize payouts, while the MW does not seem to care about that much. With the cost of business and investment being more important than ever, it feels like the MW's approach isn't the best approach. But we will see.
Individually I don't believe NDSU would. NDSU despite small market size probably every bit as valuable as Wyoiming or shockingly enough SJSU. (SJSU's viewership is horrible. When coupled with the size of the Bay area and what's considered their 'market' it's pathetic).
As a collective I agree it likely becomes diminishing returns.
I don't think the MWC approach is bad. I think it's all they can lure at this point.
I'm still not sure how the NIU thing went down or what prompted that move.
If we wanted to create a better and more competitive FB (and probably BB) conference, the MW should have added both Dakota's and both Montana's and called it a day. It's not like we're going to add any program that's going to move the needle on TV #s.
Agreed. I don't think they would hurt any media deal all that much. Small market size obviously, but you would absolutely own those markets. Which is just as valuable as a large market with very few people watching. (SJSU)
NDSU is good. Like really good. Gave CU all they could handle on the road.
They could hang with anybody in the MWC and PAC.
Montana State beat beat New Mexico at UNM this past season.
The gap between the remnants of the MWC and those four schools is pretty minute. If there is one at all.
No other FCS making the jump has been worth >750k.
Sam Houston was almost as good as NDSU, in Texas no less, they struggled to make the transition, though have been good the last couple of years. But still a Sun Belt add.
We just have not seen a FCS school make the jump to a conference other than the bottom of the FBS before. It's hard to believe any school would be able to out perform that. Or at least assume that they would.
Even if your Comp in Wyoming. is probably below the mean in the MW. And they have a more established program in terms of FBS and is really the only school in the state. Also is close proximity to more populace states that probably feed their alumni base. But if they are worth what Wyoming is worth, then that will likely reduce the mean value.
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Again comparing them to our worst teams in media value isn't a good thing. At least not monetarily.
From a competitive standpoint? Maybe. We did lose most of our best teams.
But expecting any team from FCS to come in and compete in any FBS league is a tough thing to expect. It is has only happened a handful of times in the past.
Case in point. We beat Vandy last year, that doesn't mean we would hang in the SEC.
The difference between hi-level FCS and low level FBS is superfluous.
Thats not what I did. I compared them to our largest market to make the point small market size can't be discounted.
NDSU can definitely compete with anybody in either conference. They have guys getting drafted pretty regularly.
You taking UNM to go better than .500 against those 4 schools?
How about Hawaii?
Reno?
Wyoming?
The gap between the G5 / MWC and the SEC is larger than the gap between those four schools and the current MWC.
NDSU would have finished above .500 if they were in the MWC and been bowl eligible. Unlike everyone remaining in the MWC not named UNLV and SJSU.
Is there a lot of conjecture here? I don't believe the Montana schools even want to be FBS. In 2010 the WAC approached both schools about the jump. Both administrations passed on the idea primarily due to cost. More recently there has been a load of posting about the possibility of a jump. Some want it. But surprisingly, to me at least, there is quite a bit of fan resistance. The fear is they would seldom be in contention for the G5 spot in the football Natty while they are both in the running for the FCS Natty every year. They seem to be content with their place in the order of things.
True of Montana schools.
NDSU though? They have nothing left to prove at FCS level. They've expressed interest in moving up.
It was reported back in January that the Mountain west and NDSU had entered communication. Don’t know if there was ever an official offer, but the interest sounded mutual.
