Jalen Hill injured
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Let him get completely healthy. None of the OOC matters anyway. This team is now on a collision course with the MWC Tourney. That's the only way they get to the post season.
How about a true post player instead of these stretch guys.. like seriously just run Jones for 25 minutes a game and get him used to playing. Move Boone to be the stretch 3/4 that Hill played... Hill was good with the ball so that's not getting replaced but I don't think trying to plug in a inconsistent guard for his minutes is helpful
Well, at least we now have a built in excuse. It was the injuries. We would have been S16 if not for the injuries.
If it’s not the injuries, the officiating has been bad this year too. 100% against the Rebels.
It’s always something other than the obvious truth.
Some can’t handle truths. Ain’t that the truth?
I hurt my wrists doing human wheel barrows with my hot gym instructor named Ingrid at the LVAC It was a dangerous exercise and I was In shape.
A month out at least.
You wanna see what she looks like? 10 percent all woman from South Africa.
A month out at least.
You wanna see what she looks like? 10 percent all woman from South Africa.
Any woman named Ingrid makes me think of boots and whips.
Man our Program needs better training
we got a bunch of soft dudes that break easily.
Pay attention to the University Of Houston
Last 5 years best in CBB
Part of the system is the TRAINING
Their trainer (Alan Bishop) takes kids and turn them into Men
NBA ready and strong - and tough as Nails
I hope our next coach is tough and puts a guy on staff to help bulletproof these fragile children.
we got a bunch of soft dudes that break easily.
Pay attention to the University Of Houston
Last 5 years best in CBB
Part of the system is the TRAINING
Their trainer (Alan Bishop) takes kids and turn them into Men
NBA ready and strong - and tough as Nails
I hope our next coach is tough and puts a guy on staff to help bulletproof these fragile children.
I've been saying this for years about the basketball program's trainers. Either our teams are extremely soft after contact, or the training staff is bad. Or both. Every injury seems to linger for weeks and months.
Maybe they need my niece as a trainer. She has her Doctorate in physical therapy out of Duke. Do any of the trainers for UNLV even have degrees?
I don’t treat patients associated with UNLV anymore. I did that last when I worked in an outpatient setting about 17-18 years ago.
That being said, I assume that the paid training staff for UNLV would all be Athletic Training Certified, or something equivalent to that. Student trainers work under the paid staff but usually do so on a voluntary basis so as to gain experience in the field.
Also, as far as thinking a DPT (doctorate of PT) is a better clinician than one with a Masters or even a Bachelor’s degree, I’ve always said that those with the Bachelor’s are the best since they’ve been in it the longest followed by those with Masters (the first degrees allowed were Bachelor’s degrees, then colleges decided to make you stay in school longer, and pay more, by requiring a Master’s. Several years after I finished school, and currently today, DPT is the most prevalent course of study since it keeps students in school even longer than I stayed).
That being said, congratulations to her for completing the required education and passing the exam to become a PT. Obviously, I can empathize with her about how devoted she had to be to her studies in order to pass it.
I forgot to add that Athletic Training was what I got my BS in, so that's where it falls in the hierarchy of the medical field compared to PT.
My understanding is that he may be back for the opener, but haven't had it strongly confirmed either.
Did you ever work on campus at UNLV? Like as a student trainer with one of the sports?
I was a student trainer at Valley High School the year that they went to state. Their HC was Coach Murphy (TKM's husband). He was a coach at Gorman when I went there and brought over Gorman's trainer during my years. I got along with Coach Murphy and that trainer so I got the hours there.
In terms of how I treated UNLV athletes, I worked for a couple of the orthopedic team doctors in outpatient PT so I'd get the student-athletes. (Golfers went to Keith Kleven during my outpatient tenure. He had a monopoly on the UNLV guys as well as several professionals).
Training/ Sports medicine, strength and conditioning can be a very tricky thing. I have no idea the quality of the UNLV team and what they do or don't do. But I know it is a difficult task, with basketball especially.
I have worked with countless HS athletes, a ton of college athletes, and my fair share of pros as well. Not everyone is a "work out guy". I work with a guy who was with the Rockets for 15+ years as a strength and conditioning coach and a part of the rehab team. I have a previous mentee that is with the Memphis Grizzlies, as well a mentees with the Colts and the Commanders.
Strength and conditioning is a much bigger part of the football culture, but basketball and baseball can be very hit or miss. You can get away with talent in those sports, and I think that the standout players get a bit of preferential treatment and accolades, it is different that football.
It amazes me how some of the highest performers have the worst core strength and even landing mechanics. Case in point, RG3 who was a phenomenal athlete, had landing mechanics like an un-athletic 12 year old girl ( that is bad in case you were wondering). There is a picture of this at the NFL combine of all places, where he was likely in the best shape of his life.
There are metrics you can do that may indicate if a particular athlete is more susceptible to injury, but it is still a crapshoot. Sometimes we are able to do some preseason healthy testing, but most of our research we do is after injury.
As for personnel, there are a lot of specialists/hats that go into it. Most athletic trainers have their focus on the initial injury and management acutely. Typically PT's do not have the training for on the field injury but are much better with the longer term rehab. Strength coaches are trained for healthy people, and typically miss the some of the small details and pitfalls that are unique to injured athletes. There are people that wear multiple hats. I have done training in all categories, and most pro teams are looking for people with at least extensive training in 2 of the 3 categories. But that trend is pretty new.
I have worked with countless HS athletes, a ton of college athletes, and my fair share of pros as well. Not everyone is a "work out guy". I work with a guy who was with the Rockets for 15+ years as a strength and conditioning coach and a part of the rehab team. I have a previous mentee that is with the Memphis Grizzlies, as well a mentees with the Colts and the Commanders.
Strength and conditioning is a much bigger part of the football culture, but basketball and baseball can be very hit or miss. You can get away with talent in those sports, and I think that the standout players get a bit of preferential treatment and accolades, it is different that football.
It amazes me how some of the highest performers have the worst core strength and even landing mechanics. Case in point, RG3 who was a phenomenal athlete, had landing mechanics like an un-athletic 12 year old girl ( that is bad in case you were wondering). There is a picture of this at the NFL combine of all places, where he was likely in the best shape of his life.
There are metrics you can do that may indicate if a particular athlete is more susceptible to injury, but it is still a crapshoot. Sometimes we are able to do some preseason healthy testing, but most of our research we do is after injury.
As for personnel, there are a lot of specialists/hats that go into it. Most athletic trainers have their focus on the initial injury and management acutely. Typically PT's do not have the training for on the field injury but are much better with the longer term rehab. Strength coaches are trained for healthy people, and typically miss the some of the small details and pitfalls that are unique to injured athletes. There are people that wear multiple hats. I have done training in all categories, and most pro teams are looking for people with at least extensive training in 2 of the 3 categories. But that trend is pretty new.
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A certain first ballot HOF pitcher (not Maddux but I won’t reveal his name) had the shoulder physique of someone who works a desk job and then comes home and sits on the couch. No definition at all. Yet had a long, HOF career.
Very rare but sometimes people just get very lucky in life.
Very rare but sometimes people just get very lucky in life.
"I have no idea the quality of the UNLV team and what they do or don't do. But I know it is a difficult task, with basketball especially. "
You must be a Kruger fan or something ???
You do have EYES don't you ?
As a Trainer myself I can tell by just looking at the UNLV team - they are not well conditioned - The players do NOT look muscular nor very Athletic - They seem to fatigue easily and are injury prone ? What other info do you need ?
- Its not a crap shoot - If you train properly -you can absolutely increase your percentages to avoid injury. It is NOT a crapshoot it is Science. If you are STRONG you do NOT break -
Alan BIshop - The trainer from UH - is all about bulletproofing - He comes from the Charles Poliquin school of training. Lots of Strength in length -full range movements - with an huge mobility emphesis - He does it in basketball and as a result UH has the best CBB program in the country.
Not every one likes to workout (UH recruits GYM rats)
BUt still good trainers can teach kids how to enjoy the process - Make working out easy - how to enjoy the process, Its something that can be taught
If their was a good trainer on Staff - Maybe the BIG GUARD Keyshawn would've lost the LBS @UNLV and he would've developed here instead of transferring.
Your Buddy Kevin needs to quit listing to his Dad and his old antiquated way of doing things and
LOOk at UH and why are they so successful _ PAY ATTENTION TO
the
TRAINING !!!! TRAINING !!! TRAINING !!!
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The negative of hiring a trainer (by the player) is that, as the cost accumulates, then the trainer may push the player to turn pro sooner than what is good for the player.
I'd be shocked if "Big Guard" from last season didn't go pro in some capacity after this season. Yes, he's producing, but he's also paying for a personal trainer so he may need the bigger money that overseas would pay him.
I'd be shocked if "Big Guard" from last season didn't go pro in some capacity after this season. Yes, he's producing, but he's also paying for a personal trainer so he may need the bigger money that overseas would pay him.
This wasn't a knock or directed at you, @rebelwithacause. I meant that in general since I know of someone who had to leave school to cover this debt.
Jesus christ dude.
You know what science is, is taking objective opinion based off of facts.
Neither you or I have any idea what these players are doing.
Players are soft? I've had ridiculously jacked patients that couldn't hold a minute plank, or land with 30 deg valgus like the RG3 example i gave. I've had skinny undefined bodies out push much more impressive counterparts on Biodex machines.
Talk about science I have been a part of 5 different research studies. Collecting research for multiple presentations at national conferences in the field.
None of what you mention is science. It is inference off of surface level observation.
Injuries have a certain level of flukiness. If you go up for a rebound and you land on someone else's foot you are going to sprain your ankle. Actual science showed no difference with ankle strengthening and ankle sprains.
I'm not a Kruger "lover" but I do want him to succeed. He may be in too big of a hole for that this season. That has nothing to do with this conversation.
The sports medicine staff may not be great or they could be doing everything in their power with the science behind them. I don't know and neither than you. You can guess and I can guess but that is what all it would be. A guess.
I've done this long enough to know that there are so many factors that go into injuries that both of us, over a 1000 miles away, don't know everything.
Bc may be the one person here that may have some sort of idea, but I would guess that he wouldn't throw the staff under the bus when it comes to sports medicine.
Oh yeah, you want to talk about university of Houston? Their current director of rehab and their current sports medicine fellow are two therapists that I personally mentored in the clinic and the training room for 13 months a piece. I also work very closely with their two main orthopedic surgeries (one of them is a UNLV grad).
I know they have a good staff.
You can call a spade a spade without throwing someone under the bus -
PTs and trainers think differently- We will just leave it at that ; )
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No clue what you mean but I've worn both shoes. Yes, we do have to think differently since we have more stringent rules governing us. Also, I couldn't become a PT until after further schooling while I became a trainer while I was still in undergrad, but we will just leave it at that.
Yes everyone knows
To be a PT you have to go thru a lot more education
Congratulations on your formal education
Before @dcut03 comes in here and shreds you for the snarky “formal education” line, do you think that us knowing what we know makes us better or worse at getting the most out of clients? More or less than a trainer?
Dude my dream was to be an LVAC gym instructor. I’d rather play cool music and do exercises..
PT and trainers do think somewhat differently.
But good PT's and good trainers communicate and learn from each other. I am constantly talking with my strength coaches and vice versa picking up ideas and different ways at looking at things.
But it truly is a team effort if the athlete's best interest are at hand.
You challenged what I said, something I know a lot about. So I gave a retort.
Especially with University of Houston. But I'm glad you brought him up. I talked with some guys that knows Alan Bishop who are very impressed with him. I'm probably going to give him a follow.
And @bcvegaspt, it sounds like Sampson is a big "team" guy, and does not allow outside trainers to meddle with his players. So it sounds like Bishop is controlling to sports performance side himself.
I can be a jerk sometimes - I apologize for my abrasiveness and being so curt- That goes to you and the other PTs
I appreciate PTs and really think the world of your guys - I have all the respect in the world for PTs. Just a different mindset than myself - you guys have to contend with a lot of different challenges than us trainers do-
In the world of TRainers - Especially for basketball - Bishop is the best -
My real intent was to turn your guys eyes onto what he is doing _ he is from the same school of training I am from (Charles Poliquin stuff) and I thought you guys might appreciate what he doing. Thanks guys
Let me let you in on a little secret bro ...
Being a trainer at LVAC is a HORRIBLE JOB
Thats not what you want
What you really want is just to get laid without having to pay for it......LOL
The allure of having women fall for you and admire you is probably your real dream more than the actual low paying occupation
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FACTS:
99% of trainers are horrible and get their cert out of a cracker jack boxes so obviously PTS education are more valuable
BUt an education and/or a degree doesn't mean you are good either -
I know PTS have a lot more bureaucracy to deal with (insurance companies) _ I am ground level - sweat and grind type stuff -
Different perspective/angle/approach - much more Before injury (bulletproofing) - while you are After injury
There is a huge variance in specialty when it comes to physical therapy. The field is truly becoming like physicans with focus in different areas. Some PT's work with strokes and brain injuries all day, some stay in the hospital cleaning bed sores and dealing with crazy medication, loose stools, and the like. We now have board certifications which require an additional residency or multi hours (3 years worth) working with patients specifically in that field, with a pretty intense specialty exam on top of that. This is coming much more of a norm these days. But it is relatively new. Residencies barely existed when I was coming out of school.
True all PTs have a pretty solid background in orthopedics, but it does vary.
Very few work with athletes at the highest level, or least a steady dose of higher level of athletes.
You are right that the standard PT will have much more reliability than a trainer, simply because we have state issue licenses and a basic burden of knowledge to get that license. Anyone can call themselves a trainer and do not have the legal burden.
There are plenty of PT's in my system that I wouldn't recommend for a high level athlete.
I've cringed at some of the stuff I've seen or heard about other PT's doing. Just because PT's SHOULD be better, doesn't mean that they are. Dealing with people well is the most important part of all of our fields. If you, I, and @dcut03 don't inspire our clients to act, none of us are any good. I saw the movie Patch Adams while I was still in PT school and I still remember the one doctor saying that he knows how to cure the patient but he can't get her to eat to save her life.
Inspiration, and setting an example, are so important. If I show up gasping for air because I walked from my truck to their front door, no patient of mine will want me to show up twice. Seeing that I can catch them should they fall, and that I'm by their side constantly during any type of balance activities, gains trust.
