Interview with AAC Commish.
This does not sound like a guy who thinks Memphis and Tulane are staying.
This does not sound like a guy who thinks Memphis and Tulane are staying.
IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART
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I am that was low hanging fruit not my normal high brow attempts at humor....
I promise to do better..
Memphis and Tulane are not in the CUSA. Will the PAC 6 media deal beat the AAC? The MWC was not better.. I don’t see where WSU or OSU and 4 MWC teams will do much better, if any than the current AAC with their TV deal.
I wasn't saying they were. My point was a decimated AAC or MWC is going to be looking at a CUSA type media deal vs what they currently have. Better but not by much. Especially if MWC reloads with CUSA teams.
The ACC getting some clarification on their future today could help end some of this craziness and open the doors for some schools.
With the AAC, if Memphis and Tulane are in fact out and AFA is leaving they have some open spots.
I'm not sure if that's better for UNLV than trying to reload the MWC if there is no PAC invite. With Memphis Tulane yes. Without..Not so much.
Like I said before, I'll believe B12 stuff only after I'm drinking a beer and watching UNLV kickoff vs Oklahoma State in Stillwater and not until then. 🙂
Here is the question you should be asking If the PAC deal is not better then why would they even target the AAC schools? Especially with the travel? That answer is easy, they wouldn't.
The MW contract is what it is because there is a ton of dead weight at the middle and bottom of the league. Part of the reaso. Theu didnt want a merger/reverse merger. OSU and WAZZ are worth more than probably every MW school. Then take the 4 best markets out of the MW that helped raise our profile and now you are looking at potentially 10+ mil per school.
Because they need to get to 8 teams and don't want to pay another 80 million dollars to do it... and they're trying to sell the weak Pac brand to them over conference affiliation like AAC...
That is possible but a very stupid approach. It won't work.
Hey I have a job opportunity for you. You will have to drive 2 hours each way, and we might match your salary. But maybe not.
I don't buy it. Thr PAC should be self aware that their name does not carry weight
Wouldn't it be absolutely glorious if some how some way Memphis and Tulane stay put.
But if you read that article from yesterday on how everything went down, you get the impression that the new commissioner doesn't understand that. It comes off as upset they couldn't get their way with the MWC negotiations so they convinced 4 easy schools thar they'd pay all their fees to basically destroying MWC an in turn get what they want- assume new media deal will give them a higher payout, then these next 4, plus they get to split up remaining funds between the 2..
They're also now possibly gambling with talks to AAC programs arguing that they'll get a reduced media deal in near future due to the "competition clause" ESPN will use to renegotiate if MWC adds any programs that aren't Tulane or Memphis...
The AAC contract negotiated in 2019 has a "Conference composition" clause that allows ESPN to protect itself should the name brands in the contract not be part of the conference. In 2019 that deal was signed with Houston, Cincy, UCF, UCONN, Memphis, and Tulane... They've already lost 4 of those programs. Im not sure at what point ESPN decides to pull that trigger and re-negotiate the media deal, but you can bet if the MWC or the Pac 2 take any more programs from them, itll probably come up.
I heard there is “mutual interest”. But it could have been someone from the big12 wanted to travel to Vegas on company dime to have an expensive steak dinner on UNLV’s dime.
Agreed!
IMO, unless the PAC is going to bring in additional schools from the midwest/eastern part of the country, I don't see why Memphis & Tulane would want to go. Unless they're just done with the AAC and want to leave immediately. The travel and associated costs would be horrible for the non-football sports. And without having a media deal in place for the PAC, how do you know if you're going to end up coming out ahead in that deal?
Also, I'd assume the PAC buyout would be fairly substantial, so if they commit to it, they're hurting their chances at getting into the ACC if a few of those schools leave, as has been discussed.
Quoting myself here, but this could also be a move by Memphis & Tulane to get more money from the AAC. They were hoping to get into the ACC, pending all the litigation with Florida State and Clemson. That deal sounds like the ACC may be willing to offer some of the schools a higher cut of the media deal, which in turn may keep the ACC in tact as is. But in the end, it still may not be enough (like with Texas and OU).
So what if Memphis and Tulane are playing a similar game and acting as though they're going to leave, so they can get a deal made with the AAC, bumping their cut to 10 million or so? In that case, they'd save the exit fees ($10-$18 million), keep their chances at an ACC inclusion alive, and increase the bottom line without having to incur all of the additional costs associated with joining the PAC 6
I keep saying it, and will keep on saying it. The Six-Pac MUST get UNLV. AF would be good, Wyoming or Reno if necessary. One bottom-ish feeder won't kill us. It would be stupid to pick up Tulane and Memphis, 2000 or so miles away, then have UNLV do the reverse and go to the AAC. Whatever the F is the hold up, fix it. It can't just be the additional poaching/exit fees. And shit - the Pac was already having their BB league tourneys in Vegas. Can we hang on to the LV Bowl? Less than 10 teams means no FB league title game, but eventually......
I thought I read yesterday that the ACC/FSU/CLEMSON drama looked like it was going to likely get cleared up.
ACC is still a strong brand even If Clemson and FSU left. I don't think it would implode.
DUKE, NC STATE, UNC, BOSTON COLLEGE, UVA, VA TECH, MIAMI, WAKE, PITT, Cal, STANFORD, LOUISVILLE, SMU, GA TECH, Syracuse
Regardless.
Memphis and Tulane are the two biggest pieces to this puzzle.
Once those to are official one way or another things get real interesting for UNLV.
With just Memphis and Tulane PAC qualifies as a conference I believe.
They could stay put for next few years and wait things out. And look to add down the road.
That's bad for UNLV (and potentially others in the MWC). UNLV and remainder of MWC would now be forced to decide do we dig in and attempt to rebuild by poaching or possibly merge with say the AAC or CUSA?
Or are they all on the horn searching for new homes?
I've seen rumors PAC may stop at 9 initially. Again possibly not great for UNLV if PACs next step is to try to get into Texas and they Target a Rice or UTSA.
I don't know. This really could go in a lot of different directions some we haven't even considered.
Assuming the exit fee must be paid when you actually exit (7/1/26), and with the assumption that the _Pac-2 is going to help with the exit fees, you telling me UNLV can't have an almost 2-year fundraising campaign to raise the $17M (less Pac help) that they would need?
Unlv has very few high dollar boosters. We don’t have many millionaires, but we do have some hundred thousandinares.
I think the issue with the ACC is heading in the direction of being settled, but it would depend on how much the ACC decides to give them, and how things are looking with regards to the GOR lawsuit.
If the ACC agrees to give extra money to FSU and/or Clemson, what about the other schools? Will UNC ask for more? Miami? Louisville? I have a hard time believing that all of these other schools are okay with taking a big pay cut to give more to a handful of other schools, but who knows? Especially with the way FSU is looking in football this year. 😂
FSU picked a bad time to talk @#$% ..
History would say no.
UNLV is still a relatively young university. We just don't have a ton of 'old' alumni money yet.
It has gotten better, but still a struggle.
To get the 30 million dollar football facility we had to hire a HS coach who had ties to the Fertitas.
Our previous 'facility' looked like a YMCA.
I do have more confidence in current president and AD so my skepticism stems from a quarter century of ineptitude.
UNLV paying huge exit fees to go to the same level of conference they've been in so lame. Same with the 4 MWC schools that already jumped. This whole thing makes no sense and seems to rely on so many what-ifs
"I thought I read yesterday that the ACC/FSU/CLEMSON drama looked like it was going to likely get cleared up."
This involves a potential new revenue structure where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Spitballing here - you'd need 8 or 9 presidents to agree. So they would have to balance what they think they could get with FSU/Clem vs. what they calculate they are worth without them. All would depend on the numbers. Guaranteed bad blood however - see Boise.
This involves a potential new revenue structure where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Spitballing here - you'd need 8 or 9 presidents to agree. So they would have to balance what they think they could get with FSU/Clem vs. what they calculate they are worth without them. All would depend on the numbers. Guaranteed bad blood however - see Boise.
If they were to jump to the pac to play the same teams they've already been playing and could have been playing...
their view is because they're expecting more money from a TV deal that doesn't exist.
Whoever decides this stuff needs to have a cool mathematical head and eliminate emotion.
I don't get it either. We are gripping to pay an exit fee to get into basically the same conference we're already in. With no guarantee auto-bid for the champion? Why would the TV money or exposure be any better in the long run? Just play some good OOC teams, run your shitty conference and you're in the mix for a playoff spot.
Oh? Do you have a link or other information to support that statement? Other than has been reported, that the Pac-2 was expected to "help" with the exit fees......
I've said many times that I don't like what the Pac-2 is doing and has done. But give us some credit. OSU and WSU have more cachet than anyone in the MW and are as good as any of you in FB. As you will see this fall. So if you think that a conference with SJSU, UNM, Reno and USU is "basically the same conference" as the Pac, I would respectfully disagree.
No link, but I can guarantee you 3 of those schools are heavily in the red and have to go to broke higher education departments to ask for $17M. The Pac2 will have to pay the poaching fee pursuant to the contract. Boise is fine.
Just take Reno SJSU Sac State and call it a day
We are going to the Big 12 or AAC.
OSU and Wazzu don't have any cachet other than the conference they are currently tied to. You're high on your on supply. The only cachet here is the P12 brand. And I never said it would be 'basically the same conference'. I said it would be an easier and equal way to get to the playoff spot
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