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Harper....The next UNLV head basketball coach

So if UNLV goes on a run and makes it to the MWC championship game, are we to pray the Rebels lose so we don't go to the NCAA tournament and possible keep Kruger?
Not just no but hell no. I dont think Kevin is the right person for the job, but i will route for him to win every game UNLV is in until the season is over. If that is the MWCT championship game I will be routing for him and the Rebels to win. To me routing for him to lose really questions what type of fan someone is.
 
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Slow growth isn't dumb if it gets you to where you want to be.

What is dumb is expecting instant gratification and firing anyone who cannot provide that for you.

This year so far is about as good as OU has been in recent years, it isn't over, and they could fall off a cliff, Or they could find themselves back in the top 15 this year. Their schedule is brutal.

Here is the real question. Do you think you know more about hiring a coach then a reputable professional firm of a team of people that do this for a living. Or know better than an AD of a successful program? You that same program, that took our coach that half the fan base wanted to be fired because he "peaked" who then went to a final four?
What about slow fade? How much do we pay for that?
 
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Won't be Wade. He's waiting for the right P4 opening smartly so...
Won't be a UNLV legend. Doesn't match the profile of coach we need. Also we don't need to latch onto past players with 0 head coaching experience again.. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and 3rd time...
If I had to bet, it'll be either a decent former coach that's out of coaching currently or an up and coming success coach that can bring a roster with him.
 
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UNLV isn’t going to be competing for the Will Wades of the CBB market. This is probably more in line with what UNLV can afford:


Bruce Weber

Juwan Howard (was considered prior to hiring TJO)

Josh Pastner

Randy Bennett (offered job in past)

Mike Hopkins (Dave Rice AHC?)


They all have drawbacks, nobody is perfect. It’ll be interesting to see if Harper actually does pull the trigger.
 
I’m not the type that can root for a loss just to get rid of a coach, even if I think that coach isn’t the answer. Would feel like self betrayal to me. I know most fans do and to each their own, I’m not going to try and talk them into my point of view and not going to belittle them for their own point of view. To each their own.
Last year if not for a run at the end of the season and playing well in the NIT, I think Kruger would nave been gone, another run through the MWC would mean another year in which nobody would go to the games.
 
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Not just no but hell no. I dont think Kevin is the right person for the job, but i will route for him to win every game UNLV is in until the season is over. If that is the MWCT championship game I will be routing for him and the Rebels to win. To me routing for him to lose really questions what type of fan someone is.
I don’t question their fandom. Their eyes are, like everyone else, on the big prize. They just see a different path to get there.

And how hard you root for a team or root against a team doesn’t impact any outcomes, so it’s sort of the chips fall where they may and then you deal with it. Fans hoping a coach loses so they can get a new coach isn’t why a team loses. I know people like to blame the fans for successes or failures but come on …. It’s on the head coach. Period.
 
I don’t question their fandom. Their eyes are, like everyone else, on the big prize. They just see a different path to get there.

And how hard you root for a team or root against a team doesn’t impact any outcomes, so it’s sort of the chips fall where they may and then you deal with it. Fans hoping a coach loses so they can get a new coach isn’t why a team loses. I know people like to blame the fans for successes or failures but come on …. It’s on the head coach. Period.
Fans can't lose a game for a team, but a really strong base can help win games! Football is starting to get the type of fan base that can help win like BSU has done for decades!
 
But expecting instant gratification or near instant gratification should be the expectation at certain schools. Not at Bethune Cookman or UWGB. we did it with Odom. We did it with Lindy. Our own backyard. And within our limits. Good hires, obviously.

And there’d be far more rope if there is actual GROWTH, not microscopic, debatable growth. There’s a huge gap between instant gratification and the slow growth that you allow. Fisher had a slow growth, but it was absolutely measurable growth. Fans will have patience when it’s not a nanometer per year. They have to see it, they have to feel it. You cannot reasonably expect fans to rally around the same old, same old every year. I don’t know what OU’s Y2Y attendance has been. At UNLV, we see the results of “slow growth” or more aptly, stagnancy.

I’d much, much, much rather UNLV has a “we get it” moment and has a sudden and sustained resurgence under Kevin. Without playing the “maybe, well if this happens…” game, in your gut, do you see KK having this major change/epiphany? I don’t see it. I hope for it, but have seen zero evidence that it’s a possibility. I base that on very bland and rather unimpactful recruiting, a stubbornness to schemes that just aren’t working. That’s what I see when I try to assess it objectively.

I don’t like changing coaches, I can’t stand it, it all feels like setbacks unless you have the cash to hire a difference maker. I’d much rather it be KK who succeeds from here on out. I just have incredibly low confidence in that based on the results we’ve seen. Losing Odom sucked, but I’d much rather lose a coach because of success instead of failure.

Because of our history, our draw, the city, perceptions, etc, etc, etc - UNLV is one of those schools that can be bludgeoned to death by low expectations, patience, slow growth. Kevin has had four years so far - that’s patience, imo. 1 NIT in four years doesn’t get it, neither does two. Seems Poser is on a similar path in a similar situation (but they have much better resources/$$$ that UNLV, so they shouldn’t have stepped into the mistake in the first place, imo).

If it doesn’t work out, we will see if we get a good hire here. If it doesn’t work out for OU, my guess is they will stray from their last formula and take a far less risky hire. And if it doesn’t work out at OU, without knowing any OU fans but understating their history, I have a feeling a large percentage of their fanbase will call it their “worst hire ever”. Without looking at their message boards, I have confidence that fans are not very happy with the current state. You cannot change the mindset of a fanbase, you have to satisfy them. If you don’t, sure, you’ll lose them and you’ll grow a smaller, new fan base that has lessened expectations (that’s where we are now). It’s not good for the program.

And if it still sucks for UNLV, there’s always football.
You realize that Moser's year this year is about as good or better than Rice's best year here, right?

They started off really good, was ranked in the top 15. Still have a bunch of quality wins and no bad losses. The SEC is brutal this year and they aren't quite keeping up with the top of the league, but they are right in that second tier. They are definitely a tourney team right now, and have a path to be a 5 or so seed. I don't think that OU fans think that is "microscopic growth" in year 4 or think that has to be the worst coach ever.

You think that UNLV fans wouldn't have the patience for that?

I have seen enough with Kevin. That I agree with. Because there hasn't been much growth, not where it matters. I think recruiting has been good enough, but you can't let the same mistakes and limitations that have held you back on the floor beat you over and over. You struggle to score? You have trouble rebounding? Your defensive schemes keep getting beat for easy buckets? Then change. He hasn't done that.

He is young and learning on the job, I had been waiting for him to finally address these issues, but he hasn't. Despite these issues killing us over and over. Last year was good at times, but we still mostly "out talented" teams for our big wins, and we had no answer for off nights with our stars when we have no scheme to generate offense otherwise. So in retrospect, last year probably made things worse. Since talent covered up deficiencies enough.

ODOM WASN'T INSTANT SUCCESS. He relied heavily on Arroyo's recruits which were very good for this conference. Also 5-7 isn't exactly the doldrums, especially not at UNLV. Odom knew how to use them better. . He deserves credit for that. Mullen being successful this year would be a more impressive first year since he will be relying mostly on new players since so many left. I think he will be successful, but if anything Odom's success is and example of "slow growth" from at least a personnel standpoint, which is more important in football.

Lindy is a bit different, but MW basketball is pretty bad. She deserves all the credit in the world for rising well above her peers, but in a national sense, she is basically the best in a one bid league and still can't get a tourney win. It's not like men's sports where the MW is a top 5 or 6 league with multiple at least somewhat relevant teams.
 
Is moser going to be fired? If Oklahoma wins a couple games in their conference tournament , it won’t be an issue of making the dance.
 
Moser IMO had that run he did with the perfect combination of recruits and most being Seniors from what i remember. Kinda like CLK. I have never seen such chemistry for team EVER. They were fun to watch.
 
Moser IMO had that run he did with the perfect combination of recruits and most being Seniors from what i remember. Kinda like CLK. I have never seen such chemistry for team EVER. They were fun to watch.
He did have all the pieces come together at the right time, one of the biggest Cinderella stories ever in college basketball. But when you look at his entire body of work, it screams fluke, perfect storm, etc, which is fine. It’s just not close to indicative of what he normally accomplishes.

I’m guessing OU will make the tournament this year? 16-8, lost 4 of last 5 but those four were against some of the best teams in the nation, all ranked. But they were obliterated in those games too, they didn’t appear to be competitive. But I suspect with their SOS/NET, they’ll probably still make it, maybe a strong bubble team right now? I don’t know. They have work to do. And if he doesn’t, that’d mean 1 NIT and 0 NCCAT in his four years at OU, which isn’t going to be good enough for them, imo. Hell, it’s not good enough at UNLV.
 
You realize that Moser's year this year is about as good or better than Rice's best year here, right?

They started off really good, was ranked in the top 15. Still have a bunch of quality wins and no bad losses. The SEC is brutal this year and they aren't quite keeping up with the top of the league, but they are right in that second tier. They are definitely a tourney team right now, and have a path to be a 5 or so seed. I don't think that OU fans think that is "microscopic growth" in year 4 or think that has to be the worst coach ever.

You think that UNLV fans wouldn't have the patience for that?

I have seen enough with Kevin. That I agree with. Because there hasn't been much growth, not where it matters. I think recruiting has been good enough, but you can't let the same mistakes and limitations that have held you back on the floor beat you over and over. You struggle to score? You have trouble rebounding? Your defensive schemes keep getting beat for easy buckets? Then change. He hasn't done that.

He is young and learning on the job, I had been waiting for him to finally address these issues, but he hasn't. Despite these issues killing us over and over. Last year was good at times, but we still mostly "out talented" teams for our big wins, and we had no answer for off nights with our stars when we have no scheme to generate offense otherwise. So in retrospect, last year probably made things worse. Since talent covered up deficiencies enough.

ODOM WASN'T INSTANT SUCCESS. He relied heavily on Arroyo's recruits which were very good for this conference. Also 5-7 isn't exactly the doldrums, especially not at UNLV. Odom knew how to use them better. . He deserves credit for that. Mullen being successful this year would be a more impressive first year since he will be relying mostly on new players since so many left. I think he will be successful, but if anything Odom's success is and example of "slow growth" from at least a personnel standpoint, which is more important in football.

Lindy is a bit different, but MW basketball is pretty bad. She deserves all the credit in the world for rising well above her peers, but in a national sense, she is basically the best in a one bid league and still can't get a tourney win. It's not like men's sports where the MW is a top 5 or 6 league with multiple at least somewhat relevant teams.
UNLV was ranked and got a 5 seed year two. Hoser’s this year might not make the NCAAT, if they do, it’ll be that 10 seed type (unless they go on a run in conf, conf tournament).

No, those are not equal. And Poser was highly sought after the Cinderella run, makes a ton in comparison to what he was making or what Rice made. He hasn’t performed well so far. Far below their expectations. For OU, he may end up being that “Marv hire” in the end. Nothing is written in stone but he certainly needs to make up ground to avoid that potential.
 
You realize that Moser's year this year is about as good or better than Rice's best year here, right?

They started off really good, was ranked in the top 15. Still have a bunch of quality wins and no bad losses. The SEC is brutal this year and they aren't quite keeping up with the top of the league, but they are right in that second tier. They are definitely a tourney team right now, and have a path to be a 5 or so seed. I don't think that OU fans think that is "microscopic growth" in year 4 or think that has to be the worst coach ever.

You think that UNLV fans wouldn't have the patience for that?

I have seen enough with Kevin. That I agree with. Because there hasn't been much growth, not where it matters. I think recruiting has been good enough, but you can't let the same mistakes and limitations that have held you back on the floor beat you over and over. You struggle to score? You have trouble rebounding? Your defensive schemes keep getting beat for easy buckets? Then change. He hasn't done that.

He is young and learning on the job, I had been waiting for him to finally address these issues, but he hasn't. Despite these issues killing us over and over. Last year was good at times, but we still mostly "out talented" teams for our big wins, and we had no answer for off nights with our stars when we have no scheme to generate offense otherwise. So in retrospect, last year probably made things worse. Since talent covered up deficiencies enough.

ODOM WASN'T INSTANT SUCCESS. He relied heavily on Arroyo's recruits which were very good for this conference. Also 5-7 isn't exactly the doldrums, especially not at UNLV. Odom knew how to use them better. . He deserves credit for that. Mullen being successful this year would be a more impressive first year since he will be relying mostly on new players since so many left. I think he will be successful, but if anything Odom's success is and example of "slow growth" from at least a personnel standpoint, which is more important in football.

Lindy is a bit different, but MW basketball is pretty bad. She deserves all the credit in the world for rising well above her peers, but in a national sense, she is basically the best in a one bid league and still can't get a tourney win. It's not like men's sports where the MW is a top 5 or 6 league with multiple at least somewhat relevant teams.
5-7 is exactly the doldrums and is why Sanchez was fired. Sanchez was 4-8, 5-7, 4-8 and 4-8 the four years before Arroyo took over the program. Arroyo took over the program and went significantly backwards for two years in a row before starting off the third year with a nice little winning streak. This same team went on a 6 game losing streak including losing to a 2-9 Hawaii finishing off with a lucky win over a unr team that should have been a 3-4 TD win. Per 247, Arroyo had the 76th ranked class in 2012 which was third in the MWC, and dropped way down the next season to the 100th ranked class and 7th in the MWC. So we have mediocre recruiting and players that couldn't win under coach Arroyo playing for Odom and you are crediting the recruiting of Arroyo for being a big part of why Odom won? Arroyo could have the same players 10 times in a row and the team would continue to suck, and Odom could have taken the same players 10 times in a row and you would have seen notable improvement which is due to great coaching.

Odom took the same players that finished the season 1-6 and finished off the season going to the MWC championship and a bowl game which to me is instant success!
 
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