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Went out and watched Friday's practice with Rebelbuck. I mostly watched the incoming freshmen and came away with the following impressions.


QBs
Decker is way ahead of everybody else. Palandech did not have a good day throwing the ball. Thomson actually looked better than Palandech on this day. Did not see Sneed in the mix much.


RBs.
Lexington Thomas is fast. Really fast. Not just straight line speed fast but stop and start fast. He was running with the 1s and 2s all day. He had a couple of nice runs and is extremely dangerous in space. Showed decent hands in drills as well. He is going to see the field a lot this year. He could become the starter or at the least be a 1a option in a time share or a 3rd down specialist guy who gets a series or two a game. I cannot disagree more with Will's early assessment of this kid during the recruiting process. Thomas was turning heads at practice today.

X. Campbell. Knock on him was he was might be to slow. He may not have top end speed but he has very quick feet and reads his blocks extremely well for a younger player. I would rather have a guy that runs a 4.7 and is decisive than a shifty guy that tries to bounce everything outside. He is also every bit the 220 lbs listed. He is also very much in the mix for playing time and will most likely be our short yardage specialist. He is also every bit of the 220 lbs he is listed and is the type of back that will not go down on first contact. I can honestly see a scenario where he and Thomas are the 2 featured backs this year.

K. Whitley had some nice runs and may retain the job just because he was the incumbent. He is a smart kid and has good vision he just lacks an extra gear or great size. He may actually take the 3rd down job because of his ability to pass protect.

Mostly likely Whitley gets the nod but he is going to have a hard time fighting off either of the freshmen. Thomas like I said is fast and they staff will find a way to get him on the field. It appears Altee Tenpenny may be gone for unspecified reasons. At first I was bummed to hear this, but after seeing the combination of Thomas and Campbell I feel like we will be in good shape at the running back spot for the next few years. That isn't to diminish Tenpenny being gone, just that Thomas and Campbell are talented in their own rights.

WRs

Woods and Presley are going to play this year. Woods looks a lot like D. Davis in stature. Hard to believe that kid is a freshmen. He also is a very good blocker and had a couple of good grabs. He is not a burner, but fights for the ball and will be a very good possession guy.

Presley runs great routes and is more quick than he is straight line fast. Gets in and out of his breaks quick and looks polished for such a young kid.

Keys looks the part but had a couple of drops today and seems to lose focus at times.

Boyd is in a class all his own. Looked really good today.

DL
Alo-Wily is a stud. Completely blew up a number of plays today and bounced between the 1s and 2s. Fao is a also a stud. Based on playing time today we are looking at a rotation of Hughes, Alo-Wily and Fao for sure in the mix. What went from a position of great need is now starting to look like it may become a strength for us down the road. At the very least we will have a ton of able bodies to throw at opponents.

Gabe McCoy is on the small side for a D1 defensive end, we all knew that coming in.(That said he is absolutely shredded, he just looks small vs the other DL guys) He may never develop into a full time defensive end. That is the cons. The pros are he is extremely explosive off the edge, has a variety of moves to get after the QB and made a couple of nice plays today in drills and in scrimmage situations. I think he will take on a pass rush specialist role for the time being playing in obvious passing downs. They also had him standing up quite a bit as an OLB in 3-4 looks and he seemed to hold up better in that role. I can see a scenario where he probably plays a hybrid DE/OLB spot during his career. Can't see him carrying more than about 230lb but with his first step that might be enough to play DE at the college level. To his credit he is very strong for his size and seemed to surprise a few guys with his strength. It also didn't help they have him wearing 25 which makes it look like a RB is playing along the DL. A kid with his attributes may not be a prototypical defensive end but a smart staff will find a way to utilize the skill set he does have.

LB
Laolagi played mostly with the 2s as UNLV is pretty deep at LB right now. Probably a red shirt year for him but he has a lot of upside. Seemed to read and react well. Weighs 205-210 right now but looks like he can add some weight.

DBs
Mouton is in the mix and will most likely be the 3rd or 4th CB. With the amount of spread offenses out there that essentially makes him a starter. Jay'Onn Myles is a smaller CB but made some nice plays on the ball today. Fred Wilson had a pick 6.

Javin White and Evan Austrie played mostly with the 3s but both of those kids physically look ready to play. Safety is a tough spot for a freshmen to come in and play right away with all the responsibilities. I have high hopes for both of those kids.
 
Went out and watched Friday's practice with Rebelbuck. I mostly watched the incoming freshmen and came away with the following impressions.


QBs
Decker is way ahead of everybody else. Palandech did not have a good day throwing the ball. Thomson actually looked better than Palandech on this day. Did not see Sneed in the mix much.


RBs.
Lexington Thomas is fast. Really fast. Not just straight line speed fast but stop and start fast. He was running with the 1s and 2s all day. He had a couple of nice runs and is extremely dangerous in space. Showed decent hands in drills as well. He is going to see the field a lot this year. He could become the starter or at the least be a 1a option in a time share or a 3rd down specialist guy who gets a series or two a game. I cannot disagree more with Will's early assessment of this kid during the recruiting process. Thomas was turning heads at practice today.

X. Campbell. Knock on him was he was might be to slow. He may not have top end speed but he has very quick feet and reads his blocks extremely well for a younger player. I would rather have a guy that runs a 4.7 and is decisive than a shifty guy that tries to bounce everything outside. He is also every bit the 220 lbs listed. He is also very much in the mix for playing time and will most likely be our short yardage specialist. He is also every bit of the 220 lbs he is listed and is the type of back that will not go down on first contact. I can honestly see a scenario where he and Thomas are the 2 featured backs this year.

K. Whitley had some nice runs and may retain the job just because he was the incumbent. He is a smart kid and has good vision he just lacks an extra gear or great size. He may actually take the 3rd down job because of his ability to pass protect.

Mostly likely Whitley gets the nod but he is going to have a hard time fighting off either of the freshmen. Thomas like I said is fast and they staff will find a way to get him on the field. It appears Altee Tenpenny may be gone for unspecified reasons. At first I was bummed to hear this, but after seeing the combination of Thomas and Campbell I feel like we will be in good shape at the running back spot for the next few years. That isn't to diminish Tenpenny being gone, just that Thomas and Campbell are talented in their own rights.

WRs

Woods and Presley are going to play this year. Woods looks a lot like D. Davis in stature. Hard to believe that kid is a freshmen. He also is a very good blocker and had a couple of good grabs. He is not a burner, but fights for the ball and will be a very good possession guy.

Presley runs great routes and is more quick than he is straight line fast. Gets in and out of his breaks quick and looks polished for such a young kid.

Keys looks the part but had a couple of drops today and seems to lose focus at times.

Boyd is in a class all his own. Looked really good today.

DL
Alo-Wily is a stud. Completely blew up a number of plays today and bounced between the 1s and 2s. Fao is a also a stud. Based on playing time today we are looking at a rotation of Hughes, Alo-Wily and Fao for sure in the mix. What went from a position of great need is now starting to look like it may become a strength for us down the road. At the very least we will have a ton of able bodies to throw at opponents.

Gabe McCoy is on the small side for a D1 defensive end, we all knew that coming in.(That said he is absolutely shredded, he just looks small vs the other DL guys) He may never develop into a full time defensive end. That is the cons. The pros are he is extremely explosive off the edge, has a variety of moves to get after the QB and made a couple of nice plays today in drills and in scrimmage situations. I think he will take on a pass rush specialist role for the time being playing in obvious passing downs. They also had him standing up quite a bit as an OLB in 3-4 looks and he seemed to hold up better in that role. I can see a scenario where he probably plays a hybrid DE/OLB spot during his career. Can't see him carrying more than about 230lb but with his first step that might be enough to play DE at the college level. To his credit he is very strong for his size and seemed to surprise a few guys with his strength. It also didn't help they have him wearing 25 which makes it look like a RB is playing along the DL. A kid with his attributes may not be a prototypical defensive end but a smart staff will find a way to utilize the skill set he does have.

LB
Laolagi played mostly with the 2s as UNLV is pretty deep at LB right now. Probably a red shirt year for him but he has a lot of upside. Seemed to read and react well. Weighs 205-210 right now but looks like he can add some weight.

DBs
Mouton is in the mix and will most likely be the 3rd or 4th CB. With the amount of spread offenses out there that essentially makes him a starter. Jay'Onn Myles is a smaller CB but made some nice plays on the ball today. Fred Wilson had a pick 6.

Javin White and Evan Austrie played mostly with the 3s but both of those kids physically look ready to play. Safety is a tough spot for a freshmen to come in and play right away with all the responsibilities. I have high hopes for both of those kids.
Great stuff but would also appreciate impressions on OLs.
 
I like the speed of Thomas but, for me, you have to add an asterisk to the production in the practice setting so far.
Thomas topped 100 yards as a senior only twice last season going for 229 vs Northbrook and 130 vs Spring but just 330 yards the remaining 8 games last season. To go from that production level versus high school opponents to running untouched for long touchdowns versus a college defense makes me more uncomfortable about the UNLV defense than seeing Thomas as a premier back.
Coming off of a season in which the defense was ranked 123 out of 125 allowing 513 yards per game, the lack of resistance to the run on the defensive end has to be a major concern so far in camp.

I'm also concerned about Decker, he is by far the best quarterback on the roster but he looked shaky to me when I went to practice Sunday. His reads were off and he tossed some bad balls during my time out. The NIU, Michigan and UCLA games may be pretty brutal before the Idaho State game. I really don't see a chance to generate any offense without Decker on the field but Decker also looks like he isn't ready to excel either.

Don't like the lack of numbers at WR with just 6 scholarship players. Excited to see Andrew Peterson develop as a walk on but he isn't ready to play now. With 20 player listed as defensive back and 17 on scholarship, I feel it would be smart to shift two or three into the wide receiver mix for fall camp just for depth.

Linebacker, for me the group look like block magnets during my time out and in some of the video released from camp. I don't know if this team can generate an even moderately strong defense.
 
Optimist Rebel fan. Pessimist with an agenda.

I mentioned the observations in a different thread.
http://unlv.forums.rivals.com/threads/a-different-perspective.8292/#post-80910

I'm a fan but I also know the game of football. Reading camp reports and seeing the available video, the defense has given up a lot of untouched runs to running backs so far this fall. The defense also struggled versus the run during the spring. That has to be a real concern coming off of a horrid season on that side of the ball namely against the run.
The struggles of the quarterbacks, especially when you get beyond Decker, is also a major concern to watch headed into a physical schedule that doesn't provide any gimme games.

From a football only perspective, I see this season going really bad on the football field unless these guys can step up and make teams work for yards. The biggest hope is that the offense is capable of throwing some punches as the defense looks a few notches below the group that took the field last season.
I feel I'm a rare voice of reason among people on the board. This is a football program that will likely finish the season without a win this year. Its the highest percentage possibility of all, though some people feel they will beat Idaho State.
Last year the program fielded a competitive football on the field and went to a bowl game the season prior but people were still unhappy with the coach.
Sanford pulled two 5 win seasons together and still ended up being fired due to not being competitive with decent teams.
I think there are people here that have a hard time accepting that a winless season possibility but this is the likely reality. If the team proves to be better and very competitive I will definitely take that. That said this is looking like a season where you should start staring down the road and hope things will get better when in year 3 or 4 when Sanchez is a more seasoned college football coach.
I enjoy UNLV football regardless but I know this is a very bad football team right now.
 
Glad that Buck made it out there today. I have gotten to know RebelinWa and he's a good guy. Buck pretty much confirmed my reporting to this point.
I hadn't really commented on the DL up to this point but was going to today. It looks like S-AW (Wily) is working his way in and as buck said he is absolutely a beast. He is so strong and quick that he just blows into the backfield. My big hope is that we put in a couple plays for him on 3'rd and 1 yd for a TD or important first down. He will definitely move the pile.
Jason Fao was impressive today. Really strong kid and just a sophomore. He just pushes whoever he is lined up against back into the backfield.
I am also feeling pretty good about Sonny Sanitoa. Big, strong and fast. Played really well last year. One other name to mention is Joseph Salazar, a redshirt freshman out of Houston. Really impressive speed and strength. He will see the field.
So I agree with Buck in that the DL might be a lot better than we were thinking.
I think our biggest concern is Center. If Will K gets hurt we don't have anybody else that can snap the ball. It has been an ongoing problem throughout camp.
Handwriting may be on the wall for Sneed. Didn't work during any of the live team drills today.
 
Based on observations they went to two different practices. As for the team not being as good as last year, not likely. Coach Hauck lost at least 3 of the games due to bad coaching decisions. If the coaching is nearly is bad we will be in trouble, otherwise should be better.
 
Based on observations they went to two different practices. As for the team not being as good as last year, not likely. Coach Hauck lost at least 3 of the games due to bad coaching decisions. If the coaching is nearly is bad we will be in trouble, otherwise should be better.

I've been out to practice myself and will likely attend another soon.
It's a new year with a different scheme, different players and different schedule not to mention a different staff.
If Idaho State decides not to play like an FCS preseason #22 team or one of the Mountain West teams decides to lay down, this team can pull off two wins.
This team gave up 293 yards per game rushing graduated nearly every experienced player on the defensive line. A defense featuring a group of linebackers are not good at clearing blocks or reading plays quickly along with limited depth
You also bring a far less experienced group of corners on the edge for a defense that plans to leaves them on an island.

Offensively you have a more conservative offense with no back up quarterback and a starter that has shown a higher penchant for turnovers so far in the fall. Just 6 scholarship receivers and just one experienced back up on the offensive line. Possible freshmen playing a major role at running back as carriers and blockers

Overall, there is a real recipe for disaster this season. If Sanchez find 1 win I would be surprised and two wins I would be amassed. I would love to be wrong but I can't see it
 
A lot of the freshmen O linemen at least look the part of college linesmen. The depth after Krietler at center is optimistic at best. Only Singer was decent, though not as good as Krietler. Pity Singer has to sit out the year. Neale is very green as a center, for some reason he had a lot of bad snaps to Palandech. Decker was the best out of the three, that being said, Decker has a lot of work to do.

Our defense is ahead. Jay'onn is so short that I think he often gets over looked on the qb's weak side. He will be an asset. Fao runs like a tractor in low gear. A couple of times that he made contact with the poor guy in from of him, a noise like a mack truck hitting . Pistolpete described Wily as the buzzsaw, a very accurate statement. I can't wait to see him develop.
 
Hard to believe you'll be 'amassed' with 2 wins. I got a C note or any other bet for you that this team will win 2 plus games. Come on Will, put your money where your mouth is. Sure...I see through scarlet colored glasses so it should be easy picking for you.
 
Will-

Are you sure you do not work for the North Korean Government New Agency. I have never seen anybody give half the story quite like you. Your views are more slanted than than either Fox News or CNN.

Had I said it was Andrew Peterson ripping it up at practice you would not have made one remark concerning the defense. You point out his high school production but didn't bring up his receiving numbers in high school. I also believe he was new to that high school for his senior year. Add to that he played in an offense where I believe the QB was also a big part of the running game. Please tell the entire story and not just your version of it.One last note, you also point out that Lexington Thomas is small. He is exactly the same size as Andrew Peterson who you said the Rebels should have given a scholarship. Now if that doesn't stink of bias towards local kids I don't know what does. Donnel Pumphrey who lead the conference in rushing last year is 5'9 180lbs. So not sure what point you were attempting to make. (None of my takes were meant as a rip on Andrew Peterson in any way. Seems like a good kid and hopefully he finds a way to contribute on the field in the next few years. Just using him as a comparison. )

We went through this dance before about the defense. Why are you concerned about the losses on arguably the worst defensive line in the country. And do not start with your 'they did their job' routine, because they didn't. Shirley was a big disappointment after being a double digit sack guy in the Pac-12. Hughes should get better, Alo-Wily looks like the goods, Fao is an absolute load and was very highly recruited coming out of high school. Dehdashtian was a former Reno commit and should add some depth. Not saying the defense will be considerably better but it really can't be much worse than it was last year. Would it really be that much worse if they gave up 300 yards a game on the ground? No offense to the former members of the defensive line that have graduated but would we be any better if they were back for another year. If we give up 293 yards a game on the ground or 310 per game is there really a difference when you are that bad? If we give up over 300 yards a game on the ground are people going to be clamoring for the glory days under Hauck when we only gave up 293?

Decker needs an offense where he has quicker shorter reads. I bet if you asked everybody here who watched the games they would agree, 3rd and any distance was a nightmare for the Rebels last year. We ran routes that were to slow developing, the blitz recognition and pickup was absolutely horrible. We are thin in numbers at WR but might actually be more talented this year overall. Remember we only had D. Davis for basically half the year. Boyd should get better and is probably one of the top 5 WRs in the conference already. Williams is a very steady performer. Keys has potential to be a top WR in the conference if he limits the drops. Both freshmen Woods and Presley are pushing for playing time and are as good or maybe an upgrade over any WRs we lost last year not named D.Davis.

Decker was very up and down last year. He had some great games (Vs Hawaii and Northern Illinois minus one bad interception) and some bad games notably vs BYU. If he has time he will be OK. If he doesn't then this year will look just like last year. Again we weren't very good on offense last year either so how much worse could it get this year? If we average 17 points a game this year nobody is going to be recalling the high powered run and gun offenses under Hauck.

Not one person on this site is delusional enough to believe this team is suddenly going to go from 2-10 to conference champs or bowl eligible year one. Everyone here understands we are undermanned, in the first year of a new coaching staff and playing a difficult schedule. Honestly we all know there are going to be bumps in the road and things are going to get tougher before they get better. So rather than do your normal point out the obvious (The defense is bad, question marks on the offensive line not enough local recruiting etc etc etc etc etc etc) Shine a little light of hope into our eyes with your vast football knowledge and point out any positives you may have seen at practice. Tell us about some walk on kids from Vegas you think are doing well.
 
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Great stuff but would also appreciate impressions on OLs.
Honestly I was focused more on the skill position guys and the defensive line today. For whatever reason didn't have pay enough attention to the offensive line guys today. I plan on trying to make another practice and will keep an eye on the offensive line next time.
 
I watched the O line. Polu, Neale, and walk on French almost look the part. They're huge kids that are strong. I watched Polu stop Sonny on the one on one drills. When Singer can play, he will be a stud. He (albeit with great effort) managed to stop Fao, who managed to treat almost anyone like they weren't there. Polu managed to stop Wily (on the second go around, but not the third) who made everyone else look like a speed bump. Neale might not be the best snapper, but he is a capable blocker. Neale is not as mean as Krietler, but I think that will come with time. The O line is definitely better coached. They can hold the pocket for almost as long as they need to. They aren't 100%, but the progress is being made. Offensive flaws will come from Decker, instead of the line collapsing.
 
The sports book is willing to take the bet for anyone who fully believes this team team can win more than two games.
As for Peterson, I would definitely be concerned if he was ripping up the defense as I feel he is a redshirt guy and his lack of experience at WR should make this a learning year for him. As for Thomas, to see a kid to go from solid high school back to looking like an All-American versus a college defense is a major question mark. Really, any time you see your defense giving up untouched runs to the end zone you should be concerned.
With the early quarterback struggles you have to take in the consideration this could be a 0 win season.
 
The sports books will take the bet at 2.5 games, according to you they will not win even two games, according to the books they will win at least 2 or more games. You asked us to look at the sports books for betting, and not a single book has UNLV at 0 wins (I guess you know more than any of the sports books). LUCY YOU HAVE SOME SPLANNING TO DO!

As for a QB struggle, Decker looks better than he did last year, and they won two games without any decent coaching. So where are the QB struggles? UNLV didn't really have anyone as a back up last year either!

UNLV has a more experienced coaching staff with the exception of Sanchez, but anything will be better than Hauck and his play calling. Wasn't Dante Davis injured due to a stupid late passing play that wasn't needed?

UNLV without question has a better running game. UNLV has nothing last year.

UNLV has better receivers. Dante Davis did not play for most of the season and never got back to his junior form. Devonte Boyd will only get better. Keys wills continue to get better, etc.

As for anything from the line last year, either due to coaching or lack of desire, they had a non-existent offensive and defensive line. Watching last season, where the team had given up, they did not really lose anything. As bad as they played, it couldn't get any worse.
 
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Rebel hit it on the head. The most important change is attitude. These kids WANT to play. This isn't saturday in the park for them anymore. Sanchez is bringing positive, realistic energy. He has never said he is going to go undefeated; rather he said that he is going to build something. I don't see short cuts. I don't see excuses. Those kids look like they would go to war for Sanchez.
 
I work in a sports book (off Strip) & am waiting to take your bet on the under 2.5 wins.. Come on Will.. Put your money where your mouth is.. You are talking all this jazz about how 0 wins is very probable..If not expected.. Well.. Bet the under & post it to the board.. Let's see how confident you are..
 
The sports book is willing to take the bet for anyone who fully believes this team team can win more than two games.
As for Peterson, I would definitely be concerned if he was ripping up the defense as I feel he is a redshirt guy and his lack of experience at WR should make this a learning year for him. As for Thomas, to see a kid to go from solid high school back to looking like an All-American versus a college defense is a major question mark. Really, any time you see your defense giving up untouched runs to the end zone you should be concerned.
With the early quarterback struggles you have to take in the consideration this could be a 0 win season.

Your buddy won what? 2 games a year for all but one lucky season? and most of this current roster was provided by him and his lack of even trying to recruit last year? I would rather struggle this year to win 1 game with a new HC who has a plan in place, than suffer through another 2 win season with Hauck and his jughead special team decisions etc.... You keep on rooting for his failure, and spraying on everyone's optimism. I will gladly struggle this year with Sanchez than another year and a hopeless future with Hauck.

PS: Was Tenpenny the only recruit/transfer you encouraged not to attend UNLV?
 
I'm more focused on the long term and undestand it will take time. I'm a Rebel and my main concern is UNLV, not interested in personal vendettas at the expense of my school. Even if I didn't like Sanchez I wouldn't want him to fail because it hurts my Univ.
 
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Rooting for failure or expressing an observation on a message board?

As for Tenpenny, the off the field issues I felt would make him a bad fit. My hope was that his status as a former Alabama player wouldn't influence the guys on the team into similar bad behavior.
 
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No one takes issue with your opinions or your observations. I am pretty sure everybody here actually likes open debate. The issue I take with how you deliver your observations is that you color them in a way that does not paint the entire picture. You slant certain stats and leave certain parts of stories out to prove a point.

A small example would be the early debate during recruiting season about local recruiting. You were vehement about how Sanchez wasted scholarships on players that he was finding 'under rocks' when there was similar talent here in Vegas. Again I will bring up Andrew Peterson and Lexington Thomas. You said the staff should have given that scholarship to Peterson. You went on to state the following, that Peterson was just as fast (not true) both are fast but Thomas 40 time is in fact better. You went on in other posts saying that you were concerned with Thomas' size. Again he is the same size as Andrew Peterson. You tore down Thomas' high school production when in fact is was very similar if not identical to that of Andrew Peterson.

Its not the observations. Its how you skew them. As excited as I am about what I see developing for the program I have concerns as well. We are heading into a brutal schedule with a lot of questions marks. That said there some bright spots out there as well. It would be nice if once in awhile you pointed out some under the radar kids that might help the team this year rather than point out the obvious deficiencies on this team we are all well aware of.

I would be more interested if you gave us a break down of all the local walk on kids and their potential then another monologue of doom and gloom and how this could be the end of the program.
 
Will lost all objectivity towards UNLV years ago with his brothers recruitment. The sad part now is it has turned into a full blown although veiled passive agressive agenda against anything UNLV football related if it's not one thing it's the next.

One would think if Will truly had Las Vegas football best interest at heart he would be happy as hell seeing a true emphasis on Las Vegas and especially the grass roots recruiting and development that Sanchez and company are building within the local community.
It makes me believe he either misrepresents his interests or he is not as engrained in the local football community as advertised or is part of some fringe part of the community that will never be satisfied with any effort or opportunity unless given full access or carte Blanche decision making based on their self perceived importance.
 
Rebelx with the same go to statement, so what is you opinions of the strengths and weaknesses of the UNLV football program?
Have an opinion on the changes on offense or defense?
What is your opinion of the likely win total?
What are your opinions looking ahead to 2016?
 
"I was asked in January about the idea by persons working with Tenpenny and I told them I didn't feel it was a good idea" this is what you said in another thread Will.
 
Being sought out by an associate for an opinion versus seeking to influence a decision are two different things.

Even with high school players in the state I have zero desire to influence their decision. I would love to see kids stay home and play but life decisions should be left to the individual along with their family.
 
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