CSU/USU suing MW over exit fees

[Bullmastiff 1]

If I watch football the same as the stock market I would be high on UTEP. Only OSU has a better recruitment ranking. UNLV and WSU were higher than them but, with the coaching changes we've dropped. We may have awakened a sleeping giant in UTEP just like UNLV has awakened. Just keep an eye on their attendance numbers once they join the MWC. The fans hated CUSA and they are thrilled to be joining the MWC.

That being said make sure you add my two seats in next years count as I didn't have season tickets this year. lol.

I agree on UTEP's potential.

 

[RebelinWA]

If I watch football the same as the stock market I would be high on UTEP. Only OSU has a better recruitment ranking. UNLV and WSU were higher than them but, with the coaching changes we've dropped. We may have awakened a sleeping giant in UTEP just like UNLV has awakened. Just keep an eye on their attendance numbers once they join the MWC. The fans hated CUSA and they are thrilled to be joining the MWC.

That being said make sure you add my two seats in next years count as I didn't have season tickets this year. lol.

I agree about Utep. They just need to win. They already have decent facilities and a couple of big boosters. The Hunt family are oil billionaires

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I would say their program is where the Hauck/ Sanchez era was. It would like an alternative history if UNLV had an on campus stadium built instead of allegiant.

 

[oneepstein]

I think which market at particular team does matter, but less than it ever has before. Previously, most conferences had their own "channel" and by getting a team located in a particular market that would expand the brand because that channel would be available by default and more games may be watched than before.

But that means little now. Most college games are available everywhere. Fewer people actually watch traditional cable and satellite than ever, so when they search "college football" on their boxes, adding a team to a market doesn't move the needle much at all.

What matters is how many fans watch these games on TV. Market does help in terms of potential to a certain extent, but there is enough historical data to show that SJSU does very little for that market. UNLV is the other side, with good (not great) crowds showing up for football. There is potential there. But is has come around slowly.

Which is why we have been left out. People think it was a stupid move or we were blocked by other jealous teams in the conference, but I don't believe it. Why snuff out a team that will increase your bottom line, when all of expansion has been 99% been about that.

Our historical data hasn't been good enough. Now if they would have waited and done it now, would we be there? More likely. For sure they would have rather had us than Utah State.

A very good point here, but first…

You say you think we were left out because basically we had sucked previously, but then say “why snuff out a team that will increase your bottom line when all of expansion has been 99% about that?”

So which is it? Did we suck and not meet their metrics or were we a team that would have increased their bottom line?

Personally, I think there were absolute feelings of superiority or fear of UNLV/Las Vegas that caused them to decide to not include UNLV in the first round of expansion. Trying to hide behind “metrics” was a stupid cover.

I’m positive their egos told them that this “bold” move was going to destroy the MW and they’d get UNLV and AFA anyway. Then they would be in the cool kids club as some sort of founding members and everyone else would be second class, including UNLV.

They’re also afraid of Las Vegas, because it would be the dominating city within the conference. Vegas makes too much sense as the hub for everything the conference does and it would eventually swallow up all your operations.

Total side note… in many posts, when talking about poaching penalties and exit fees, you make the argument that they’ll get settled for far less or thrown out completely. You’re a smart person, I’m sure there are smart people in the new PAC as well…

If they thought litigation was going to save them, then why not go for the whole kit and kaboodle right out of the gate? If it’s not going to cost anywhere near what it’s supposed to cost then why put yourself in the spot you’re now in?

What I do agree with you about is actual TV markets mattering less than they have, due to how games are consumed. Yes markets matter, but probably only more for awareness of a specific team within that market.

Sports betting proliferation probably has the biggest impact nowadays. So it’s very reliant on “branding”, which creates awareness and gets people to tune in.

The new PAC no doubt has the better teams and brands right now. The MW will never pass them in that regard. But they are too small and too regional. They’ll have too few opportunities on a weekly basis to convince the rest of the country to care. You think anyone outside the Pacific time zone is gonna care about SDSU vs CSU that much more than SJSU vs AFA, assuming none of them are ranked?

A merged MW/PAC would, as a brand, be far superior and would no doubt help the profiles of its best teams. It would be clear and away the best G5 in my opinion and would force the rest of the country to pay attention. I mean you’d basically own the west.

 

[rebelzzz]

I dont know wjy UNLV was left in the first four but i have 1 of 2 guesses. Either the PAC didnt want the news out until the teams announced the move and they knew the joke of the regents would ruin that with UNLV. Or because they thought that UNLV and UNR had to come together and they didnt want that peice of sh%$ school from up north as part of it.

 

[Masked_rebel]

I dont know wjy UNLV was left in the first four but i have 1 of 2 guesses. Either the PAC didnt want the news out until the teams announced the move and they knew the joke of the regents would ruin that with UNLV. Or because they thought that UNLV and UNR had to come together and they didnt want that peice of sh%$ school from up north as part of it.

Neither. Had to do woth Boise not wanting an up and coming football program to challenge them. Look at the league they built for themselves, full of mediocre programs in financial troubles without anyone really capable of challenging them for supremacy. Plain and simple they wanted to get to 8 schools and close the doors. Boise should go undefeated every season in that conference. They're a brand that's able to schedule an occasional good ooc game and that's all they need. Then they keep the extra 3 million from cfp qualification and continue the financial supremacy they enjoy in MWC due to sweetheart deal we gave them in 2012

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I dont know wjy UNLV was left in the first four but i have 1 of 2 guesses. Either the PAC didnt want the news out until the teams announced the move and they knew the joke of the regents would ruin that with UNLV. Or because they thought that UNLV and UNR had to come together and they didnt want that peice of sh%$ school from up north as part of it.

I think the keep things quiet part is right..

But it doesn't explain USU not getting an initial invite.

What I I think happened was, PAC was sure they could get Memphis & Tulane (Possibly UTSA as well) .

When that fell through they circled back to UNLV and USU as fallback option. Had Memphis and Tulane jumped UNLV and USU would have never been invited in my opinion.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

Neither. Had to do woth Boise not wanting an up and coming football program to challenge them. Look at the league they built for themselves, full of mediocre programs in financial troubles without anyone really capable of challenging them for supremacy. Plain and simple they wanted to get to 8 schools and close the doors. Boise should go undefeated every season in that conference. They're a brand that's able to schedule an occasional good ooc game and that's all they need. Then they keep the extra 3 million from cfp qualification and continue the financial supremacy they enjoy in MWC due to sweetheart deal we gave them in 2012

If all that is true I'm surprised boise let the zags share in the "media revenue" package. It would seem that boise and the zags gave a nice sucker punch to the other schools.

 

[bcvegaspt2]

If all that is true I'm surprised boise let the zags share in the "media revenue" package. It would seem that boise and the zags gave a nice sucker punch to the other schools.

Very self-centered deals for BSU and Gonzaga. Good point.

I stopped following after a while since nothing official became announced. Isn’t NIU (I think that’s the school) announcing their decision to join or decline MWC in January?

When is the pac announcing their tv deal? Any due date for that yet?

The middle two paragraphs weren’t directed at you, Meister, just asking the entire crowd in case these points are already known.

 

[Masked_rebel]

If all that is true I'm surprised boise let the zags share in the "media revenue" package. It would seem that boise and the zags gave a nice sucker punch to the other schools.

That was SDSU and an attempt to save face after AAC teams said no. They wanted a stronger conference basketball wise to insure they get at minimum an at large bid each year, and the 50% credits + full media rights was the carrot they had to dangle for Gonzaga. If our friend @Loyal Coug1 is correct, the original Pac 2 teams weren't happy about that addition. Those were the 2 schools driving the realignment bus, both created sweetheart deals to keep themselves financially ahead of the others.

 

[RebelinWA]

If all that is true I'm surprised boise let the zags share in the "media revenue" package. It would seem that boise and the zags gave a nice sucker punch to the other schools.

Its because none of the new schools have any voting rights until they officially “join”

 

[Meister_Rebel]

Its because none of the new schools have any voting rights until they officially “join”

So, the Pac two made the decision to how the revenue was going to be "shared"? I would think there was more to that.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

A very good point here, but first…

You’re a smart person, I’m sure there are smart people in the new PAC as well…

A merged MW/PAC would, as a brand, be far superior and would no doubt help the profiles of its best teams. It would be clear and away the best G5 in my opinion and would force the rest of the country to pay attention. I mean you’d basically own the west.

When is the pac announcing their tv deal? Any due date for that yet?
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the carrot they had to dangle for Gonzaga. If our friend @Loyal Coug1 is correct, the original Pac 2 teams weren't happy about that addition. Those were the 2 schools driving the realignment bus, both created sweetheart deals to keep themselves financially ahead of the others.

Its because none of the new schools have any voting rights until they officially “join”

So, the Pac two made the decision to how the revenue was going to be "shared"? I would think there was more to that.

Replies in order:
epstein - "I’m sure there are smart people in the new PAC as well". Well that makes one of you.
bcvegas - "When is the pac announcing their tv deal? Any due date for that yet?". I dunno. It would probably help if we actually had an FBS-qualified league, wouldn't it?
Masked - I think most if not many delusional Cougs (no idea what the Beavs think, they are all high on legal mushrooms there in Oregon) liked adding Gonzaga. Not this Coug. We sold out bigtime, and will rue the day. Gonzaga will keep all the coin they make on non-con games, then get to keep half of their NCAA BB allocations, then (I guess) share in whatever our pathetic FB media rights bring in? Boy what a sweet deal for the rest of the Pac.
Masked, in WA and Meister - I believe that the traitorous MW 5 have some voting rights. I thought that included new membership offers. IIRC, the Pac-2 held on to all rights in terms of keeping our dwindling windfall to ourselves. Which makes sense.

 

[RebelinWA]

https://www.usustats.com/goodies/contracts/UtahStatePAC12Contract.pdf

Here’s the contract. A good amount of it is redacted, and I don’t know if the other Mw schools got the same deal.

I got it wrong. They are required to participate in meetings, but they don’t have a vote until 2026; unless its for 1. granting the media rights deal 2.voting to add a members.