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Cooper Flagg NIL was $28MM

Absolutely insane

He would have been 56th on the higest paid annual salary in the NBA. Unreal.

This needs to change, what would it be like if there was no contracts in all professional sports? Where every player would be up to the highest bidder every year? Absolute choas.

At least Cooper Flagg actually had a true NIL, being in some national TV commercials. That is how it should be.
 
He would have been 56th on the higest paid annual salary in the NBA. Unreal.

This needs to change, what would it be like if there was no contracts in all professional sports? Where every player would be up to the highest bidder every year? Absolute choas.

At least Cooper Flagg actually had a true NIL, being in some national TV commercials. That is how it should be.
It doesn’t need to change. Keep college basketball like it is..
 
He would have been 56th on the higest paid annual salary in the NBA. Unreal.

This needs to change, what would it be like if there was no contracts in all professional sports? Where every player would be up to the highest bidder every year? Absolute choas.

At least Cooper Flagg actually had a true NIL, being in some national TV commercials. That is how it should be.
I agree at least it is more actual NIL. Yeah it is crazy no contracts to the highest bidder every year or two. And if there are contracts they can break them without absolutely no repercussions. Who the hell operates like that other than the NCAA?
 
The thing is, would his NIL package have been any different if he was at a different school besides Duke? Or did Duke secure the offers? IMO, the way the NIL should work is that the players that are most deserving of the money should get offers directly from companies or groups like Flagg did, but he's certainly at the very top tier of players.
 
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I agree. F it all. $28 million paid by Duke, the NCAAs longtime poster child for everything good and just in college athletics.🤣
It’s weird when you get older your tastes change.

We need to stop being the laughing joke of college basketball.

Pony up and play.

I haven’t followed the NBA like I used to.
Then I realized, these modern athletes don’t give a god damn crap about your feelings. They just want to get paid and call it a day. Maybe smile at you or get their autograph if you notice them outside their jerseys.

Pisses me off at what could have been.
 
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Absolutely insane

I mean, his 28 million were from actual NIL deals with Fanatics and New Balance--those are just endorsement deals and I kind of thought that was really what NIL was supposed to be. It's not like he got 28 million from Duke boosters to appear on the limited edition Duke Ketchup bottles or anything. He appears in commercials next to Shohei Ohtani and Tyrese Maxey.
 
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I mean, his 28 million were from actual NIL deals with Fanatics and New Balance--those are just endorsement deals and I kind of thought that was really what NIL was supposed to be. It's not like he got 28 million from Duke boosters to appear on the limited edition Duke Ketchup bottles or anything. He appears in commercials next to Shohei Ohtani and Tyrese Maxey.
Yes I realize that but the amount for one college player is incredible no matter what the source is. As pointed above he made more than Patrick Mahomes who is more accomplished Mahomes or Flagg?
 
Yes I realize that but the amount for one college player is incredible no matter what the source is. As pointed above he made more than Patrick Mahomes who is more accomplished Mahomes or Flagg?
So, we don't know for how many years the New Balance or Fanatics contracts are for, but they're almost assuredly not 1 year deals and neither have had they're length publicly released. You're comparing that to what Mahomesat makes per year on endorsements. Yes, if Flagg was making 28 million a year then I'd be right there with you--but it would mean that New Balance was paying him more than their next 5 highest paid athletes (Ohtani, Maxey, Murray, Saka, and Kawhi) combined. Of course that doesn't make sense because it's not how anything is actually set up with apparel brands. It's probably for a 10 year + contract with a custom shoe line and some back end on merchandising.
 
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So, we don't know for how many years the New Balance or Fanatics contracts are for, but they're almost assuredly not 1 year deals and neither have had they're length publicly released. You're comparing that to what Mahomesat makes per year on endorsements. Yes, if Flagg was making 28 million a year then I'd be right there with you--but it would mean that New Balance was paying him more than their next 5 highest paid athletes (Ohtani, Maxey, Murray, Saka, and Kawhi) combined. Of course that doesn't make sense because it's not how anything is actually set up with apparel brands. It's probably for a 10 year + contract with a custom shoe line and some back end on merchandising.
New Balance shoes are excellent. American Company.I bought some nice walking shoes when I worked Valet. Extra cushions.

I might buy their basketball shoes as Kawhi Leonard is the first NBA pro to be sponsored by them.

F Nike.
 
So, we don't know for how many years the New Balance or Fanatics contracts are for, but they're almost assuredly not 1 year deals and neither have had they're length publicly released. You're comparing that to what Mahomesat makes per year on endorsements. Yes, if Flagg was making 28 million a year then I'd be right there with you--but it would mean that New Balance was paying him more than their next 5 highest paid athletes (Ohtani, Maxey, Murray, Saka, and Kawhi) combined. Of course that doesn't make sense because it's not how anything is actually set up with apparel brands. It's probably for a 10 year + contract with a custom shoe line and some back end on merchandising.
The article said he cleared $28MM in one year between two contracts primarily.
 
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The article said he cleared $28MM in one year between two contracts primarily.
That's what Howard says, but then goes on to say 'he had a 13 million dollar deal with New Balance, and a 15 million dollar deal with with Fanatics', but those are the overall values of the deals. In fact, if you finish reading the same article the very next paragraph says:

Here's the thing -- Howard's reported total is likely Flagg's NIL contracts in totality and not an annual payment. ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski previously reported Flagg's New Balance agreement was "significant." These are often multiyear contracts between incoming rookies and sneaker companies.

But if you don't want to read that article here are some others:


The massive multi-year deal negotiated by CAA is expected to include one NIL year during his expected lone collegiate season, as well as multiple NBA seasons as he begins his much-anticipated pro career


His contract is reportedly five years in length, with the first year being paid out solely in NIL and the following four years resembling an endorsement deal similar to contracts that star basketball players attain.


Fanatics and Fanatics Collectibles announced on Friday an exclusive, multi-year deal with Duke basketball standout Cooper Flagg, who is widely expected to be the No. 1 pick in the 2025 NBA Draft.
 
That's what Howard says, but then goes on to say 'he had a 13 million dollar deal with New Balance, and a 15 million dollar deal with with Fanatics', but those are the overall values of the deals. In fact, if you finish reading the same article the very next paragraph says:

Here's the thing -- Howard's reported total is likely Flagg's NIL contracts in totality and not an annual payment. ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski previously reported Flagg's New Balance agreement was "significant." These are often multiyear contracts between incoming rookies and sneaker companies.

But if you don't want to read that article here are some others:


The massive multi-year deal negotiated by CAA is expected to include one NIL year during his expected lone collegiate season, as well as multiple NBA seasons as he begins his much-anticipated pro career


His contract is reportedly five years in length, with the first year being paid out solely in NIL and the following four years resembling an endorsement deal similar to contracts that star basketball players attain.


Fanatics and Fanatics Collectibles announced on Friday an exclusive, multi-year deal with Duke basketball standout Cooper Flagg, who is widely expected to be the No. 1 pick in the 2025 NBA Draft.
If it truly isn’t one year then it isn’t as crazy
 
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I think Duke paid him at least 5 mil for last season. At least that was the estimate.

He was also in commercials other than New Balance/Fanatics last season. Could he have cleared 28 million in just last season? Probably not, but it looks like he was able to secure more than 28 million from last season however you want to look at it.
 
Winning and losing on the court doesn’t matter anymore.

Winning and losing in the wallet is how people measure success.
Honestly, this is one case were I think it actually makes a ton of sense.

Cooper Flagg was going to be the first overall pick in the draft barring a major injury.

The bulk of the reported money were true endorsement deals. Locking into a multiyear deal makes sense for both sides there.

5 million or so from Duke NIL? STill a lot of money, but a player like Flagg will give you team more attention, even for a place like Duke that already gets attention. But there will a ton of NBA fans that tune in just to watch the next big thing.

But this is the exception where I think everything actually makes some level of sense, you can see some level of ROI
 
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What I hope is that with players like Shedeur Sanders and Quinn Ewers both making significantly less in the NFL than they would in college is a sign of player's true value is and maybe it can reduce some of the ridiculousness? The current climate seems unsustainable. There is zero ROI for most of these players and worse off fewer if any tax breaks.
 
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What I hope is that with players like Shedeur Sanders and Quinn Ewers both making significantly less in the NFL than they would in college is a sign of player's true value is and maybe it can reduce some of the ridiculousness? The current climate seems unsustainable. There is zero ROI for most of these players and worse off fewer if any tax breaks.
Which is why I see the future of recruiting to be less and less on high school kids and more on value based transfer or high end pricey transfers. Why pay a bunch of money to a HS kid at our level just for him to transfer in the offseason. Valuable scholarships and NIL funds going to someone who likely doesnt contribute more than 10 minutes per game.
 
Which is why I see the future of recruiting to be less and less on high school kids and more on value based transfer or high end pricey transfers. Why pay a bunch of money to a HS kid at our level just for him to transfer in the offseason. Valuable scholarships and NIL funds going to someone who likely doesnt contribute more than 10 minutes per game.
Make him sign a 4 year contract.
 
Make him sign a 4 year contract.
I don't see how this can proceed without some sort of contract. Right now it is bananas.

That and/or bring back some sort of transfer restrictions. Perhaps with a player protection clause. If a player gets "cut" they can transfer for free, but can retain some guaranteed money from the contract.

College sports is professional sports. No other professional sport allows every player to be a free agent every offseason. This is chaos.
 
Make him sign a 4 year contract.
Why? Who administers it, whats the penalty for not keeping it... Its basically what the old system used to be.. and now, Who is going to sign a 4 year contract when they can go elsewhere and not have to...
These kids wanted to get paid, coming out of HS, they're now going to learn the hard way that you're no longer a valuable commodity unless you're one of those few elites like Flagg was... as a G5 mid-major, we should be acting like money ball.... Look for the undervalued players that were high talent coming out of HS but didnt perform well at first or second stops and then add maybe 1 or 2 dynamic high priced players...
 
Why? Who administers it, whats the penalty for not keeping it... Its basically what the old system used to be.. and now, Who is going to sign a 4 year contract when they can go elsewhere and not have to...
These kids wanted to get paid, coming out of HS, they're now going to learn the hard way that you're no longer a valuable commodity unless you're one of those few elites like Flagg was... as a G5 mid-major, we should be acting like money ball.... Look for the undervalued players that were high talent coming out of HS but didnt perform well at first or second stops and then add maybe 1 or 2 dynamic high priced players...
It's a contract between two adults. It's administered the same as any contract. If they are 18 they will be held responsible for the contract as long as they have the capacity to understand it. If they can't understand then a co-signer will be necessary.
 
It's a contract between two adults. It's administered the same as any contract. If they are 18 they will be held responsible for the contract as long as they have the capacity to understand it. If they can't understand then a co-signer will be necessary.
So there will be a union for college players? Will there be collective bargaining? What if the school doesn't meet their end? How about a coach changes jobs does that make the kids contract null? and then who determines if they were responsible and upheld their end of the contract? Like a 5 star doesn't average 10/10/4 and gets benched, does he have to pay penalties as part of the contract? What about performance bonuses? Do they get PTO and sick leave? You see where that goes... its not simply "put a contract and make them sign"...
 
So there will be a union for college players? Will there be collective bargaining? What if the school doesn't meet their end? How about a coach changes jobs does that make the kids contract null? and then who determines if they were responsible and upheld their end of the contract? Like a 5 star doesn't average 10/10/4 and gets benched, does he have to pay penalties as part of the contract? What about performance bonuses? Do they get PTO and sick leave? You see where that goes... its not simply "put a contract and make them sign"...
I went back and looked and I can't see where a Union was mentioned. Or collective bargaining. You word a contract properly and then have two parties sign it and abide by it. This is done all time. In fact, for a low estimate, there are more than 15 million employment contracts active in the U.S. at any given time. You want bonuses - put them in. Guaranteed PT - put it in. Penalties - put them in. If both parties sign then so be it. And if one side doesn't fulfil - the other side sues.
 
So there will be a union for college players? Will there be collective bargaining? What if the school doesn't meet their end? How about a coach changes jobs does that make the kids contract null? and then who determines if they were responsible and upheld their end of the contract? Like a 5 star doesn't average 10/10/4 and gets benched, does he have to pay penalties as part of the contract? What about performance bonuses? Do they get PTO and sick leave? You see where that goes... its not simply "put a contract and make them sign"...
All of this can be covered in the contract pro contracts are incredibly specific and detailed in what things they are and aren’t allowed to do. They can potentially null their contract. You can get people to sign contracts because not everyone is a superstar and you’ll get players to sign contracts who turned out better than expected. Plus, if enough schools offer contracts, then their choices will be limited to find those who don’t.
 
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All of this can be covered in the contract pro contracts are incredibly specific and detailed in what things they are and aren’t allowed to do. They can potentially null their contract. You can get people to sign contracts because not everyone is a superstar and you’ll get players to sign contracts who turned out better than expected. Plus, if enough schools offer contracts, then their choices will be limited to find those who don’t.
Except there's 0 incentive for either group to offer contracts. That's why the free portal exists. You used to have a "contract" where you were penalized for not staying 4 years at the university you chose. Schools and players both decided it's far easier to be free to come and go and pay whatever they want or ask players to go... the contract would protect the school/NIL collectives more than a player and you'd be hard pressed to find either willing to sign away their ability to do what's best for themselves.
And the last thing we need is more lawyers litigating NIL and college contracts
 
Except there's 0 incentive for either group to offer contracts. That's why the free portal exists. You used to have a "contract" where you were penalized for not staying 4 years at the university you chose. Schools and players both decided it's far easier to be free to come and go and pay whatever they want or ask players to go... the contract would protect the school/NIL collectives more than a player and you'd be hard pressed to find either willing to sign away their ability to do what's best for themselves.
And the last thing we need is more lawyers litigating NIL and college contracts
Arkansas has instructed its collective to go after a player for not living up to the terms of his contract. If a number of colleges take the same stance, and many will as they start to not fulfill the terms of the agreement, the players won't have a choice. And many players will take the guaranteed money of a contract and they will agree to sign and the school will benefit in cases where the players turns out better than the contract, but now is unable to transfer because of the contract.
 
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