2020 Recruiting Class

[RebNReno]

I guess this was somewhat expected but I hate hearing we’re not signing guys early. Maybe he doesn’t like the Sanchez recruits but it seemed like a good starting point for a class of all 3 star guys.


“That UNLV has not scheduled a signing announcement is telling because the early period has become the top priority for most schools.”

“Though the class has held firm in its commitment to the Rebels, Arroyo might not sign more than three players during the early period, and he might not sign any at all. His focus is primarily on the late signing period, which begins Feb. 5.”

 

[LINEBACKER_U]

This is why he should not be coaching Oregon. He has a lot of freaking work to do and not a lot of time to do it.

 

[LINEBACKER_U]

Priority number one should have been holding this recruiting class together.

 

[Rebelbacker]

Priority number one should have been holding this recruiting class together.

Starting Monday December 16th it is now a recruiting dead period. The last day to talk to recruits was Sunday and he did talk to some. First thing he needs to do is get a staff in place.

IMO this isn't a huge deal because he's going to have to load up on grad transfers, especially on defense, in this class. Plus we don't know if he has his own recruits he's been on or coaches he's hiring have been on. Basically we don't know much on how he wants to do this.

What we do know is he is a very good recruiter and first classes are notoriously hard to fill. I'm going to reserve judgement to see who we sign tomorrow then in Feb.

A little known fact is that this is a time of year because of the dead period that many coaches go on vacation. Not a lot happens during this time.

 

[220reb]

6 of the 11 are California kids. I'm sure he doesn't want to burn any Bridges by letting them all go. Plus we have 3 kids from the same school so I believe it's a package deal. The first year recruiting class is always tough. You'll probably wind up taking some kids from the previous staff. I think he may get some recruits from the transfer portal.

 

[Buffel]

Not sure how many scholarships are available. He may think he can recruit over current commitments. He may also turn a few of his Oregon recruits to come to UNLV.

 

[LINEBACKER_U]

Starting Monday December 16th it is now a recruiting dead period. The last day to talk to recruits was Sunday and he did talk to some. First thing he needs to do is get a staff in place.

IMO this isn't a huge deal because he's going to have to load up on grad transfers, especially on defense, in this class. Plus we don't know if he has his own recruits he's been on or coaches he's hiring have been on. Basically we don't know much on how he wants to do this.

What we do know is he is a very good recruiter and first classes are notoriously hard to fill. I'm going to reserve judgement to see who we sign tomorrow then in Feb.

A little known fact is that this is a time of year because of the dead period that many coaches go on vacation. Not a lot happens during this time.

Every college coach in the country is burning up the phone lines right now trying to flip recruits or hold on to recruits. Nobody goes on vacation in the last days before signing day.

 

[RebNReno]

So he didn’t even call these local kids who thought they were going to be Rebels?


“Two Las Vegas locals appear to be on the outs. Chaparral linebacker Iopu Tauiliili committed to UNLV in August and expected to sign his letter of intent today, but on Tuesday his high school coach, Don Willis, told the Sun that Tauiliili had not heard from Arroyo. The same holds true for Arbor View defensive tackle Tai Tuinei, who also hasn't been contacted by Arroyo.

Tauiliili and Tuinei are 3-star prospects, according to 247Sports.”

 

[RebNReno]

I hope the report from the Sun isn’t true. I know the Rose Bowl is his priority number one but WTF, seriously you didn’t have the time to call these home town kids and at least let them know what’s going on with their scholarships and their futures. Not a good look in my opinion.

 

[LocoRebel]

Priority number one should have been holding this recruiting class together.

That's only priority number one if he likes the talent coming in. If he doesn't like the talent coming in, or he doesn't see what he wants to in them, why would he keep them together?


A group of 3* guys would be great, but how many of our 3* guys in the Sanchez era were contributors? Javin White was a 2* kid and probably the best defensive player to come out of the program in the Sanchez era.


Point being I would rather him get his own guys. Guys he is comfortable with and fill roles he actually feels are needed.

Edit: That's not to say these guys aren't the guys... but he's gotta make that determination.

 

[Rebel1986]

A handful of the recruits under Sanchez are at a level that you want to sign them, but the majority of the recruits listed had offers only from lower division level programs or no other offers. 247 as a tendency to list almost every player as a 3* recruit. If you compare UNLV recruiting to other programs, you will see that the class was currently ranked 118th. They had average recruit rankings below programs like Princeton, UAB, UTSA, Liberty, etc. While Sanchez did have some good classes in the past, if you remove the three players from Junipero Serra, then the class really doesn't look good at all. Getting those three signed and maybe a few others is a priority, but getting the entire class shouldn't be a priority. The two local kids had no other offers from what I can see, Several other recruits had no offers, one player had a single offer from another school which was Northwestern State; another had offers from schools like Montana State, Idaho, Morgan State. I don't see a reason to make it a priority to sign players who have few if any other offers just because Coach Sanchez had made them an offer. I was also really confused when an offer was accepted by the player out of Alaska only a couple of weeks ago when he must have known the coach was gone.

 

[WarthogRebel]

That's only priority number one if he likes the talent coming in. If he doesn't like the talent coming in, or he doesn't see what he wants to in them, why would he keep them together?


A group of 3* guys would be great, but how many of our 3* guys in the Sanchez era were contributors? Javin White was a 2* kid and probably the best defensive player to come out of the program in the Sanchez era.


Point being I would rather him get his own guys. Guys he is comfortable with and fill roles he actually feels are needed.

Edit: That's not to say these guys aren't the guys... but he's gotta make that determination.

"That's only priority number one if he likes the talent coming in. If he doesn't like the talent coming in, or he doesn't see what he wants to in them, why would he keep them together?"

Exactly.

UNLV's problem for 20 years has been lack of talent. If the new coach thinks he can do better than the past coach I'm all for it. I'm sick of having half a roster full of kids who only chose us because we were their only true FBS offer.

There were only 11 recruits. He's had plenty of time to examine them and see if they are what he needs to go the direction he wants.

Sometimes this board is just crazy. We whine for years about getting more talent. Then when a new coach makes a move to get better we wet ourselves.

 

[Rebelbacker]

Every college coach in the country is burning up the phone lines right now trying to flip recruits or hold on to recruits. Nobody goes on vacation in the last days before signing day.

No they aren't. It is a recruiting dead period right now and has been since Monday. If they talk to a recruit they are committing a violation.

You obviously have no idea what the dead period means since you completely have everything in your post wrong.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

So he didn’t even call these local kids who thought they were going to be Rebels?


“Two Las Vegas locals appear to be on the outs. Chaparral linebacker Iopu Tauiliili committed to UNLV in August and expected to sign his letter of intent today, but on Tuesday his high school coach, Don Willis, told the Sun that Tauiliili had not heard from Arroyo. The same holds true for Arbor View defensive tackle Tai Tuinei, who also hasn't been contacted by Arroyo.

Tauiliili and Tuinei are 3-star prospects, according to 247Sports.”

Not saying Tai isn't a three * prospect or good player but according to 247 UNLV is his only offer. It's rare a single offer especially from UNLV gets you a 3* grade. Usually takes multiple offers. Iopu had interest but no other offers, according to 247.

Obviously want to keep the best locals home when possible.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Every college coach in the country is burning up the phone lines right now trying to flip recruits or hold on to recruits. Nobody goes on vacation in the last days before signing day.

Dead period.

 

[RebNReno]

Not saying Tai isn't a three * prospect or good player but according to 247 UNLV is his only offer. It's rare a single offer especially from UNLV gets you a 3* grade. Usually takes multiple offers. Iopu had interest but no other offers, according to 247.

Obviously want to keep the best locals home when possible.

Yeah, I'm glad Coach believes he can recruit at a higher level. I don't have any issue with him not taking all the Sanchez guys. My concern was he didn't have 3 minutes available to call these local kids.
I just think you should let a kid know if you pulled his offer and not leave him in the dark on national signing day. That's just my opinion but I know it's cutthroat out there.

 

[LocoRebel]

Yeah, I'm glad Coach believes he can recruit at a higher level. I don't have any issue with him not taking all the Sanchez guys. My concern was he didn't have 3 minutes available to call these local kids.
I just think you should let a kid know if you pulled his offer and not leave him in the dark on national signing day. That's just my opinion but I know it's cutthroat out there.

That much I 100% agree with. If I'm Arroyo, that's a 11 15-20 minute phone calls getting to know these kids and mentioning that he is rescinding the offer for the time being to assess all commits and prospects

Feel bad for the kids who expected honored commitments... but that's how things go sometimes.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Yeah, I'm glad Coach believes he can recruit at a higher level. I don't have any issue with him not taking all the Sanchez guys. My concern was he didn't have 3 minutes available to call these local kids.
I just think you should let a kid know if you pulled his offer and not leave him in the dark on national signing day. That's just my opinion but I know it's cutthroat out there.

Agree on the phone call part.

 

[rebel5280]

What about Brumfield and the two WR's that are with him, did he contact them at least or are they not good?

 

[LINEBACKER_U]

Guys... Dead period means no in person contact.
Trust me head coaches, assistant coaches, recruiting coordinators etc were working overdrive in the days leading up to signing day. Meanwhile our guy is leaving our class wondering what just happened.

 

[LINEBACKER_U]

The problem with our situation now is that most players sign on early signing day-today. Now we have to find a full class to sign in February. That will require a heroic amount of hustle which I'm not seeing right now from arroyo.

 

[LINEBACKER_U]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...CBAB&usg=AOvVaw0pqi1-gOJb0qbUqHAiSF7n&ampcf=1

For those confused about what dead period means.

 

[Rebelbacker]

Guys... Dead period means no in person contact.
Trust me head coaches, assistant coaches, recruiting coordinators etc were working overdrive in the days leading up to signing day. Meanwhile our guy is leaving our class wondering what just happened.

No one said they weren't working or going on vacation prior to signing day. After signing day is when coaches not in bowl games take a week off on most staffs.

 

[LINEBACKER_U]

No they aren't. It is a recruiting dead period right now and has been since Monday. If they talk to a recruit they are committing a violation.

You obviously have no idea what the dead period means since you completely have everything in your post wrong.

Lol dude..
1. Everyone recruits during the dead period.
2. If they talk to a recruit they are NOT committing a violation.
3. I know exactly what"dead period"means. I linked an article so that you can understand too.
4. Everything in my post was correct.

 

[LocoRebel]

Gonn keep myself out of most of that dialogue, but for clarity, let's just NCAA directly:

http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/resources/recruiting-calendars

During a dead period a college coach may not have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, and may not watch student-athletes compete or visit their high schools. Coaches may write and telephone student-athletes or their parents during a dead period.

I hope CMA is writing letters

 

[RebNReno]

What about Brumfield and the two WR's that are with him, did he contact them at least or are they not good?

Brumfield is on board and CMA wants him. Apparently Doug was the only current recruit Coach Arroyo met with and coach didn't want to sign an early class of just one guy.

FYI the tweet i saw was quickly deleted so I may be passing on semi-true/semi-false info.

 

[rebneck]

Other than Nelson, the OL out of Visalia, the three J Serra kids are the only 3* commits we have, according to Rivals. The rest are 2*.

If there's something we can all agree on, I think, it's that the Rebels were usually the second-fastest team on the field. We know that Oregon usually has very good speed, and that can make up for plenty of mistakes a player may make. Conversely, a kid can play something just right and get defeated by speed. Sure, having an empty early signing period makes me a little nervous, but I trust CMA to bring in some speed and athletes.

 

[Rebel1986]

I agree that there are only about 3-5 players in the currently recruited class that will be likely kept by the new coach. Out of the 11 commits, the first few were good recruits, but the later recruits appeared to me to be marginal at best.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I agree that there are only about 3-5 players in the currently recruited class that will be likely kept by the new coach. Out of the 11 commits, the first few were good recruits, but the later recruits appeared to me to be marginal at best.

Agree.

Rankings are extremely subjective, especially after the top 100 or so..

There were a number of 3* grades handed to guys with UNLV being their only offer.

Bo knock on them. Maybe Sanchez and company got in early on some guys, but you typically don't see 3* ratings handed out with a single G5 offer..

 

[LINEBACKER_U]

Agree that offer list is a great way to determine how good a guy is. Especially since tape of lower ranked players isn't really available to us as fans

 

[willlevi]

Agree that offer list is a great way to determine how good a guy is. Especially since tape of lower ranked players isn't really available to us as fans

The problem with the offer list is that many players don't actually have confirmed offers which can be misleading.
Stats, film, combine numbers and track results provide a better indication of actual ability.

 

[220reb]

The problem with the offer list is that many players don't actually have confirmed offers which can be misleading.
Stats, film, combine numbers and track results provide a better indication of actual ability.

Sounds like 24/7 Sports needs to do a better job of tracking kids. And I would be willing to bet it's incredibly tough but maybe they should change the formula for the the rating system. If you tell me a kid is a 3-star I'm going to believe that he is. But I also remember somehow Armani Rogers got rated a 3 or 4 star dual-threat quarterback. And obviously that wasn't the case.

 

[LINEBACKER_U]

Another problem is it there's a big difference between a low three star and a high 3 star. As unlv fans it's a lot harder to judge recruits because frankly our guys don't get scouted nationally.

 

[BleedRebelRed90]

Brumfield is on board and CMA wants him. Apparently Doug was the only current recruit Coach Arroyo met with and coach didn't want to sign an early class of just one guy.

FYI the tweet i saw was quickly deleted so I may be passing on semi-true/semi-false info.

Oregon had given UNLV commit (and Brumfield's current teammate) Ron Gilliam a scholarship offer, so Arroyo most likely has had contact with him previously.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Sounds like 24/7 Sports needs to do a better job of tracking kids. And I would be willing to bet it's incredibly tough but maybe they should change the formula for the the rating system. If you tell me a kid is a 3-star I'm going to believe that he is. But I also remember somehow Armani Rogers got rated a 3 or 4 star dual-threat quarterback. And obviously that wasn't the case.

Couple things about the ratings.

They are built somewhat on what they believe a player will be in 3-4 years.

Basketball example Dwayne Morgan. He had all the size, athleticism you could want in a player. You see him as a 17-18 year old HS player and think, if this dude improves his shooting or ball handling he's going to be a force...Obviously those things never really happened. He flashed at times, but was never consistent. Similar to Armani. If he ever developed even a little as a passer he would have been one of the more impactful players in the MWC. He hasn't though, but he definitely looked the part...

Ratings are so subjective. I tend to look at other offers a player gets. If its us and some FCS programs, I'm more reserved in expectations. If its us and a few more MWC conference schools and maybe a low end P5, I tend to expect that playr to be more impactful.

247 seems to be handing out 3* grades like candy...

 

[Rebel1986]

the problem is when you hand out candy, there is the candy you hand out that nobody wants and the candy that people come back to get seconds of during Halloween!

 

[220reb]

So you're saying that there's different levels to the rating system. I never knew there was such a thing as a high three star and a low three star. As I said previously the formula needs to be changed. If a kid gets a 3-star rating I'm expecting him to be a three-star. I can understand ratings are subjective so I've always depended on the coaching staff for their opinion. I believe our new coach is a very good evaluator of talent. I'm expecting his recruiting classes to be in the upper echelon of the conference every year. A large investment has been made into football at this University. The new coach is supposed to be the centerpiece. His first recruiting class should set some kind of tone for what his tenure here will be.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

So you're saying that there's different levels to the rating system. I never knew there was such a thing as a high three star and a low three star. As I said previously the formula needs to be changed. If a kid gets a 3-star rating I'm expecting him to be a three-star. I can understand ratings are subjective so I've always depended on the coaching staff for their opinion. I believe our new coach is a very good evaluator of talent. I'm expecting his recruiting classes to be in the upper echelon of the conference every year. A large investment has been made into football at this University. The new coach is supposed to be the centerpiece. His first recruiting class should set some kind of tone for what his tenure here will be.

I guess an easier way to put it would be.

The further you get away from the 'can't miss' prospects, the more muddled it becomes.

If UNLV is recruiting a player you would like to see other schools offering as well. Some guys fly under the radar. They don't attend camps, play in smaller towns etc.

But that's becoming a little less common with all the HUDL tape and camps, social media etc. Guys are getting seen more and more.

 

[willlevi]

I guess an easier way to put it would be.

The further you get away from the 'can't miss' prospects, the more muddled it becomes.

If UNLV is recruiting a player you would like to see other schools offering as well. Some guys fly under the radar. They don't attend camps, play in smaller towns etc.

Unlike the Texas, Southern states & Midwest states, the West Coast has a smaller pool of colleges. Major offers are a good baseline on prospects but the lack of offers isn't a true gauge of lack of talent.
A good talent evaluator doesn't need an offer map to find prospects.

 

[rebneck]

... Some guys fly under the radar. They don't attend camps, play in smaller towns etc.

Leighton Vander Esch's story is well known. Matt Paradis was also a walk-on at BSU after playing 8-man hs football, eventually earning a schollie. He's had a pretty good NFL career, so far. So, you never know where you're gonna find that next diamond in the rough. In fact, guys who've had all the advantages probably are closer to their ceilings than the guys who've been bench pressing trailer axles while lying on a split log in their "weight room".