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The Gang that could Not Shoot Straight, Tarkanian, Maxson

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There is no connection between the three topics.

1. I like this team because they play hard and hustle. It would be nice if they could win more games! Their hustle is the primary reason they do so well on the offensive boards. That and the fact that they miss so many shots. I would like to think that shooting is something that can improve. Hustle is more innate, you either bring it to the table or not. Certainly the free throw shooting has improved. That gives me hope.

Actually there is a connection between the first topic and Tarkanian. I think those of us who were rebel fans during the glory days got very, very spoiled by the success of Tarkanian. This makes it doubly or triply hard to abide the fall from grace since those heady days.

2. There is no disputing that Tarkanian was an exceptionally successful basketball coach. You could argue, based on the fact that he built a dynasty at a no name school in the middle of no where, that he was the best college coach ever. Leaving that argument aside, I have often wondered what his genius was. Did he see talent in players that other coaches missed? Was he able to get players to play at a level higher than other coaches? Was he a great tactician? Did the rapport he was able to establish with players what set him apart? Was it something else or all of the above? If anyone has any insight into this question please share it.

3. UNLV is only going to survive as a major player in athletics if it can join one of the P5 conferences. Reaching Tier 1 status is an important step in that direction. A necessary step but unfortunately not a sufficient step. The new stadium and the dynamism of Las Vegas, are other pluses. The move up to Tier 1 is partially based on the number of doctorate degrees awarded and research grants received. The development of those two areas was only possible because of the decision made during Maxson's reign to push the regents to allow UNLV to offer PhD programs.

Before that push, there was implicit agreement that UNR was the research PhD granting institution in Nevada. When Maxson got PhD's in Biology and English approved, the floodgates opened for more PhD programs to follow. Without that foresight and impetus, UNLV would never have been able to reach Tier 1 status. Many other people, since that time, have helped in this quest, but it started while Maxson was president and he deserves a modicum of credit for the outcome -- Tier 1 status.
 
There is no connection between the three topics.

1. I like this team because they play hard and hustle. It would be nice if they could win more games! Their hustle is the primary reason they do so well on the offensive boards. That and the fact that they miss so many shots. I would like to think that shooting is something that can improve. Hustle is more innate, you either bring it to the table or not. Certainly the free throw shooting has improved. That gives me hope.

Actually there is a connection between the first topic and Tarkanian. I think those of us who were rebel fans during the glory days got very, very spoiled by the success of Tarkanian. This makes it doubly or triply hard to abide the fall from grace since those heady days.

2. There is no disputing that Tarkanian was an exceptionally successful basketball coach. You could argue, based on the fact that he built a dynasty at a no name school in the middle of no where, that he was the best college coach ever. Leaving that argument aside, I have often wondered what his genius was. Did he see talent in players that other coaches missed? Was he able to get players to play at a level higher than other coaches? Was he a great tactician? Did the rapport he was able to establish with players what set him apart? Was it something else or all of the above? If anyone has any insight into this question please share it.

3. UNLV is only going to survive as a major player in athletics if it can join one of the P5 conferences. Reaching Tier 1 status is an important step in that direction. A necessary step but unfortunately not a sufficient step. The new stadium and the dynamism of Las Vegas, are other pluses. The move up to Tier 1 is partially based on the number of doctorate degrees awarded and research grants received. The development of those two areas was only possible because of the decision made during Maxson's reign to push the regents to allow UNLV to offer PhD programs.

Before that push, there was implicit agreement that UNR was the research PhD granting institution in Nevada. When Maxson got PhD's in Biology and English approved, the floodgates opened for more PhD programs to follow. Without that foresight and impetus, UNLV would never have been able to reach Tier 1 status. Many other people, since that time, have helped in this quest, but it started while Maxson was president and he deserves a modicum of credit for the outcome -- Tier 1 status.
All Hail Maxson the Savior!

He sucked.

While we are at it, let’s give Chub some credit for the national championship too.
 
how can you bring up that assholes name on a UNLV basketball thread?
He’s the reason UNLV will be power 5. We should erect a large statue on campus for the visionary. One that towers over and casts a shadow on Tark’s.

It can be argued that if Maxson left well enough alone, UNLV would have been on a much quicker track to P5 because the continued cash cow gaining steam instead of Maxson killing the program and forcing UNLV to exhaust the vast reserves to the point where they’ve been running on fumes for over a decade.

The only credit that guy deserves is being adequate plant food when the time comes.
 
There is no connection between the three topics.

1. I like this team because they play hard and hustle. It would be nice if they could win more games! Their hustle is the primary reason they do so well on the offensive boards. That and the fact that they miss so many shots. I would like to think that shooting is something that can improve. Hustle is more innate, you either bring it to the table or not. Certainly the free throw shooting has improved. That gives me hope.

Actually there is a connection between the first topic and Tarkanian. I think those of us who were rebel fans during the glory days got very, very spoiled by the success of Tarkanian. This makes it doubly or triply hard to abide the fall from grace since those heady days.

2. There is no disputing that Tarkanian was an exceptionally successful basketball coach. You could argue, based on the fact that he built a dynasty at a no name school in the middle of no where, that he was the best college coach ever. Leaving that argument aside, I have often wondered what his genius was. Did he see talent in players that other coaches missed? Was he able to get players to play at a level higher than other coaches? Was he a great tactician? Did the rapport he was able to establish with players what set him apart? Was it something else or all of the above? If anyone has any insight into this question please share it.

3. UNLV is only going to survive as a major player in athletics if it can join one of the P5 conferences. Reaching Tier 1 status is an important step in that direction. A necessary step but unfortunately not a sufficient step. The new stadium and the dynamism of Las Vegas, are other pluses. The move up to Tier 1 is partially based on the number of doctorate degrees awarded and research grants received. The development of those two areas was only possible because of the decision made during Maxson's reign to push the regents to allow UNLV to offer PhD programs.

Before that push, there was implicit agreement that UNR was the research PhD granting institution in Nevada. When Maxson got PhD's in Biology and English approved, the floodgates opened for more PhD programs to follow. Without that foresight and impetus, UNLV would never have been able to reach Tier 1 status. Many other people, since that time, have helped in this quest, but it started while Maxson was president and he deserves a modicum of credit for the outcome -- Tier 1 status.

Man, this is eerily reminiscent of the breakfast table with the Ex - a box of Wheaties and a pitcher of piss...
 
I think that it was Tark's personality and rapport with players was probably biggest factor. THe man didn't have a fake bone in his body and the players loved him and respected him. The rare combination of efficacy and humility set him apart. Then he got some big money behind him when he was brought here and the rest is history.
 
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Someone has had too many drugs if they think Maxson did anything for UNLV! UNLV football finished 26th in the nation and UNLV basketball was top 10-20 the year Maxson took over the school. He destroyed a football program that has only had one losing season since going D1 in 1978 until 1984, and since has had very little success. It took him a few more years, but he also destroyed the basketball program. UNLV would have been tier 1 and in a P5 decades ago if not for what Maxson did to destroy UNLV.
 
Someone has had too many drugs if they think Maxson did anything for UNLV! UNLV football finished 26th in the nation and UNLV basketball was top 10-20 the year Maxson took over the school. He destroyed a football program that has only had one losing season since going D1 in 1978 until 1984, and since has had very little success. It took him a few more years, but he also destroyed the basketball program. UNLV would have been tier 1 and in a P5 decades ago if not for what Maxson did to destroy UNLV.
Logic isn’t allowed.

Revisionist history is.
 
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I think Rebel Robert got a picture of Hiker. Hiker or Dr. Lenz is a Maxson cohort. Everybody is giving credit to Carol Harter so Maxson is out.
 
The facts are clear. Tier 1 status is based on doctorate programs and grant money. Unlv’s trajectory would be very different if Maxson did not inaugurate doctorate programs. An academically weak unlv would never be embraced by a P5 conference. We may never get into a P5 conference, so from an athletic perspective, earning Tier 1 status may be irrelevant. In that case, you don’t need to live in an alternative universe to continue the Maxson hate-fest.

Undoubtedly Tarkanian also had a tremendous influence on unlv’s trajectory.
 
The facts are clear. Tier 1 status is based on doctorate programs and grant money. Unlv’s trajectory would be very different if Maxson did not inaugurate doctorate programs. An academically weak unlv would never be embraced by a P5 conference. We may never get into a P5 conference, so from an athletic perspective, earning Tier 1 status may be irrelevant. In that case, you don’t need to live in an alternative universe to continue the Maxson hate-fest.

Undoubtedly Tarkanian also had a tremendous influence on unlv’s trajectory.
Are you trying to baiting us to say " yes, Maxson was riding coach Tark coattails and money to establish his craps"?
 
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That a$$hole got nothing but hate when the name Tark was mentioned...the students cant even mentioned his name without fear of repercussion from the professors back then...all because of Maxson leadership. Maxson was never a creator of anything but a destroyer and fear monger.
 
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I dislike Maxson even more than uclz (so much hate I mispell on purpose so I never use their name).

Still kills me they won NC with one of Tarkanian best recruits ever in obannon.
 
3. UNLV is only going to survive as a major player in athletics if it can join one of the P5 conferences. Reaching Tier 1 status is an important step in that direction. A necessary step but unfortunately not a sufficient step. The new stadium and the dynamism of Las Vegas, are other pluses. The move up to Tier 1 is partially based on the number of doctorate degrees awarded and research grants received. The development of those two areas was only possible because of the decision made during Maxson's reign to push the regents to allow UNLV to offer PhD programs.

Before that push, there was implicit agreement that UNR was the research PhD granting institution in Nevada. When Maxson got PhD's in Biology and English approved, the floodgates opened for more PhD programs to follow. Without that foresight and impetus, UNLV would never have been able to reach Tier 1 status. Many other people, since that time, have helped in this quest, but it started while Maxson was president and he deserves a modicum of credit for the outcome -- Tier 1 status.

First of all, it's a huge leap to suggest UNLV is anywhere close to being considered for a P5 conference. Which P5 conference did you have in mind?

Second, the Maxson thing. I was a student during the Maxson reign and you are way off base on the importance of that narcissist...

In 1950 Clark County had 30% of Nevada's population and no political clout. In 1957 a campus of the University of Nevada was founded in 1957 in Clark County.

In 1960 Clark County had 44% of the state's population. By 1970 it had reached 56%, and by then UNLV was split off and by law mandated to be treated as an equal university to UNR. Unfortunately many in the legislature and BOR had northern ties and hugely disproportionate funding was given to UNR.

By 1990 Clark County was 62% of the state, generated the lion's share of the gambling tax revenue, but continued to get the shaft. Robert Maxson accomplished very little to change that. It took the generosity of Hughes Corp to get the College of Engineering on track. It was inevitable that UNLV would start having PhD programs once the student population passed 10,000 in the early '80's and by 1990 UNLV reached 20,000 students.

I'm not sure about "the decision made during Maxson's reign to push the regents to allow UNLV to offer PhD programs". If Maxson hadn't asked for that it would have been absolute incompetence. With all the startup politicians on the BOR in that era with big aspirations to run for state offices (like Frankie Sue Del Papa) the culture had already changed.
 
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The posts below show the sentiment a lot of people still have toward Maxson, and a lot of it is for reasons unrelated to Tark. One of the perceptions of Maxson was that he pampered some supporters too much (i.e. Steve and Elaine Wynn) and alienated others (i.e. the Engelstad family). The Engelstad Foundation still gives several hundred thousand each year to UNLV hockey, and just paid for UNLV hockey's locker room in the VGK facility) The foundation (now run by Engelstad's daughter, who is a UNLV alumna) is still the biggest donor to UNLV's medical school even after rescinding $14M of it because of the BOR axing Jessup. The Engelstad Foundation has strongly supported hockey elsewhere by donating $105 million to the University of North Dakota to build them a hockey arena, as well as $13M to build a hockey rink in Minnesota and $5M for one in Fargo, ND. I don't know the story Robert Nixon is bringing up below, but there must be some fire behind the smoke...

Las Vegas RJ Sports‏Verified account@RJ_Sports Jan 5
.@UNLVRebelHockey GM Zee Khan estimates that it would take $15M-$20M to make the transition and set the Rebels up for the first 5 years at the NCAA level
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Had the chance 20 years ago but your boy Bob Maxim turned down a arena, fully funded team for 10 years and a plane for the athletic department from Ralph Englestead. Instead North Dakota got it. #gorebs #maximsucks
 
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I don't like Maxson, and believe he was useless, but I have a hard time putting any credibility to a tweet from someone that wasn't even close on the spelling of his name.
 
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I'm confused. According to President Maxson, if UNLV got rid of Tark, the university would turn into the Harvard of the West - not a Top Tier 1 research university.
 
The fact is if Maxson had actually supported athletics and had reinstated recently folded UNLV's booster program, it's incontrovertible that UNLV would have become part of the Power 5. Which would have led to better finances, a better academic standing, and increased enrollment - all the things that Maxson was purported attempting to achieve.

Maxson was an elitist, myopic, egomaniac who destroyed a golden opportunity for UNLV's future.
 
The fact is if Maxson had actually supported athletics and had reinstated recently folded UNLV's booster program, it's incontrovertible that UNLV would have become part of the Power 5. Which would have led to better finances, a better academic standing, and increased enrollment - all the things that Maxson was purported attempting to achieve.

Maxson was an elitist, myopic, egomaniac who destroyed a golden opportunity for UNLV's future.
Didn’t LBSU lose football a few years after he jumped on board? Or is that timeline wrong?
 
LBSU stopped played D1 in 1991. Maxson became President in 1994.
Maybe that’s what attracted him there. No football, shit basketball. Don’t have to worry about sports snatching all the attention.

I gotta pull up some of those pompous ass interviews I have on tape - him and Steve Wynn, are you kidding me - stepping in front of the cameras and kissing basketball’s ass while they were trying to shut it all down. Smiles and drawls, “windha of oppertuniteeee”.
 
We would've been P5 years ago if it weren't for Maxson. UNLV probably lost a few billion $$$ by ousting Tark.

This is why I won't send my kids to UNLV... professors teaching kids agenda driven nonsense.

Giving Maxson credit is about as ridiculous as trying to sell Socialism as a great idea.
 
We would've been P5 years ago if it weren't for Maxson. UNLV probably lost a few billion $$$ by ousting Tark.

This is why I won't send my kids to UNLV... professors teaching kids agenda driven nonsense.

Giving Maxson credit is about as ridiculous as trying to sell Socialism as a great idea.

Welcome to university. everyone has at least 2 things: an opinion and an ass hole....
 
I am guessing his kids don't go to any University since most of them have the same type of political views, agendas, and issues across the board.
 
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