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How many wins do we have left?

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  • 7-8

    Votes: 10 38.5%
  • 5-6

    Votes: 15 57.7%
  • 3-4

    Votes: 1 3.8%

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I think we go 7 and 1. I also think if Hill comes back Healthy We have a good chance to get to the mountain west championship. We are as Talented as anyone in our conference. Some pretty good teams but they have lots of flaws. The mountain west is not as talented as in years past. There are like six Teams that can win the MWC tournament. Playing on our home floor we should have our best shot in years.
 
I think we go 7 and 1. I also think if Hill comes back Healthy We have a good chance to get to the mountain west championship. We are as Talented as anyone in our conference. Some pretty good teams but they have lots of flaws. The mountain west is not as talented as in years past. There are like six Teams that can win the MWC tournament. Playing on our home floor we should have our best shot in years.
From fire the coach at halftime of Air Force to finishing conference 11-1.

Sigh.

Dude, you flop around like a Viagraless 90 year old weenie.
 
If the last four games is a true indication of the makeup of the team, then we should be further along with a much better record. I blame that on coaching and preparation. Unless KK learned his lesson this year, which may just be the case, I still think he should be let go at the end of the season. He got Lucky with DJ and I don't think we get another player of that caliber for a while. His only saving grace would be a sweet 16 IMHO. Let's remember that our S16 run should no longer be the threshold. We had a mountain west team make the Final last year. That should be our immediate goal.
 
I think we go 7 and 1. I also think if Hill comes back Healthy We have a good chance to get to the mountain west championship. We are as Talented as anyone in our conference. Some pretty good teams but they have lots of flaws. The mountain west is not as talented as in years past. There are like six Teams that can win the MWC tournament. Playing on our home floor we should have our best shot in years.
Hill tore his ACL... he's not coming back.
As for the rest of it... who knows. Maybe the Air Force beat down snapped something with these guys and they play just well enough to win. Maybe they get on this little streak and think they're unbeatable and lose by 15 at Fresno... for a team with a lot of upperclassmen, we're currently being led by 2 Freshman and a first year D1 player dragging Super Seniors around for 40 minutes. At some point you'd think the Boones get back to 15-20ppg marks and that significantly upgrades our outlook, but that's a huge ? Right now as they're both in a little slump.
 
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If the last four games is a true indication of the makeup of the team, then we should be further along with a much better record. I blame that on coaching and preparation. Unless KK learned his lesson this year, which may just be the case, I still think he should be let go at the end of the season. He got Lucky with DJ and I don't think we get another player of that caliber for a while. His only saving grace would be a sweet 16 IMHO. Let's remember that our S16 run should no longer be the threshold. We had a mountain west team make the Final last year. That should be our immediate goal.
We haven’t even made the tournament for over 10 years now, but our “immediate” goal should be national championship game?
 
If the last four games is a true indication of the makeup of the team, then we should be further along with a much better record. I blame that on coaching and preparation. Unless KK learned his lesson this year, which may just be the case, I still think he should be let go at the end of the season. He got Lucky with DJ and I don't think we get another player of that caliber for a while. His only saving grace would be a sweet 16 IMHO. Let's remember that our S16 run should no longer be the threshold. We had a mountain west team make the Final last year. That should be our immediate goal.
I think getting into NCAA would secure Kruger for next year. Possible silver lining to hill and webster injuries is the emergence of hicks and whaley. they look like solid pieces to build around if they will come back. also - what in the hell happened with nowell?
 
From fire the coach at halftime of Air Force to finishing conference 11-1.

Sigh.

Dude, you flop around like a Viagraless 90 year old weenie.
We should of beat CSU and Utah St and be at the top of the MWC. I still thinks a good chance we get there. I really like Thomas, Hicks and Whaley . Do I think CKK is the answer ? No! But he has a chance to make things real hard for Harper this off-season. Other than that egg vs AF we have played competitively vs the best the MWC has to offer. Should i be all doom and gloom? I'll say this again unless we get a home run higher or close to it and CKK finishes strong as in top 2 in the MWC and gets to the championship game! maybe we give him one more year? I do think that there might be a huge drop off in recruiting next year regardless without a contract extension. Unless kids can bolt multiple times with no penalty. I believe that's in the courts.
 
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We win out and everyone else losses in the just the right amounts and we could be at the top of the conference. ( Unless USU wins out) And of course, every player should be playing their heart out to win every game.

But, even if we win out, with three quad 4 losses I believe the only way we can be sure to get in the NCAA's is to win the Tourney.

If that's true, then the real key is getting to fifth place. That requires one less victory to win the MWC Tourney.

Traditionally, 7 losses guarantee a 5th place spot. ( A few times 8 losses gets to 5th) That means going 5-3 for the rest of our games. We'll be favored against Fresno State, AF, Wyoming and San Jose. IF we can get those four, then we'll need a win against either Colorado State, Reno ( twice) or SDSU. I believe we should be able to get a win against Reno or CSU and get in 5th. Then the rest is up to seeding and a really strong tourney run.

And for those thinking we can back into an NIT spot check out the selection rules below. Non power-5 is at a distinct disadvantage.

 
We haven’t even made the tournament for over 10 years now, but our “immediate” goal should be national championship game?
I know what he’s saying. But I do think SDSU had a ton of luck and very little being “better” than the opposition throughout the NCAAT, so while they were a finals team, it was a Cinderella. So I can’t make that the bar. But I get what he’s saying, it’s been proven it can be done within the league. Just like Odom. He showed you CAN win at UNLV.

So while i understand where he’s coming from, that bar is way too much. But I’ll lower our (unmet) minimum standard of a perennial S16 type of team (sometimes sh happens and you don’t get it) to making the tournament as the goal. So even that is a very drastic reduction in expectations, bars, goals …

UNLV should be a 4 NCAAT team every 5 years, imo, that is above where LK had it (I think he was 4 in 7?). And that is light years away.

We all have different levels. But it should be between the extremes of FF team and NIT team/CBI team.
 
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We should have beat CSU and Utah St and be at the top of the MWC. I still thinks a good chance we get there. I really like Thomas, Hicks and Whaley . Do I think CKK is the answer ? No! But he has a chance to make things real hard for Harper this off-season. Other than that egg vs AF we have played competitively vs the best the MWC has to offer. Should i be all doom and gloom? I'll say this again unless we get a home run higher or close to it and CKK finishes strong as in top 2 in the MWC and gets to the championship game! maybe we give him one more year? I do think that there might be a huge drop off in recruiting next year regardless without a contract extension. Unless kids can bolt multiple times with no penalty. I believe that's in the courts.
But you were doom and gloom. That’s what you’re forgetting. And now you are talking winning 10 of 11. That’s one bipolar ass fan.

Scrub, pass this joker the meds!
 
If the last four games is a true indication of the makeup of the team, then we should be further along with a much better record. I blame that on coaching and preparation. Unless KK learned his lesson this year, which may just be the case, I still think he should be let go at the end of the season. He got Lucky with DJ and I don't think we get another player of that caliber for a while. His only saving grace would be a sweet 16 IMHO. Let's remember that our S16 run should no longer be the threshold. We had a mountain west team make the Final last year. That should be our immediate goal.
These!

I will believe it if it happens but NCAA tournament teams don’t get “boat raced” at home by a last placed team! Let’s see if Kevin can lead this team on some magical winning streak the rest of the season, winning it all in the MWCT and out of the first weekend of the big dance… yeah that doesn’t sound crazy at all!

Kevin needs to be gone at the end of this season unless we have some magic carpet ride to the NCAA’s!
 
We win out and everyone else losses in the just the right amounts and we could be at the top of the conference. ( Unless USU wins out) And of course, every player should be playing their heart out to win every game.

But, even if we win out, with three quad 4 losses I believe the only way we can be sure to get in the NCAA's is to win the Tourney.

If that's true, then the real key is getting to fifth place. That requires one less victory to win the MWC Tourney.

Traditionally, 7 losses guarantee a 5th place spot. ( A few times 8 losses gets to 5th) That means going 5-3 for the rest of our games. We'll be favored against Fresno State, AF, Wyoming and San Jose. IF we can get those four, then we'll need a win against either Colorado State, Reno ( twice) or SDSU. I believe we should be able to get a win against Reno or CSU and get in 5th. Then the rest is up to seeding and a really strong tourney run.

And for those thinking we can back into an NIT spot check out the selection rules below. Non power-5 is at a distinct disadvantage.

Jesus Christ, you put a lot of thought into this.
 
How the hell answer that with a team blown out by southern and airforce and beat down Creighton new mexico twice and a stolen win by st marys ...literally can be between 0 and 8 wins
 
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How the hell answer that with a team blown out by southern and airforce and beat down Creighton new mexico twice and a stolen win by st marys ...literally can be between 0 and 8 wins
The southern game had no kalib boone. Whaley 16 min and cotrell 26 minutes. And DJ got smoked the entire 1st half. Yes, they were not ready to play.

But they may have survived southern with kalib boone.
 
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The southern game had no kalib boone. Whaley 16 min and cotrell 26 minutes. And DJ got smoked the entire 1st half. Yes, they were not ready to play.

But they may have survived southern with kalib boone.
I'm not too sure we would have beat Southern even with him. We looked terrible that game.

Kalib hasn't moved the needle for me. He looks great sometimes, but overall He's had like 10 good games. The rest of the time he whines and grabs less than 5 boards a game at 6'9.
 
But you were doom and gloom. That’s what you’re forgetting. And now you are talking winning 10 of 11. That’s one bipolar ass fan.

Scrub, pass this joker the meds!

From fire the coach at halftime of Air Force to finishing conference 11-1.

Sigh.

Dude, you flop around like a Viagraless 90 year old weenie.
Dude , I'm allow to change my opinion on where this team is headed. We are playing better. Are we a great or even good team? No! I say we are decent to pretty good. We are literally 3 plays away from having 3 more quad 1 wins and being a LOCK from having a autobid. Yes in a weakened MWC compared to years past.
 
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Dude , I'm allow to change my opinion on where this team is headed. We are playing better. Are we a great or even good team? No! I say we are decent to pretty good. We are literally 3 plays away from having 3 more quad 1 wins and being a LOCK from having a autobid. Yes in a weakened MWC compared to years past.
But you do realize, you’re thinking win out essentially …. But if they were to lose at Fresno or lose to UNR, you’ll just jump back on the fire Kruger bandwagon at halftime … those are extreme positions, absolutes, most of life is some shade of gray. It’s knee jerk, it’s reactionary … changing your mind, no problem. And even with your extreme flip flops, no problem, I’m just calling it out.

You said Marv was a godsend after the Rebel Scrimmage where 9 of 10 dunks were missed in the dunk contest. My jaw dropped that you saw excellence on the floor. He went from a godsend to fire the bum (your take) by the end of the season.

Maybe that’s just blind fandom.
 
We aren’t even a good team according to you, yet we are pretty good according to you.
I think a large percentage of us have gone back and forth with UNLV basketball this season. At one point they look like the best team in the conference, at the next point they look like the worst team in the conference. That has been how the entire season has gone up to this point. It is interesting that UNLV is favored in 7 of the 8 games left according to ESPN. The only game UNLV is not favored to win is against unr at unr. If UNLV can keep playing the way they have for the last four games, and that is a big if, then they could end up with 20 wins to finish the season which is a significant improvement over last season. They also have a chance to have one of the best in conference records that they have had in years. Currently 6-4 in comparison to going 7-11 last year in conference.

I have no doubt that the coaching staff and players both know that Kruger is playing to keep his job, now the question is can they keep up the level of play over the last couple of weeks?
 
I think a large percentage of us have gone back and forth with UNLV basketball this season. At one point they look like the best team in the conference, at the next point they look like the worst team in the conference. That has been how the entire season has gone up to this point. It is interesting that UNLV is favored in 7 of the 8 games left according to ESPN. The only game UNLV is not favored to win is against unr at unr. If UNLV can keep playing the way they have for the last four games, and that is a big if, then they could end up with 20 wins to finish the season which is a significant improvement over last season. They also have a chance to have one of the best in conference records that they have had in years. Currently 6-4 in comparison to going 7-11 last year in conference.

I have no doubt that the coaching staff and players both know that Kruger is playing to keep his job, now the question is can they keep up the level of play over the last couple of weeks?
KenPom has us going 4-4 in out last 8. Let's see them get by Fresno and re-evaluate.
 
6-7 wins. We flat out lucked out that we don't play return games against Utah St and Boise St. We will likely end up top 5 as a result. Could be near the top if we sustain consistency and the conference continues to cannibalize each other. Despite the "rankings" I do not believe there is a "really good" team in this league. More like a cluster of decent to kinda good. I brace myself for the possibility of the MWC getting 5 teams in the dance, because it is conceivable the conference lays another egg and goes 0-5.

Recent performances and the continual emergence of DJ have made me pause to re-evaluate on KK. I'm on the fence if he stays or goes. The weeks ahead can make-or-break. The key is DJ. Does he stay if Kevin stays? I have to think he's a magnet a attract a legitimate scorer or two in the portal. Who would not want to play with this kid? I would almost never let the fate of a single player dictate who is on the sidelines, but part of me thinks it is worth it if DJ stays, he's that good. We've waited since, well, how long to have a PG like this? Curious to know everyone's thoughts on this.
 
DJ is not leaving UNLV. Not unless theres a complete meltdown.

In terms of wins, I think we have 6 more left in us. Like @VegasKC SDM said, we are lucky we dont have to go to USU and Boise. I have us losing against San Diego State and the team up north on their senior night.

Now heres another question; obviously we all hope that we win up north in our regular season finale. But...lets say we do lose, does that kill all of our momentum heading into the MWC Tourney?
 
DJ is not leaving UNLV. Not unless theres a complete meltdown.

In terms of wins, I think we have 6 more left in us. Like @VegasKC SDM said, we are lucky we dont have to go to USU and Boise. I have us losing against San Diego State and the team up north on their senior night.

Now heres another question; obviously we all hope that we win up north in our regular season finale. But...lets say we do lose, does that kill all of our momentum heading into the MWC Tourney?
Winning six should give us 5th place. Our momentum will be fine. But losing to Reno and SDSU will guarantee we will need to win the MWCT to get in to post season.

I disagree you about USU and Boise. That's 2 possible quad 1 wins we absolutely needed and the losses wouldn't really hurt.
 
Winning six should give us 5th place. Our momentum will be fine. But losing to Reno and SDSU will guarantee we will need to win the MWCT to get in to post season.

I disagree you about USU and Boise. That's 2 possible quad 1 wins we absolutely needed and the losses wouldn't really hurt.
I didnt think about it like that. I agree that those 2 possible wins are needed. i still think that we have no shot to make the tourney as an at large with our bad losses.
 
DJ is not leaving UNLV. Not unless theres a complete meltdown.

In terms of wins, I think we have 6 more left in us. Like @VegasKC SDM said, we are lucky we dont have to go to USU and Boise. I have us losing against San Diego State and the team up north on their senior night.

Now heres another question; obviously we all hope that we win up north in our regular season finale. But...lets say we do lose, does that kill all of our momentum heading into the MWC Tourney?
Good point. Personally I think we god 6-2 the rest of the way. Split Reno and lose to SDSU here. We would probably lose at Reno.

Looking at the big picture, that is a decent finish all things considered, and may have us finish tied for 4th or 5th in the standings.

But losing the season finale at Reno would sting a bit more. Our fanbase is fickle as it is. It would be nice to finish strong to hopefully entice a few extra fans in the tourney.
 
We haven’t just been in a holding pattern since LK; we’ve been in decline. Each new coach has had worse results than the last. And this might seem like a contradiction, but in the case of all of them (with the exception of TJO), they were all let go or allowed to go too soon. I know people here hate slow builds but slow and steady declines are even worse. I admit to grasping for straws and hope but I see something in the last seven games (leaving out the AF embarrassment) that I haven’t seen for a while. Intensity, especially defensively. Not perfect execution but consistent effort. And KK’s intensity has improved, too. I think DJT and Hicks are a potential NCAAT backcourt. I hated to lose Gilbert but now I don’t think about him too much. And Whaley lets me not think about Hall too much. I like watching the Rebels play and that hasn’t been the case for a long time. If they keep playing with this effort and intensity, if they win 6 out of the next 8, and if they make it to the MWCT semis, then I’m inclined to think KK should return. The next coach would have to be a real home run and I don’t see how UNLV has the resources to make it happen. I don’t see someone turning over the roster immediately and making it to the tourney. Just because it seems to be happening in Logan doesn’t mean it’s likely or possible here because, frankly, Utah State’s program is in a better place than ours. I’m not talking about history, or how it should be. That’s just how it is. For me, keeping an improving young coach (and KK has the rest of this season to prove this, which he must do) is the best thing for the program. Sorry to go on so long.
 
Winning six should give us 5th place. Our momentum will be fine. But losing to Reno and SDSU will guarantee we will need to win the MWCT to get in to post season.

I disagree you about USU and Boise. That's 2 possible quad 1 wins we absolutely needed and the losses wouldn't really hurt.
Beating USU on the road would be tough, but we played them quite well the first time and got robbed. I think we would have a good shot at winning that game especially the revenge/redemption factor.

As for Boise, we had a pretty comfortable win for a road win the first time we played. Getting them again at home we would probably be favored. I think we match up well against them as well.

All of that being said, I think the 3rd quad 4 loss was the nail in the coffin. But UNLV will bring up an interesting case study. I don't think a team has had as many quad 1 wins and quad 4 losses before. Especially if we end up 0ver .500 in quad 1 at the end of the season.

But if we won out and lost the championship game ( top a top 25 team) At the very least I think we are in the conversation. Probably on the outside looking in.
 
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DJ is not leaving UNLV. Not unless theres a complete meltdown.

In terms of wins, I think we have 6 more left in us. Like @VegasKC SDM said, we are lucky we dont have to go to USU and Boise. I have us losing against San Diego State and the team up north on their senior night.

Now heres another question; obviously we all hope that we win up north in our regular season finale. But...lets say we do lose, does that kill all of our momentum heading into the MWC Tourney?
Yes, extremely likely. Also lets say that were T-1st somehow heading into that game and we lose.. USU takes the title and we end up at like 5th place because of it. Thats a huge blow. Im still not sold we wont drop a dumb game and especially playing SDSU who we just cant beat but they havent exactly been the same team we got in January. If we do follow our new identity of not taking forced 3 point shots and just taking the offense as needed, itll certainly change the way SDSU forced us into bad 3s..
 
Lol...
But that would be so UNLV
It’s what happened to UNLV and Hauck. The AD’s hands were forced when he made a bowl in his last year. They had already pulled the plug on him, but how can UNLV fire their football coach after he takes them to a bowl?
 
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It’s what happened to UNLV and Hauck. The AD’s hands were forced when he made a bowl in his last year. They had already pulled the plug on him, but how can UNLV fire their football coach after he takes them to a bowl?
Hauck didn't even come close to making a bowl game in his last year. In 2013 he went to a bowl game with a final 7-6 record against a really weak schedule, in 2014 Hauck went back to a 2-11 record. Four out of five years he won 2 games for a final record of 15-49 for a winning record of 23.4%.
 
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We haven’t just been in a holding pattern since LK; we’ve been in decline. Each new coach has had worse results than the last. And this might seem like a contradiction, but in the case of all of them (with the exception of TJO), they were all let go or allowed to go too soon. I know people here hate slow builds but slow and steady declines are even worse. I admit to grasping for straws and hope but I see something in the last seven games (leaving out the AF embarrassment) that I haven’t seen for a while. Intensity, especially defensively. Not perfect execution but consistent effort. And KK’s intensity has improved, too. I think DJT and Hicks are a potential NCAAT backcourt. I hated to lose Gilbert but now I don’t think about him too much. And Whaley lets me not think about Hall too much. I like watching the Rebels play and that hasn’t been the case for a long time. If they keep playing with this effort and intensity, if they win 6 out of the next 8, and if they make it to the MWCT semis, then I’m inclined to think KK should return. The next coach would have to be a real home run and I don’t see how UNLV has the resources to make it happen. I don’t see someone turning over the roster immediately and making it to the tourney. Just because it seems to be happening in Logan doesn’t mean it’s likely or possible here because, frankly, Utah State’s program is in a better place than ours. I’m not talking about history, or how it should be. That’s just how it is. For me, keeping an improving young coach (and KK has the rest of this season to prove this, which he must do) is the best thing for the program. Sorry to go on so long.
Think if we had Hall and Whaley ?
Now that is a bruising duo.
 
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Hauck didn't even come close to making a bowl game in his last year. In 2013 he went to a bowl game with a final 7-6 record against a really weak schedule, in 2014 Hauck went back to a 2-11 record. Four out of five years he won 2 games for a final record of 15-49 for a winning record of 23.4%.
I meant to say that his bowl year was supposed to be his last year. They were ready to fire him and then he made the bowl so they had to bring him back for one more year
 
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Gilbert left for family reasons and the fact that no one on UNLV's front court can catch a pass. That was last year, this years team squandered winnable games with poor mental and physical preparation by the coaching staff. Staying with veterans who had proven they could not defend was KK's mistake. Now with Hicks in lineup we can see the difference stronger guards make. KK and staff have definitely improved the interior scoring game because of hard work by assistants and pressure from fans. The three point shooting deficiency is still apparent and SDSU will make us pay with strong interior defense because our guards don't shoot well. Let's consider if Lu Rod hits 40% vs Nevada and SDSU. We would then have only Le Dee guarding the interior plus their good bench who killed CSU in the second half last night. CSU tried to win with threes and only scored 11 points in the second half. In other words, HIcks and DJ have to open them up with made threes.
 
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Gilbert left for family reasons and the fact that no one on UNLV's front court can catch a pass. That was last year, this years team squandered winnable games with poor mental and physical preparation by the coaching staff. Staying with veterans who had proven they could not defend was KK's mistake. Now with Hicks in lineup we can see the difference stronger guards make. KK and staff have definitely improved the interior scoring game because of hard work by assistants and pressure from fans. The three point shooting deficiency is still apparent and SDSU will make us pay with strong interior defense because our guards don't shoot well. Let's consider if Lu Rod hits 40% vs Nevada and SDSU. We would then have only Le Dee guarding the interior plus their good bench who killed CSU in the second half last night. CSU tried to win with threes and only scored 11 points in the second half. In other words, HIcks and DJ have to open them up with made threes.
Yeah, I think we forced them to shoot a bunch of 3s early and thats what got us out to a good lead, but their #6 in FG% in Country and going away from the easy stuff vs SDSU was a mistake. But thats also what SDSU did to us and we just kept chucking them instead of trying to beat them inside and get into foul issues. If we can shift to being a high % shot taking team and get occasional 3s enough to keep defenses honest we might stand a chance.
 
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