Even with all the best trainers and chefs in the world at his everyday disposal it can happen to anyone. Get well young man (I’ll put my utter hatred aside of Lebron for this)
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It’s happening an awful lot. Way too frequently.Even with all the best trainers and chefs in the world at his everyday disposal it can happen to anyone. Get well young man (I’ll put my utter hatred aside of Lebron for this)
Yeah, you have to think this will have a big impact on his future in basketball. I know Dr's can do some pretty amazing things through surgery, etc, but what would cause a young healthy guy like this to have a heart attack? He's in peak physical shape, so he should have a healthy heart. It's certainly not an issue of obesity, cholesterol, etc, so I wouldn't think it's related to any sort of blockage, except maybe a blood clot. I'm not an expert by an stretch though, so just spit balling. Hope he recovers fully and they determine the cause.It’s happening an awful lot. Way too frequently.
Lucky his dad is set for life. He probably just lost a pro basketball career, I know I wouldn’t make a large investment.
Thankfully he’s ok and his family can get the proper care.
NBA teams invest a lot in players.Yeah, you have to think this will have a big impact on his future in basketball. I know Dr's can do some pretty amazing things through surgery, etc, but what would cause a young healthy guy like this to have a heart attack? He's in peak physical shape, so he should have a healthy heart. It's certainly not an issue of obesity, cholesterol, etc, so I wouldn't think it's related to any sort of blockage, except maybe a blood clot. I'm not an expert by a stretch though, so just spit balling. Hope he recovers fully and they determine the cause.
Brush up on actual science instead of bowing to MSM and bureaucrats and big pharma.Jeez, I wonder if there was some terrible pandemic that occurred that the right tried to play down in order to push social eugenics, but in a brilliant use of propaganda, they blamed vaccines for society's ills instead.
So weird. And so many. And so young.Brush up on actual science instead of bowing to MSM and bureaucrats and big pharma.
These poor vax signals have been out for a long time …
Like so many, you’re playing politics with something that politics should never touch.
I hate the orange guy, won’t vote for him. He was the first one to push this thing and he still does … I can’t believe so many people blindly gobbled it up when we had zero (real) evidence of safety before jabbing it in arms. Let alone efficacy.
Another thread where politics wasn’t mentioned but somebody has to inject it.
Whether you’re an evil person or a good person … political party, nationality, race, sex, orientation doesn’t matter. You can be a POS and belong to any of them or a good person and belong to any of them. Some people seem to think they have a monopoly on all that is good in a nice, neat little bubble and everything outside of it is bad.
Ridiculously short sighted.
Brush up on actual science instead of bowing to MSM and bureaucrats and big pharma.
These poor vax signals have been out for a long time …
Like so many, you’re playing politics with something that politics should never touch.
I hate the orange guy, won’t vote for him. He was the first one to push this thing and he still does … I can’t believe so many people blindly gobbled it up when we had zero (real) evidence of safety before jabbing it in arms. Let alone efficacy.
Another thread where politics wasn’t mentioned but somebody has to inject it.
Whether you’re an evil person or a good person … political party, nationality, race, sex, orientation doesn’t matter. You can be a POS and belong to any of them or a good person and belong to any of them. Some people seem to think they have a monopoly on all that is good in a nice, neat little bubble and everything outside of it is bad.
Ridiculously short sighted.
I think the whole state of California, every student had to take the vaccine.The issue I have with immediately blaming the vaccine for these issues(and they ARE highly unusual - I've never seen so many young people coming in complaining of cardiovascular issues) is that we were told BEFORE the vaccine was even in the process of being made that covid's effects after infection included blood clots and myocarditis. Billions were infected. Some had acute problems, some had mild problems. Maybe Bronny was infected prior and these are some of the effects. Maybe the vaccine does exacerbate these effects, I'm not remotely smart enough to wade through any medical research on the subject to make sense of any of it.
From November 2020
Blood clots in the heart are common in patients with COVID-19 - Mayo Clinic News Network
ROCHESTER, Minn. — Researchers continue to study the effects of COVID-19 on the heart, including myocarditis — a focused inflammation of the heart muscle. New research from Mayo Clinic suggests that myocarditis might not be responsible for cardiac injury in many cases of COVID-19. A small but...newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org
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I’m not blaming people for their choices. I don’t think they were actual choices for many people. When heavy coercion is involved, and it was, when penalties are levied, and they were, it’s no longer a free choice. It’s force.You make it seem like everyone just wanted to take it. Some people had the choice of being homeless if they declined and lost their job or took it because it kept a roof over our heads. I took 3 all because of work, before they said it wasn’t required anymore. I have also had Covid 4x now and as recent as last week. Fun times
Pfizers own studies showed an elevated risk of vax induced myocarditis …The issue I have with immediately blaming the vaccine for these issues(and they ARE highly unusual - I've never seen so many young people coming in complaining of cardiovascular issues) is that we were told BEFORE the vaccine was even in the process of being made that covid's effects after infection included blood clots and myocarditis. Billions were infected. Some had acute problems, some had mild problems. Maybe Bronny was infected prior and these are some of the effects. Maybe the vaccine does exacerbate these effects, I'm not remotely smart enough to wade through any medical research on the subject to make sense of any of it.
From November 2020
Blood clots in the heart are common in patients with COVID-19 - Mayo Clinic News Network
ROCHESTER, Minn. — Researchers continue to study the effects of COVID-19 on the heart, including myocarditis — a focused inflammation of the heart muscle. New research from Mayo Clinic suggests that myocarditis might not be responsible for cardiac injury in many cases of COVID-19. A small but...newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org
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Yo it’s a virus. A virus mutates. This is basic biology 190 Class and microbiology class in college.You make it seem like everyone just wanted to take it. Some people had the choice of being homeless if they declined and lost their job or took it because it kept a roof over our heads. I took 3 all because of work, before they said it wasn’t required anymore. I have also had Covid 4x now and as recent as last week. Fun times
What’s pretty foolish is not fully examining the whys as to why so many are happening to people under 40. Just letting it go and saying, eh, it happens sometimes … when it’s never happened at this rate … just turning a blind eye and whatevering it, that’s more foolish, imo.These things do happen, and have happened for years. Lebron James' son, who happens to be a high profile basketball recruit is going to get significantly more pub.
Truth is he could just have cardiovascular anomaly, like an enlarged heart, which is completely congenital and can be asymptomatic.
Remember Kory Stringer? He played HS ball, college ball, then dropped dead at a pro practice.
Trying to blame anything without any evidence at this point is pretty foolish IMO.
Wow bro, you’re really lost (brain washed) if that isn’t sarcasm. Man…Jeez, I wonder if there was some terrible pandemic that occurred that the right tried to play down in order to push social eugenics, but in a brilliant use of propaganda, they blamed vaccines for society's ills instead.
Cardiac arrests in 20-30 year old highly trained athletes is up 30-40%. That doesn’t happen without a new element being introduced.These things do happen, and have happened for years. Lebron James' son, who happens to be a high profile basketball recruit is going to get significantly more pub.
Truth is he could just have cardiovascular anomaly, like an enlarged heart, which is completely congenital and can be asymptomatic.
Remember Kory Stringer? He played HS ball, college ball, then dropped dead at a pro practice.
Trying to blame anything without any evidence at this point is pretty foolish IMO.
I’ve met with plenty of ED physicians and cardios who see have seen it way too regularly in young, healthy non-athletes. And not historically, but recently.Heard from an actual Physician today, a real one not a rebel net physician. Dr David Chau former Chargers team physician. Said that in HS athletes this is common, too common, was common before we even know what Covid was, it happens after Mono thats why Dr's keep athletes out after mono, common flu as well. The number he gave was 1 in 50,000 athletes and chances increase in larger, more muscular, and African American high school athletes.
And for your doctor to call 1 in 50,000 athletes common … is kind of mind boggling. That would mean about 20 people per million population. That would never be considered common by any medical categorization. That’s considered rare.Heard from an actual Physician today, a real one not a rebel net physician. Dr David Chau former Chargers team physician. Said that in HS athletes this is common, too common, was common before we even know what Covid was, it happens after Mono thats why Dr's keep athletes out after mono, common flu as well. The number he gave was 1 in 50,000 athletes and chances increase in larger, more muscular, and African American high school athletes.
Sorry, common isnt the right word and what I used not him, what he said was it can be as high as 1 in 50,000 in HS athletes so thats why its important to do preactivity physicals in HS athletes. There are 8 million HS athletes in the US according to Google so I think his point is there are kids with cardiovascular conditions that are unaware until something like what happend today happens. Most we dont hear about.And for your doctor to call 1 in 50,000 athletes common … is kind of mind boggling. That would mean about 20 people per million population. That would never be considered common by any medical categorization. That’s considered rare.
now this i understand. Well put , and i agree. We need to be careful and figure out is there a problem <seems to be > and is it the shot the virus or both ? Man i agree with you 100 percent and this is what i mean by actual science = ask the questions , form an opinion , test the conclusions . in a nutshell anyway .The issue I have with immediately blaming the vaccine for these issues(and they ARE highly unusual - I've never seen so many young people coming in complaining of cardiovascular issues) is that we were told BEFORE the vaccine was even in the process of being made that covid's effects after infection included blood clots and myocarditis. Billions were infected. Some had acute problems, some had mild problems. Maybe Bronny was infected prior and these are some of the effects. Maybe the vaccine does exacerbate these effects, I'm not remotely smart enough to wade through any medical research on the subject to make sense of any of it.
From November 2020
Blood clots in the heart are common in patients with COVID-19 - Mayo Clinic News Network
ROCHESTER, Minn. — Researchers continue to study the effects of COVID-19 on the heart, including myocarditis — a focused inflammation of the heart muscle. New research from Mayo Clinic suggests that myocarditis might not be responsible for cardiac injury in many cases of COVID-19. A small but...newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org
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I like your point and is accurate but i would be careful with the opinion of one DR there has to be a study a broader study to come to conclusions here. Not saying he is not accurate but i do think this does need studying cause of the increased case numbers over the last few years and if there is not a jump in the numbers then ok. I think its a good point take on it either way and educated obviouslySorry, common isnt the right word and what I used not him, what he said was it can be as high as 1 in 50,000 in HS athletes so thats why its important to do preactivity physicals in HS athletes. There are 8 million HS athletes in the US according to Google so I think his point is there are kids with cardiovascular conditions that are unaware until something like what happend today happens. Most we dont hear about.
Trust me, I absolutely WELCOME asking questions from all sides and getting down to the answers for EVERYTHING around this. Regardless of what the answers are. I’m talking transparency and truth, whatever that truth is and if there are shenanigans (payoffs, pressure, influence, malice, or anything else), I don’t care who in the hell the people are, if they are to blame, they should fry. If this is a natural occurrence and we did the best we could, if that is unveiled as a truth, I can live with it.now this i understand. Well put , and i agree. We need to be careful and figure out is there a problem <seems to be > and is it the shot the virus or both ? Man i agree with you 100 percent and this is what i mean by actual science = ask the questions , form an opinion , test the conclusions . in a nutshell anyway .
Lots of anecdotes. Our total numbers of patients haven’t changed, always a full house … but the percentages of afflictions have changed. Cardiac is always high but it’s higher, cancer is usually low and it’s packed. We get multiple code strokes (clots) per day. We always get them, have been getting a lot more.I've been seeing a lot more incidences of blood clots in my patients in the homes recently. Not just surgical patients, my "general weakness" population as well.
This is anecdotal and I don't know numbers, just that I've always tested for them prior and am getting more positive tests now.
Thank you.Heard from an actual Physician today, a real one not a rebel net physician. Dr David Chau former Chargers team physician. Said that in HS athletes this is common, too common, was common before we even know what Covid was, it happens after Mono thats why Dr's keep athletes out after mono, common flu as well. The number he gave was 1 in 50,000 athletes and chances increase in larger, more muscular, and African American high school athletes.
So, when you have many highly credentialed cardiologists stating it is a signal associated with the vax …. And then you have highly credentialed saying it’s normal … how are you deciding? Let’s not act as if there is a consensus. You’re opting to choose one because of … I’m curious? Because of you knowing them personally? So that makes it the consensus?Thank you.
Truth is cardiac anomalies are common enough that this does happen regularly and has happened for years. Working with young athletes for 20 years and working on sidelines, it is something that we prepare for because it does happen.
I'm not saying that this isn't some sort of Vax thing, it could be. But much much more likely it is something else.
So rebel netting this up. Saying some unsubstantiated claim to make yet another thread a political thread, just to have people start running with this as if it is fact. Then let’s complain about how the world is crap because of fake news. A bit ironic, don't you think?
Again, I want to see meta analysis. Individual experts have value, but I want to see unbiased data before I really make conclusions when it comes to making the leap insinuating that a vaccination was the cause of a phenomenon that is much more likely from other causes.So, when you have many highly credentialed cardiologists stating it is a signal associated with the vax …. And then you have highly credentialed saying it’s normal … how are you deciding? Let’s not act as if there is a consensus. You’re opting to choose one because of … I’m curious? Because of you knowing them personally? So that makes it the consensus?
Stains are showing something. Spike. And spike only. You can’t wish that the way you want it to be.
I understand the absolute need for it to be “much more likely something else”.
But you’re offering up that it’s always been this way as something g else …. And it hasn’t always been this way, not close.
Do you want to get into the neurogenerative disorders as well? Have those always been around large scale? People just walking around with demyelination for some reason, it just happens? It does, it’s rare. But it’s not as rare anymore.
Again, you’re siding with “this is all normal” when it’s not close to normal. Something is to blame, not just, eh, people always get sick. A non-descript, cover all your bases, be done with it answer serves no purpose other than hoping it goes away with closed eyes.
And if you want to get personal, we can do that. Just let me know.
And spare me your Trumpy “fake news” battle cry. Please.
Why is it “much more likely from other causes”? Show me one of those causes with stats (not msm parroting) that show what those causes might be?Again, I want to see meta analysis. Individual experts have value, but I want to see unbiased data before I really make conclusions when it comes to making the leap insinuating that a vaccination was the cause of a phenomenon that is much more likely from other causes.
Weird shit is happening, I am not denying that. COVID times changed our world in so many ways. But as a society there are also many other changes other than the vaccination that have been changing the way we eat, live, etc.
But also we have more information than ever, and simple data sets are being taken and run with without fully being flushed out and lay people are making articles. Cool. Show me some peer reviewed journals and we can talk.
I'm not denying anything, I am not accepting things until we have some strong statistical evidence.
Fwiw; I’d absolutely love to see unbiased data. I really would. I don’t care where it leads.Why is it “much more likely from other causes”? Show me one of those causes with stats (not msm parroting) that show what those causes might be?
And with peer, you have to be careful and dig more, you should know that. Unfortunately, we are at a time where you have to look at conflicts of interest. It sucks but that what they’ve done with science.
We have two under 18 year olds (one girl; one boy) (peds) on the floor right now with elevated (not critical) troponins. Anecdote, sure. But this isn’t rare now. It never happened before, from very rare to occasional or more. But they are in for the same thing, a thing that absolutely is not common. Was it the vax? Again, I don’t know, I’m not digging to see if and when they took it. But something is causing this stuff to happen. Climate change, Covid, long Covid, pesticides, heat stroke, whatever you want to say it is. But again, get to the bottom of it - when you have events that are huge shifts from baseline (sigmas), an (honest) investigation is warranted.Normally when an issue like this pops up I'd research the difference between cardiac incidents in young athletes before and after covid. For me, the issue is I can't trust any data. No need to spend an hour or two because whatever I get may be totally rigged.