What is your cut off...

[reagan21]

I used to be 5 wins and beat Reno, but I think it's 6 wins. If he can't pull of 4 straight wins, we will have a new coach going into 2020. Sanchez has played his part in this program. He didn't win as much as anyone wanted, but I will be grateful for what he was able to do off the field.

 

[UNLVINMD]

Nothing brings him back! What is 6 and 6 in yr 5? If DRF is serious about getting P5 job she needs hire a coach that can win. Sanchez good guy but he will never win. Period! Does anyone think talent can win 4 in row now? He’s gone, he belongs at high school, wish him well.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I used to be 5 wins and beat Reno, but I think it's 6 wins. If he can't pull of 4 straight wins, we will have a new coach going into 2020. Sanchez has played his part in this program. He didn't win as much as anyone wanted, but I will be grateful for what he was able to do off the field.

Yep.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Nothing brings him back! What is 6 and 6 in yr 5? If DRF is serious about getting P5 job she needs hire a coach that can win. Sanchez good guy but he will never win. Period! Does anyone think talent can win 4 in row now? He’s gone, he belongs at high school, wish him well.

6 wins would be progress. It would be only the 2nd bowl in 20 years.

What I wouldn't do is extend him again like Tina did with Hauck after the bowl season.

Treat it like a one off, if he starts off well next season and looks like he is headed for another bowl you extend him then.

Most here don't think he can win 4 in a row. I don't. It starts this weekend though. He wins, he only needs 3. He loses, the noise will pick up and names of replacements start popping up.

If he wins 5 I think its 50/50 he's back.

If he wins 4 70-30 he's gone.

Less than 4 and I don't know how anybody could justify it retaining him.

 

[UNLVINMD]

6 wins would be progress. It would be only the 2nd bowl in 20 years.

What I wouldn't do is extend him again like Tina did with Hauck after the bowl season.

Treat it like a one off, if he starts off well next season and looks like he is headed for another bowl you extend him then.

Most here don't think he can win 4 in a row. I don't. It starts this weekend though. He wins, he only needs 3. He loses, the noise will pick up and names of replacements start popping up.

If he wins 5 I think its 50/50 he's back.

If he wins 4 70-30 he's gone.

Less than 4 and I don't know how anybody could justify it retaining him.

They are 2 and 6 and really not competitive, they will not win out, not sure why folks think they have a chance! I love to be wrong, it’s like the marvelous marv getting team in NCAA, wasn’t happening!

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

They are 2 and 6 and really not competitive, they will not win out, not sure why folks think they have a chance! I love to be wrong, it’s like the marvelous marv getting team in NCAA, wasn’t happening!

Nearly everybody has posted they don't think they much of a chance at all.

But until they lose they do. However slight.

I think everybody agrees they haven't been competitive enough. It's the biggest issue Sanchez faces when making a case to be retained. His teams the last two years have been on the wrong end of a lot of lopsided games.

 

[RebelinWA]

No matter the outcome, we beat reno. If we go 6-6, great keep him. If we go 5-7, but we win against reno, flip a coin for firing him. I’d lean for keeping him.

However, if we lose to reno on 5-7 you tell him, “thank you for your service, good luck.

Anything less, you fire him immediately post reno game before he can walk back into the locker room and have him find his own way back to Vegas.

 

[unlv91]

I think he is gone period. Last game was very telling.

 

[UNLVINMD]

My question why keep him? 6 and 6 is nothing. MWC, I want 8 to 10 wins a yr, outside of Boise and San Diego st league stinks! No more settling for garbage he has 17 freaking wins?

 

[rebelcuff]

I think he is already finished its just hush hush right now. Who in their right mind would want him back. He is just awful.

 

[rebelwithacause]

My cut off point was Ark State.

Since than we have lost the last 4 out of 5 games.

On Sat we will be mathematically eliminated and all the fantasy land scenarios will be over for the one and only galactically thickheaded delusional overly optimistic fan we have on this board.

 

[Pistol Pete 1]

I keep him 1 more year no matter what. He gets 1 year in the facilities he brought to fruition. That is what every coach has said we were lacking that has been here (Sanford most vocally).

 

[rebelwithacause]

"the facilities he brought to fruition" ???? Jeesus freeking christ.. He was a pawn in the whole scheme of things...he didn't make it come to fruition.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

My cut off point was Ark State.

Since than we have lost the last 4 out of 5 games.

On Sat we will be mathematically eliminated and all the fantasy land scenarios will be over for the one and only galactically thickheaded delusional overly optimistic fan we have on this board.

Who would that be?

 

[Pistol Pete 1]

We have tried the 5 year plan plan with coaches now I want to see a 6 or 7 year plan as the 5 year plan has failed miserably. Hey Bull, can’t wait for the pulled pork at the next tailgate. I have something interesting to tell you I heard.

 

[NSU67]

We would not be having this conversation if we had changed coaches last season.
That would have allowed a new coach to have a season in before moving to Alegiant.

Probably would have the same problems as Sanchez. But, we sold this season to complete the half-facility on the money borrowed from the University system.

 

[RebNReno]

We have tried the 5 year plan plan with coaches now I want to see a 6 or 7 year plan as the 5 year plan has failed miserably. Hey Bull, can’t wait for the pulled pork at the next tailgate. I have something interesting to tell you I heard.

Hell No- It doesn't take 6-7 years to build a winner. There's plenty of examples of bad programs being turned around in the first 1-3 years. The next coach better have a plan to win quick. I hated Sanford and Hauck rolling out these crap 2 win teams because there was no pressure for them to win early in their rebuild. 6-7 years is a crazy long time. If UNLV starts off with 6-7 straight losing seasons at Allegiant Stadium with a brand new Fertitta Complex there's no hope for this program.

 

[LocoRebel]

App State is also ahead of BSU in the rankings and plays a much weaker schedule. They do play South Carolina, who is down this year, in a couple weeks. It's App State who I'm more concerned about taking BSU potential NYD Bowl.

Disregard everything I said. App St lost last night at home to Georgia Southern. GASO has losses to LSU, Minnesota, and UL-Lafayette (I guess they go by Louisiana now?). Wouldn't be surprised if they receive votes this week, but I think SMU will still lost at least once before end of the season, but I won't be surprised if BSU wins out and still gets passed in the rankings. The initial CFP rankings come out Tuesday (11/5) evening. Broncos play Wyoming and Utah State, along with SJSU, UNM, and CSU. they won't get much help with the strength of schedule portion of the conversation the rest of the way.

 

[LocoRebel]

Hell No- It doesn't take 6-7 years to build a winner. There's plenty of examples of bad programs being turned around in the first 1-3 years.

I think this thinking is somewhat ignorant of the status that UNLV holds as longest dumpster fire of an athletics department in D1. 1-3 year rebuilds are rarely from programs that are bad. Maybe teams that are, but not programs that are bad. Even so, it requires something of a buy in from the university *and* the supporters. If they figure out the money to get a great coach, it doesn't just take that one instance to turn things around. It requires follow-up hires with money and a commitment that the school will support them.

Without the commitment, they might as well keep Sanchez for 20 years. If you can't or won't pay your coach and his staff, don't bother replacing him.

 

[Deleted member 308]

I think this thinking is somewhat ignorant of the status that UNLV holds as longest dumpster fire of an athletics department in D1. 1-3 year rebuilds are rarely from programs that are bad. Maybe teams that are, but not programs that are bad. Even so, it requires something of a buy in from the university *and* the supporters. If they figure out the money to get a great coach, it doesn't just take that one instance to turn things around. It requires follow-up hires with money and a commitment that the school will support them.

Without the commitment, they might as well keep Sanchez for 20 years. If you can't or won't pay your coach and his staff, don't bother replacing him.

Athletic doesn't matter to the UNLV President. That is why UNLV athletics sucks.

The only time the UNLV president pretends to care is when we play Reno. They put on their best suit or pants suit and go glad-hand the crowd and joke how they forced the scoreboard operators to display "UNR" as a funny joke. So long as no one important gives them angry phone calls about our performance the next day, they are happy no matter the outcome.

Beyond that, athletics is a liability and not an asset to them, the school or their careers.

It doesn't matter if we keep or fire Sanchez. He's not the big problem. He has worked hard to try to fix what problems he is capable of fixing, some he has, some he hasn't.

 

[reagan21]

I think he is gone period. Last game was very telling.

The last game was telling? Uhhh, I actually think the coaches put the team in a very good spot to win that game. Dropped passes, Oblad missing Grimes with 1 minute left, and a failure to execute a punt in the endzone is what lost that game. Nothing the coaches could have done on those plays.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

The last game was telling? Uhhh, I actually think the coaches put the team in a very good spot to win that game. Dropped passes, Oblad missing Grimes with 1 minute left, and a failure to execute a punt in the endzone is what lost that game. Nothing the coaches could have done on those plays.

Of all the games you could point to as them doing a bad job, landed on the one that they did a good job.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Athletic doesn't matter to the UNLV President. That is why UNLV athletics sucks.

The only time the UNLV president pretends to care is when we play Reno. They put on their best suit or pants suit and go glad-hand the crowd and joke how they forced the scoreboard operators to display "UNR" as a funny joke. So long as no one important gives them angry phone calls about our performance the next day, they are happy no matter the outcome.

Beyond that, athletics is a liability and not an asset to them, the school or their careers.

It doesn't matter if we keep or fire Sanchez. He's not the big problem. He has worked hard to try to fix what problems he is capable of fixing, some he has, some he hasn't.

He has. I don't believe it is a lack of effort.

 

[rebneck]

5-7, beat Reno.

The biggest problem I have with firing Sanchez isn't firing Sanchez. It's how much money they can and will pay a new coach if Sanchez is fired. If they aren't willing or able to put up more than 800k (I'd say maybe more like 1.2-1.3k), it's understandable to not fire him since it's unlikely to find a good coach who would be willing to come here at that salary. If they are paying 650 or 700 again, keep Sanchez and let the market continue to shift. In my opinion, there's not an obvious guy that UNLV can just go hire and maybe be off to the races with what I expect to be their financial ball park.

If they have figured out how to get 1.5m for a head guy and a reasonable total for staff, then by all means make the move. 4-8 with that Reno win isn't good. If they hit 6-6, he will have earned it. 5-7 or 4-8 and no big change in department finances? Let him stay and see what happens with a year in the new facilities.


EDIT: Further consideration - 5-7 is the spot, not 4-8. Disregard any 4-8 mention above

A little housekeeping first: App St is now out of the picture, having lost to GaSo last night.

As usual, @LocoRebel, you make enough sense to give me pause. From a purely between the lines, W-L, perspective, I'm still solidly of the mind that CTS goes after the season, no matter the results from here. He's been figured out by the rest of the conference and his staff, particularly S&C and QB, has been woeful. That said, if the funds are not available for an upgrade, then WTH are we doing? I think I'd rather have the continuity and hope for a breakthrough than bring in someone new who's not an upgrade, essentially CTS without the continuity.

Good lord, that sounds horrific! Hoping that DRF kept the boosters in her hip pocket when she hired Otz so that she could bust them out when it came time to hire a fb coach.

 

[LocoRebel]

Athletic doesn't matter to the UNLV President. That is why UNLV athletics sucks.

The only time the UNLV president pretends to care is when we play Reno. They put on their best suit or pants suit and go glad-hand the crowd and joke how they forced the scoreboard operators to display "UNR" as a funny joke. So long as no one important gives them angry phone calls about our performance the next day, they are happy no matter the outcome.

Beyond that, athletics is a liability and not an asset to them, the school or their careers.

It doesn't matter if we keep or fire Sanchez. He's not the big problem. He has worked hard to try to fix what problems he is capable of fixing, some he has, some he hasn't.

I read this like we are saying the same thing, but from the lens of the administration rather than from the lens of the coaching staff. You know who has a university president that I enjoy? Boise State's Marlene Tromp. I don't know much about her, but I follow her on Twitter and she seems to be all over BSU's athletics programs. Not sure how academic folks feel about her, or even within athletics if she's the real deal, but she seems like a good person for the president role at university.

He's been figured out by the rest of the conference and his staff, particularly S&C and QB, has been woeful. That said, if the funds are not available for an upgrade, then WTH are we doing? I think I'd rather have the continuity and hope for a breakthrough than bring in someone new who's not an upgrade, essentially CTS without the continuity.

Interesting to me that those two positions, S&C and QB couldn't be more different, yet are still problems.

S&C has had three different head guys in the sanchez era. Belton (who left for USC and has since joined Les Miles at Kansas), Eaton (who is now at Purdue), and Manuel (who I don't know much about, just that he was at Gorman before UNLV).

QB is one of exactly two assistant coaches who have been there from the beginning of the Sanchez era (O'dell is one, WR coach Cormier is the other).

Regarding S&C and QB, the inconsistencies in performance in those two places maybe show either inability to identify a good hire for the position or show an inability to make a good hire. Might show neither, just an observation.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

A little housekeeping first: App St is now out of the picture, having lost to GaSo last night.

As usual, @LocoRebel, you make enough sense to give me pause. From a purely between the lines, W-L, perspective, I'm still solidly of the mind that CTS goes after the season, no matter the results from here. He's been figured out by the rest of the conference and his staff, particularly S&C and QB, has been woeful. That said, if the funds are not available for an upgrade, then WTH are we doing? I think I'd rather have the continuity and hope for a breakthrough than bring in someone new who's not an upgrade, essentially CTS without the continuity.

Good lord, that sounds horrific! Hoping that DRF kept the boosters in her hip pocket when she hired Otz so that she could bust them out when it came time to hire a fb coach.

With four games left I hate that this is a discussion. Reality is if they were 4-4 we would be discussing how they had a legitimate chance to reach bowl eligibility. At 2-6 it's hard to see them pulling off 4 straight, so here we are...

The idea that UNLV is going to have the money to poach a solid FBS coach away from somebody seems like a long shot.

Much like the basketball search, UNLV has a relatively small pond to fish out from.

They could go FCS route.
They could go coordinator route.
They could go retread route.

Based on the basketball search, AD appears to be looking for younger coaches who are trending up.

The facilities and stadium make this a far more attractive job. Money will still be an issue.

The dilema is.....

FCS route won't excite anybody. Memories of Hauck era still fresh.

Coordinator might get people talking if its from a good program.

Retread route like a Brady Hoke would seem like a good hire having familiarity with the conference. But he doesn't fit 'younger coach' profile. Nor would most guys looking for a bounce back job.

There most like isn't a name in UNLV's price range that would excite or get casual fans interested.

Doesn't mean they would fail or may not be good options...Just not going to help improve attendance numbers by attracting new fans.

So you are faced with making a hire that doesn't really excite anybody, or potentially retaining a guy coming off a 5th straight losing season, which also doesn't get anybody excited.

Not an enviable position to be in..

If he's retained with 4 wins or less, it's the athletic department waving the proverbial white flag.

 

[drmontehorne_a_yahoo.com]

unr is a really bad team, so a win over unr would pull no weight with me in regards to keeping Sanchez. The only fair way to consider keeping him is if he wins out!

Agreed.

 

[BleedRebelRed90]

As of today the new most likely scenario for Sanchez remaining would be the departure of AD Desiree Reed-Francois to Cincinnati to replace AD Mike Bohn who supposedly is now USC's AD. DRF was interim AD at Cincinnati and departed Cincy when Mike Bohn was hired as AD.

If we lost our AD in the next few weeks we would not be in a good position to hire a coach any time soon.

 

[LocoRebel]

Doesn't mean they would fail or may not be good options...Just not going to help improve attendance numbers by attracting new fans.

So you are faced with making a hire that doesn't really excite anybody, or potentially retaining a guy coming off a 5th straight losing season, which also doesn't get anybody excited.

Not an enviable position to be in..

If he's retained with 4 wins or less, it's the athletic department waving the proverbial white flag.

Nail, meet head.

As of today the new most likely scenario for Sanchez remaining would be the departure of AD Desiree Reed-Francois to Cincinnati to replace AD Mike Bohn who supposedly is now USC's AD. DRF was interim AD at Cincinnati and departed Cincy when Mike Bohn was hired as AD.

If we lost our AD in the next few weeks we would not be in a good position to hire a coach any time soon.

In spite of seeing the Bohn news, I hadn't put together that DRF might be a candidate for their opening. That's not good. The current president was NOT the president while she was AD, so there's that. I think it may be a little early for them to bring her in... that said she'd have to be on the list I assume. I don't know enough other folks on that list, but she has one significant hire and 0 wins for her hires. I can't see them offering her when there are well-run departments across the country with ADs who would leave for Cinci and associate ADs who would love that bump. Definitely in the conversation though.

 

[rebelzzz]

It's like a never ending drama. So Cincinnati hire someone else as their athletic director then all of a sudden that other school has an opening and now drf is linked to that job and so on and so on.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Nail, meet head.




In spite of seeing the Bohn news, I hadn't put together that DRF might be a candidate for their opening. That's not good. The current president was NOT the president while she was AD, so there's that. I think it may be a little early for them to bring her in... that said she'd have to be on the list I assume. I don't know enough other folks on that list, but she has one significant hire and 0 wins for her hires. I can't see them offering her when there are well-run departments across the country with ADs who would leave for Cinci and associate ADs who would love that bump. Definitely in the conversation though.

Personally, I'd rather roll the dice, go a different route. After 5 losing seasons (potentially) and little noticeable improvement, I'm due for my routine excitement injection.

Needed one after Sanford. Needed one after Hauck...Looks like I may be needing one again.

I totally get the argument, if there isn't money to invest then why not give him another year and see what happens.

But accepting mediocre results and retaining because we can't do better is a tough pill to swallow.

 

[BleedRebelRed90]

It's like a never ending drama. So Cincinnati hire someone else as their athletic director then all of a sudden that other school has an opening and now drf is linked to that job and so on and so on.

No, DRF is linked to the Cincy position because she held that position previously in an interim role, prior to current Cincy AD being hired. The "DRF to Cincy" chatter started yesterday, before it was obvious that it was because Bohn would be hired away by USC.

If DRF had any interest in the position, or just interest in getting some leverage for her standing at UNLV, Cincinnati would be in a position to have to consider her, at least publicly. She was a trailblazer at Cincy, accomplishing firsts by breaking the mold of who holds such a position.

Another mention from a few hours ago:

BearcatJournal.com @BearcatJournal
Couple possible candidates that make a lot of sense for multiple reasons are UNLV AD Desiree Reed-Francois and Youngstown St. Jim Tressel. Position will no doubt be highly sought after, a lot of very good things already in place.
1:05 PM · Nov 1, 2019

 

[rebneck]

"Thank you for coming to see us at Big $tate U. Ms. Reed-Francois. What have you accomplished during your short time as athletics director at UNLV?"

"I'm proud to say I've broken down many gender... oh, wait, somebody beat me to that. I fired the basketball coach."

"That's a major decision. How has the replacement worked out?"

"Well, he's 1-0 in exhibitions, and he's great in a caravan."

"So, not much to go on, there. UNLV has struggled in football for most of its D1 life. What plans do you have to turn the program around?"

"I have a proven record of firing people. I thought I'd do that to the head football coach."

"Bold move. You must have a short list of potential replacements."

"As far as anyone knows, I do. But I'm keeping that close to the vest just in case I can convince a bigger school that I'm more than just a pretty face. Then the list goes with me. That way people will think I really have everything together when, in fact, I've shown nothing of the sort."

"Thank you for your time, Ms. Reed-Francois. Before we go, is there anything else you'd like to say?"

"Yes, there is one thing... Get me the hell outta here!"