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Since UNLV is already at 6 losses, what do you think Coach Sanchez has to do to be retained.

6-6 Make bowl.
6-6 But no bowl.
5-7 Beat Reno.
5-7 Reno Loss.
4-8 Beat Reno.
4-8 Reno Loss.
3-9 Beat Reno.
3-9 Reno Loss
2-10 He should be back no matter what.

Personally 6-6 and bowl invite.

Reasonable arguments can be made 6-6 no bowl bid.

5-7 Beat Reno, I could see some arguments. Slow start, started a freshman QB 2nd half of season. Won 4 of last six. Winning record second half of season. For me this would be contingent on no blow out loss, and defense has to be playing noticeably better.

5-7 Lose to Reno. Nope. Can't be 2-3 vs Rival. Would be 2nd time in three years losing to Reno in a must win to go bowling scenario.

4-8 or less....No valid arguments in my opinion.
 
Since UNLV is already at 6 losses, what do you think Coach Sanchez has to do to be retained.

6-6 Make bowl.
6-6 But no bowl.
5-7 Beat Reno.
5-7 Reno Loss.
4-8 Beat Reno.
4-8 Reno Loss.
3-9 Beat Reno.
3-9 Reno Loss
2-10 He should be back no matter what.

Personally 6-6 and bowl invite.

Reasonable arguments can be made 6-6 no bowl bid.

5-7 Beat Reno, I could see some arguments. Slow start, started a freshman QB 2nd half of season. Won 4 of last six. Winning record second half of season. For me this would be contingent on no blow out loss, and defense has to be playing noticeably better.

5-7 Lose to Reno. Nope. Can't be 2-3 vs Rival. Would be 2nd time in three years losing to Reno in a must win to go bowling scenario.

4-8 or less....No valid arguments in my opinion.
I’m not going to go crazy nuts if he’s retained, regardless of how he finishes out the season, but I just think we pass the breaking point with another loss. But if he goes winless here on out and they keep him, what can you say? I won’t rejoice if that happens but I’m not going to cry about it either.

With another loss, I don’t think there are valid arguments. It’ll be five full years....
 
unr is a really bad team, so a win over unr would pull no weight with me in regards to keeping Sanchez. The only fair way to consider keeping him is if he wins out!
 
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I’m not going to go crazy nuts if he’s retained, regardless of how he finishes out the season, but I just think we pass the breaking point with another loss. But if he goes winless here on out and they keep him, what can you say? I won’t rejoice if that happens but I’m not going to cry about it either.

With another loss, I don’t think there are valid arguments. It’ll be five full years....

Here's where I am at.

I've become the fan I always tried not to be.

I'll listen to arguments for retaining him at 5-7.

Anything less, its basically saying they have no answers, no plans other than put all their eggs in the stadium basket. Just shut up and give us your money. If it doesn't get better we don't care, we just want your money, and we know we'll get it because you are a sucker.
 
unr is a really bad team, so a win over unr would pull no weight with me in regards to keeping Sanchez. The only fair way to consider keeping him is if he wins out!

They are not very good. And yet currently have more wins than UNLV.

But 3-2 over rival is a plus. I wouldn't be thrilled about it, but I get it.

Lose to Reno regardless of record..

I'll add a caveat to this.

If SJSU finishes with the same or a better record than UNLV I don't want to hear any arguments for retention. (Barring both somehow being bowl eligible)

They just announced a facility, have similar money issues and their coach is only in year three.

Kindly take any argument to retain somewhere else if that scenario plays out.
 
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They are not very good. And yet currently have more wins than UNLV.

But 3-2 over rival is a plus. I wouldn't be thrilled about it, but I get it.

Lose to Reno regardless of record..

I'll add a caveat to this.

If SJSU finishes with the same or a better record than UNLV I don't want to hear any arguments for retention. (Barring both somehow being bowl eligible)

They just announced a facility, have similar money issues and their coach is only in year three.

Kindly take any argument to retain somewhere else if that scenario plays out.
But, but, but!!!!

It’s a slow build. He’s doing it the right way. In year seven, we WILL see dividends beyond our wildest dreams, not quite as lofty as the Heart of Texas Bowl but it will still be pretty good! Give the guy a chance! Did you see the situation he inherited? Have a heart, dude! You’re just a straight hater!

You haven’t been fair. You spewed stuff last season and this season isn’t even done! What part of slow growth don’t you understand? Your mind was made up way too early and now it’s just haterade. You’re an anti-Rebel.
 
But, but, but!!!!

It’s a slow build. He’s doing it the right way. In year seven, we WILL see dividends beyond our wildest dreams, not quite as lofty as the Heart of Texas Bowl but it will still be pretty good! Give the guy a chance! Did you see the situation he inherited? Have a heart, dude! You’re just a straight hater!

You haven’t been fair. You spewed stuff last season and this season isn’t even done! What part of slow growth don’t you understand? Your mind was made up way too early and now it’s just haterade. You’re an anti-Rebel.

I'm fine with slow growth.

I was cool with 3-4-5 win trajectory. It might have been slow, but it was growth.

Drop back down to 4 was concerning. Had they leveled out at 5 no problem. Had they dropped back to four but the games were competitive sure. Just a bump in the road. But when you look at who they lost to and the margin they lost a lot of games last season...If was a huge step back.

This looks a lot like last year. Another step back when in year 5 you should be making considerable progress.

Run the table or go 3-1 down the stretch. Sure.

2-2 or less. No..

4-8 with supposedly your deepest team and coming off your 3 best recruiting years in school history. Not good enough.

There's that old joke/sign in bars that reads 'Free Beer Tomorrow'. People keep coming back on the promise of free beer but the sign always says tomorrow.
 
6-6 but no bowl would be okay with me. 3 of the last 4 teams we play are pretty bad but still closing out 4-0 would impress me. Last time UNLV won 4 straight vs FBS opponents was JRob in 2000.

It's year 5 now. A 5-7 season for his 5th straight losing season would not justify a reason for year 6 in my opinion. This years schedule was maybe a litter tougher than the previous (and that's debatable) but there were still 6 or 7 wins available if the team was progressing.

If he's brought back at 5-7 with a UNR win I guess I won't lose any sleep over it. I'll still be excited about next season and Cal on 8/29/20 in Allegiant Stadium. However, if he's retained with any less than that? Well then DRF would kill off all my excitement for next year.
 
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6-6 but no bowl would be okay with me. 3 of the last 4 teams we play are pretty bad but still closing out 4-0 would impress me. Last time UNLV won 4 straight vs FBS opponents was JRob in 2000.

It's year 5 now. A 5-7 season for his 5th straight losing season would not justify a reason for year 6 in my opinion. This years schedule was maybe a litter tougher than the previous (and that's debatable) but there were still 6 or 7 wins available if the team was progressing.

If he's brought back at 5-7 with a UNR win I guess I won't lose any sleep over it. I'll still be excited about next season and Cal on 8/29/20 in Allegiant Stadium. However, if he's retained with any less than that? Well then DRF would kill off all my excitement for next year.

That's right about where I'm at.

If they are strictly banking on the new stadium being enough, it's extremely shortsighted.

New car smell wears off pretty quick if these type of results on the field continue.

It's doubtful UNLV can make a hire that puts an extra 5 or 10k in seats next year.

But, any new hire would at least create some curiosity on top of people going to see the new stadium. More than coming off another losing season would.

This was viewed as the softest part of the schedule and every team left has a better record than UNLV.

3 of the 4 remaining teams are 2 wins away from eligibility. Even CSU isn't out of it at 3-5. But their schedule to end the season is brutal. Wyo, Air Force and Boise after us.
 
They are not very good. And yet currently have more wins than UNLV.

But 3-2 over rival is a plus. I wouldn't be thrilled about it, but I get it.

Lose to Reno regardless of record..

I'll add a caveat to this.

If SJSU finishes with the same or a better record than UNLV I don't want to hear any arguments for retention. (Barring both somehow being bowl eligible)

They just announced a facility, have similar money issues and their coach is only in year three.

Kindly take any argument to retain somewhere else if that scenario plays out.

SJSU has WAY more problems than UNLV. They've talked about shutting that program down or at the very least kicking them out of the MWC. It's pretty embarrassing how they have absolutely owned UNLV. I mean this is the one program that we should be at least .500 against.

I'm against in season firings but if CTS goes 1-4 vs them he should be fired that night. Maybe give him the Hauck treatment were you let him finish the season but it's announced ahead of time that UNR will be his last game.

Reno too- I guess it's the last game of the season so it's moot but under no circumstance should he be retained if we lose to UNR either.
 
SJSU has WAY more problems than UNLV. They've talked about shutting that program down or at the very least kicking them out of the MWC. It's pretty embarrassing how they have absolutely owned UNLV. I mean this is the one program that we should be at least .500 against.

I'm against in season firings but if CTS goes 1-4 vs them he should be fired that night. Maybe give him the Hauck treatment were you let him finish the season but it's announced ahead of time that UNR will be his last game.

Reno too- I guess it's the last game of the season so it's moot but under no circumstance should he be retained if we lose to UNR either.


An in season firing accomplishes nothing. I agree.

You could argue Sanford after a rough first three season was making some progress.

His year 4 team was very close to bowl eligibility and had some nice wins. Lost three games they were leading late. Year 5 not as much, but it was back to back 5 win seasons.

It's not the losses for me, it's that the games aside from SDSU, haven't been competitive after halftime.
 
I think it really depends on who they can line up as a potential replacement. IMO, if you’re going to let him go for going 6-6 or even 5-7, the replacement has to be someone with name recognition. Hire a FCS coach or unknown assistant from a different region of the country, you might as well stick with TS.

Having said that, I believe he is already gone at the end of the year regardless of outcome from this point forward.
 
I'm fine with slow growth.

I was cool with 3-4-5 win trajectory. It might have been slow, but it was growth.

Drop back down to 4 was concerning. Had they leveled out at 5 no problem. Had they dropped back to four but the games were competitive sure. Just a bump in the road. But when you look at who they lost to and the margin they lost a lot of games last season...If was a huge step back.

This looks a lot like last year. Another step back when in year 5 you should be making considerable progress.

Run the table or go 3-1 down the stretch. Sure.

2-2 or less. No..

4-8 with supposedly your deepest team and coming off your 3 best recruiting years in school history. Not good enough.

There's that old joke/sign in bars that reads 'Free Beer Tomorrow'. People keep coming back on the promise of free beer but the sign always says tomorrow.
And did lackluster recruiting play into your negative outlook along the way too? Did that impact the way you saw things?
 
The only way I think he should even be considered he brought back so he goes six and six. Anything less he should be let go as soon as the UNR games over. and I can tell you right now there's no way he's going to run the table finish 6 and 6. I think he will be lucky to finish 3 & 9.
 
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I think we've all seen enough. No retention. That ship has sailed. Good luck, Tony.
 
I think it really depends on who they can line up as a potential replacement. IMO, if you’re going to let him go for going 6-6 or even 5-7, the replacement has to be someone with name recognition. Hire a FCS coach or unknown assistant from a different region of the country, you might as well stick with TS.

Having said that, I believe he is already gone at the end of the year regardless of outcome from this point forward.

Agree with different region part.

FCS has been a tough jump to FBS. There have been some guys that have done well. Harbaugh, Bohl doing pretty well at Wyoming, Brian Kelly and Tressel was an FCS guy I believe.

But it's not easy. You may see Jay Hill of Weber State name is to pop up if Sanchez is unable to get to 5-6 wins. Done a good job there. Is familiar with the region.

Coordinator would have to have regional recruiting ties. Guy's have to start somewhere. Doubtful UNLV can poach another FBS coach away unless there is some money laying about.

Coordinator seems like a more likely route. But who knows...
 
And did lackluster recruiting play into your negative outlook along the way too? Did that impact the way you saw things?

Lackluster recruiting from Sanchez?

Not really. I think he has recruited pretty well. He had one huge miss in 2016. He's struggled to get enough guys on the defensive side of the ball.

I think there is enough talent though that they should be better than they they are now.

I think the recruiting overall has been better than it has been, but maybe not as good as some tried to hype it.

He hasn't landed many impact JUCO guys. That has hurt.
 
I think it really depends on who they can line up as a potential replacement. IMO, if you’re going to let him go for going 6-6 or even 5-7, the replacement has to be someone with name recognition. Hire a FCS coach or unknown assistant from a different region of the country, you might as well stick with TS.

Having said that, I believe he is already gone at the end of the year regardless of outcome from this point forward.

6-6 he stays.

5-7 maybe. Not if the loss is Reno though.
 
DRF wants to leave for an up grade as soon as possible. The only thing standing in her way is Tony Sanchez.
 
DRF wants to leave for an up grade as soon as possible. The only thing standing in her way is Tony Sanchez.

Yeah, I don't think it's any secret her name has been attached to other jobs.

I know it's not likely the Rebs reach bowl eligibility at this point but if they did, that would be a bad look to fire him.

Worst possible scenario for her would be 6-6 but no invite like Wyoming last year.

Then what do you do?
 
Lackluster recruiting from Sanchez?

Not really. I think he has recruited pretty well. He had one huge miss in 2016. He's struggled to get enough guys on the defensive side of the ball.

I think there is enough talent though that they should be better than they they are now.

I think the recruiting overall has been better than it has been, but maybe not as good as some tried to hype it.

He hasn't landed many impact JUCO guys. That has hurt.
A huge miss, as you call it, impacts more than one season.
 
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Recruiting was decent but player development is lacking. Our guys don't seem to get better here, they just are and you don't have to look any further than the 32 rosters in the league right now.

Who does UNLV have on a roster getting any playing time in the NFL?
 
A huge miss, as you call it, impacts more than one season.

It has...

He only has three guys left on defense from the 16' class and they've struggled move up the depth chart.

On the flip side they've found some under the radar guys like Lex and Woods who contributed on offense. Charles Williams has been good. Offensive line has been solid.

Inability to bring in impact JUCO guys has hurt.
 
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It has...

He only has three guys left on defense from the 16' class and they've struggled move up the depth chart.

On the flip side they've found some under the radar guys like Lex and Woods who contributed on offense. Charles Williams has been good. Offensive line has been solid.

Inability to bring in impact JUCO guys has hurt.
So, let me get this straight .....

In spite of the crappy history and his starting point at UNLV, you didn’t have much optimism and haven’t for awhile. The on field results haven’t instilled confidence. Further hurting any confidence was recruiting, which left difficult voids.

And because of that, short of a near impossible finish for the team, you think he shouldn’t be retained. In fact, you were more than ready to cut ties last season.

Is that correct?

You are an extremist hater. What you’ve offered is an unfair standard. You can’t be a fan.

You know where I’m going with this......
 
So, let me get this straight .....

In spite of the crappy history and his starting point at UNLV, you didn’t have much optimism and haven’t for awhile. The on field results haven’t instilled confidence. Further hurting any confidence was recruiting, which left difficult voids.

And because of that, short of a near impossible finish for the team, you think he shouldn’t be retained. In fact, you were more than ready to cut ties last season.

Is that correct?

You are an extremist hater. What you’ve offered is an unfair standard. You can’t be a fan.

You know where I’m going with this......

Yep.

It's my fault.

And the fault of all fans that think if they fail to make a bowl a change is probably in order.
 
Yep.

It's my fault.

And the fault of all fans that think if they fail to make a bowl a change is probably in order.
It’s 100 percent you. You’re the biggest UNLV football fan I know. And you are so powerful in the position of biggest UNLV football fan that your negative objectivity (yeah, sounds stupid) trumps the program and the football gods. And you are chasing other die fans away. The bad football isn’t chasing them away, it’s completely your well founded negative outlook. The fans ARE NOT sick of losing - they are sick of YOU!

Damn it! Haven’t you learned yet!? Candy coat the living hell out of anything negative and at least have the friggin common decency to make it look like unicorns and rainbows. You HAVE to keep up the illusion of grandeur and the brightest days ever at the forefront, otherwise, you, my friend, are a very bad person who is the sole reason for non achievement.

Remember, honesty IS NOT the best policy.
 
It’s 100 percent you. You’re the biggest UNLV football fan I know. And you are so powerful in the position of biggest UNLV football fan that your negative objectivity (yeah, sounds stupid) trumps the program and the football gods. And you are chasing other die fans away. The bad football isn’t chasing them away, it’s completely your well founded negative outlook. The fans ARE NOT sick of losing - they are sick of YOU!

Damn it! Haven’t you learned yet!? Candy coat the living hell out of anything negative and at least have the friggin common decency to make it look like unicorns and rainbows. You HAVE to keep up the illusion of grandeur and the brightest days ever at the forefront, otherwise, you, my friend, are a very bad person who is the sole reason for non achievement.

Remember, honesty IS NOT the best policy.


Worst Super Power ever...
 
You don’t cut off your nose despite your face by firing TS now. You let him finish the season and then tell him “thank you” before handing him the pink slip.

A short-sighted firing around this stage pisses off a potentially huge donor (Fertitta). If he can remain with the program beyond CTS’s tenure then you sacrifice 3 games to appease him.
 
6-6 but no bowl would be okay with me. 3 of the last 4 teams we play are pretty bad but still closing out 4-0 would impress me. Last time UNLV won 4 straight vs FBS opponents was JRob in 2000.

Any possibility of a bowl died Saturday with the loss to SDSU. When we speak of 6-6 and "bowl eligibility" it now means 6-6 and no bowl. At this point UNLV is theoretically battling for the 6th MWC bowl spot so (in addition to finishing 4-0) the following would need to happen: Hawaii must finish no better than 1-4 to end up 6-7 (Hawaii scheduled 13 games); Fresno St must finish no better than 2-3; SJSU must finish no better than 1-3; UNR must finish no better than 1-3; and CSU must finish no better than 2-2. So the four other MWC-West teams can only have a combined five wins between them the rest of the season, so it's a problem that there are four games on the schedule where these teams play each other - that assures four of those five wins. The greater problem for UNLV's bowl chances is that with all of those teams finishing flat there is no way that going 4-0 against CSU, Reno, Hawaii, and SJSU would earn the Rebs a computer ranking good enough to be bowl-worthy.

But 6-6 and no bowl and I would definitely favor giving Sanchez one more year.

Going 4-0 against our remaining schedule would double the number of career wins CTS has against coaches that he has faced at least once previously. That would be growth.
 
For some reason, I like our chances in Reno..

I don’t care if we go winless leading up to Reno..
 
Any possibility of a bowl died Saturday with the loss to SDSU. When we speak of 6-6 and "bowl eligibility" it now means 6-6 and no bowl. At this point UNLV is theoretically battling for the 6th MWC bowl spot so (in addition to finishing 4-0) the following would need to happen: Hawaii must finish no better than 1-4 to end up 6-7 (Hawaii scheduled 13 games); Fresno St must finish no better than 2-3; SJSU must finish no better than 1-3; UNR must finish no better than 1-3; and CSU must finish no better than 2-2. So the four other MWC-West teams can only have a combined five wins between them the rest of the season, so it's a problem that there are four games on the schedule where these teams play each other - that assures four of those five wins. The greater problem for UNLV's bowl chances is that with all of those teams finishing flat there is no way that going 4-0 against CSU, Reno, Hawaii, and SJSU would earn the Rebs a computer ranking good enough to be bowl-worthy.

But 6-6 and no bowl and I would definitely favor giving Sanchez one more year.

Going 4-0 against our remaining schedule would double the number of career wins CTS has against coaches that he has faced at least once previously. That would be growth.

6-6 no bowl might be the most unappealing outcome possible. (Actually the worst would be 5-7 losing to Reno ending any possible bowl chances)

One thing that could possibly get them in would be another conference not fulfilling bowl slots.

Right now...

SDSU, Wyoming, Boise, Air Force are in. Boise likely doesn't get a New Years day bowl unless SMU stumbles. So that leaves two spots for:

Utah State (likely to get 6)

Hawaii like you said needs 7 because of 13th game. But probably gets there.

Fresno is in trouble. Schedule is rough to end the year.

SJSU also has a tough schedule to end season. Getting to six will be difficult.

Reno has been struggling and may find getting to 6 difficult.

I agree, 6-6 and no bowl while an unappealing prospect is enough to retain him.
 
DRF doesnt have the stones to make big decisions - he will stay no matter what. If she does end up canning CTS, so be it. But we will hire a coach of similar caliber to Otz - meaning dont expect any big names, and prepare to get destroyed in 2020-2021-but what else is new? Nothing matters
 
DRF doesnt have the stones to make big decisions - he will stay no matter what. If she does end up canning CTS, so be it. But we will hire a coach of similar caliber to Otz - meaning dont expect any big names, and prepare to get destroyed in 2020-2021-but what else is new? Nothing matters
I find this take to be extremely plausible. Track record says it will be true though nobody wants to hear it. Maybe we fluke out. We did fluke out with a football stadium, but I feel that’s our only chance, some saving grace fluke.

And this isn’t DRF’s fault alone, nor Tina, nor Hamrick.... each could have certainly “done more” but it’s a collective (lack of) effort back to Tark’s ouster. Presidents and AD’s. They slaughtered the cash cow, Tark made it look easy so they thought it was easy, then they learned it was hard work and wanted no part of it, not the effort part, yes to the paycheck part... and let the successes and money and glory of the past be the only fuel until the ride runs out of gas.....
 
Since UNLV is already at 6 losses, what do you think Coach Sanchez has to do to be retained.

5-7, beat Reno.

The biggest problem I have with firing Sanchez isn't firing Sanchez. It's how much money they can and will pay a new coach if Sanchez is fired. If they aren't willing or able to put up more than 800k (I'd say maybe more like 1.2-1.3k), it's understandable to not fire him since it's unlikely to find a good coach who would be willing to come here at that salary. If they are paying 650 or 700 again, keep Sanchez and let the market continue to shift. In my opinion, there's not an obvious guy that UNLV can just go hire and maybe be off to the races with what I expect to be their financial ball park.

If they have figured out how to get 1.5m for a head guy and a reasonable total for staff, then by all means make the move. 4-8 with that Reno win isn't good. If they hit 6-6, he will have earned it. 5-7 or 4-8 and no big change in department finances? Let him stay and see what happens with a year in the new facilities.


EDIT: Further consideration - 5-7 is the spot, not 4-8. Disregard any 4-8 mention above :)
 
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Boise likely doesn't get a New Years day bowl unless SMU stumbles.

Just to point this out, SMU still plays at Memphis and at Navy. They also just eeked out a win at Houston. Also ECU (meh) and Tulane (losses are Auburn, Memphis, Navy, all roadies). I doubt SMU wins out. If they do, they will have earned the spot.

App State is also ahead of BSU in the rankings and plays a much weaker schedule. They do play South Carolina, who is down this year, in a couple weeks. It's App State who I'm more concerned about taking BSU potential NYD Bowl.
 
Just to point this out, SMU still plays at Memphis and at Navy. They also just eeked out a win at Houston. Also ECU (meh) and Tulane (losses are Auburn, Memphis, Navy, all roadies). I doubt SMU wins out. If they do, they will have earned the spot.

App State is also ahead of BSU in the rankings and plays a much weaker schedule. They do play South Carolina, who is down this year, in a couple weeks. It's App State who I'm more concerned about taking BSU potential NYD Bowl.

App State definitely in the mix. Another candidate is SDSU. If they finish with one loss and a win over Boise State in title game they could get in there as well.
 
5-7, beat Reno.

The biggest problem I have with firing Sanchez isn't firing Sanchez. It's how much money they can and will pay a new coach if Sanchez is fired. If they aren't willing or able to put up more than 800k (I'd say maybe more like 1.2-1.3k), it's understandable to not fire him since it's unlikely to find a good coach who would be willing to come here at that salary. If they are paying 650 or 700 again, keep Sanchez and let the market continue to shift. In my opinion, there's not an obvious guy that UNLV can just go hire and maybe be off to the races with what I expect to be their financial ball park.

If they have figured out how to get 1.5m for a head guy and a reasonable total for staff, then by all means make the move. 4-8 with that Reno win isn't good. If they hit 6-6, he will have earned it. 5-7 or 4-8 and no big change in department finances? Let him stay and see what happens with a year in the new facilities.


EDIT: Further consideration - 5-7 is the spot, not 4-8. Disregard any 4-8 mention above :)

Totally understand the argument about money.

It stinks they are in that type of financial position.

There are a couple coordinator options out there that I think could do a good job. They are currently at a salary where 800k- 1m would be a solid bump in pay for them.

We'll see how it plays out. My preferred scenario is Sanchez winning out and somehow sneaking into a bowl.

5-7 while unappealing would be understandable. Agree though, anything less would be throwing your hands up and admitting you have no plan, no money and are ok with mediocre results.

It's not the losing that has been my biggest issue, it's the margin they are losing by. (SDSU aside) Especially in conference. The losing sucks obviously, but not being competitive on the scoreboard is even worse. If it were a bunch of one score games you could say 'hey we're close' but way too many 20+ point losses.
 
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