UNLV offer list!

[rebel5280]

Drake had to do more with chemistry and coaching than talent.

I don’t know, Stirtze is pretty talented!
He’s at Iowa now and that’s a lot of above the MWC!

I think they would do good in the MWC if Josh was coaching them. Any of those players would be good enough to start on any team in our conference, minus McCollum!

 

[Rebel_Luv]

 

[bcvegaspt2]

We are investing an extraordinary sum into football, the athletic program that rules the world right now.

We are still making an investment into basketball, but we aren’t selling our souls to make it our focus while neglecting football.

Our priorities are in order.

 

[rebel5280]

We are investing an extraordinary sum into football, the athletic program that rules the world right now.

We are still making an investment into basketball, but we aren’t selling our souls to make it our focus while neglecting football.

Our priorities are in order.

UNLV can have both but football should rule the roost. However this fact does not mean we can’t be successful in basketball too!

 

[LVRebel2000]

We are investing an extraordinary sum into football, the athletic program that rules the world right now.

We are still making an investment into basketball, but we aren’t selling our souls to make it our focus while neglecting football.

Our priorities are in order.

I agree with that sentiment. As of right now, in order to 'hopefully' break through in the next round of expansion, football is #1. We don't want to completely neglect other sports, but it will have a bigger impact for UNLV to be ranked consistently in the football top 25 vs the basketball top 25, in terms of expansion.

 

[unlv7163]

We are investing an extraordinary sum into football, the athletic program that rules the world right now.

We are still making an investment into basketball, but we aren’t selling our souls to make it our focus while neglecting football.

Our priorities are in order.

Agree with this as well. Football is what drives the whole athletic department. Men’s basketball is a distant second. Don’t need to look any further than conference alignment to see just how true that it and where we are in 2025

 

[Rebel_Luv]

Plain and simple we are never ever ever going to be anything until we get into the P4. This year just proves it. There will probably be all TOP 4 seeds in the final 4. Now that the schools can start to share TV revenue with the players it takes it to a absurd advantage. IM talking about BB. FB im happy if we can keep things more of the same for NOW.

Then u get players like Copper Flagg( example) that act like they dont have a HUGE unfair advantage when playing most teams. I mean if i had a payroll of 5-8 million vs a team that has less than 700,000 how excited should i get knowing i have the best money can buy vs a team that not 1 player would see minutes on his squad.

 

[LVRebel2000]

Plain and simple we are never ever ever going to be anything until we get into the P4. This year just proves it. There will probably be all TOP 4 seeds in the final 4. Now that the schools can start to share TV revenue with the players it takes it to a absurd advantage. IM talking about BB. FB im happy if we can keep things more of the same for NOW.

Then u get players like Copper Flagg( example) that act like they dont have a HUGE unfair advantage when playing most teams. I mean if i had a payroll of 5-8 million vs a team that has less than 700,000 how excited should i get knowing i have the best money can buy vs a team that not 1 player would see minutes on his squad.

Right. And 5-8 million isn't even in the top right now. Isn't BYU paying one guy like $20 million next season? It's insane that some college players are making more than almost all NBA players, except for the top players and all stars.

The only good thing that could come from this is that it may incentivize players to stay in college longer, like back in the 80's and 90's. If you're not a sure fire first rounder, you can make a bunch of money as a college player. Then give the NBA a try after you've made your millions from playing in college.

 

[Rebel_Luv]

Right. And 5-8 million isn't even in the top right now. Isn't BYU paying one guy like $20 million next season? It's insane that some college players are making more than almost all NBA players, except for the top players and all stars.

The only good thing that could come from this is that it may incentivize players to stay in college longer, like back in the 80's and 90's. If you're not a sure fire first rounder, you can make a bunch of money as a college player. Then give the NBA a try after you've made your millions from playing in college.

Something has to be done. March Madness is going to be called March Usual Suspects. IM all for America values ,but they could put things in place to balance things out a bit.

 

[rebel5280]

I think Dybanstra is getting 7M, and I cannot stand the idea of YBU buying a championship next year!

 

[dcut03]

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What a terrible tweet.

How can you look at UNLV, a G5 team that is paying3.5 million for their football coach, and just raised the best NIL collective outside of the P4 ( reportedly), and just spent over a mil per year on average for a basketball coach, and say we are "scaling back" with athletics?

USF pays their football coach 2.5 mil a year, and Hogson's salary is not yet disclosed.

I gave a feeling the total "investment" in athletics may not tip the scales in USF's favor.

 

[Masked_rebel]

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I think he asked UNLV for a 5 million NIL commitment... Harper was very specific in his dollar amount of what he shrugged off a coach saying the need 5 million in his interview with Cofield the other day.

What a terrible tweet.

How can you look at UNLV, a G5 team that is paying3.5 million for their football coach, and just raised the best NIL collective outside of the P4 ( reportedly), and just spent over a mil per year on average for a basketball coach, and say we are "scaling back" with athletics?

USF pays their football coach 2.5 mil a year, and Hogson's salary is not yet disclosed.

I gave a feeling the total "investment" in athletics may not tip the scales in USF's favor.

Because our local media created an unnecessary firestorm around the universities finances in a push to keep Kevin Kruger and doubled down with allowing Hodgson to publicly use UNLV to get a better offer for NIL budget from USF while we hired Josh at a discount.. Its a perception and because of that perception this account can take a remark from a program that was leveraged by their new coach and make sensationalized remarks like "UNLV + other universities..." with 0 context and people will believe it.

 

[Rebel_Luv]

 

[rebel5280]

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The money being paid is no joke, a guy can keep moving until he gets the right number or be on a national championship roster or both!

 

[Rebel_Luv]

 

[Rosegreen1]

I think he asked UNLV for a 5 million NIL commitment... Harper was very specific in his dollar amount of what he shrugged off a coach saying the need 5 million in his interview with Cofield the other day.

Because our local media created an unnecessary firestorm around the universities finances in a push to keep Kevin Kruger and doubled down with allowing Hodgson to publicly use UNLV to get a better offer for NIL budget from USF while we hired Josh at a discount.. Its a perception and because of that perception this account can take a remark from a program that was leveraged by their new coach and make sensationalized remarks like "UNLV + other universities..." with 0 context and people will believe it.

That’s what I am saying, a guy with 2 CIT or CBI appearances is demanding a 5 million NIL fund. That is crazy stuff.

Pretty sure Harper laughed him off. Hodgson wasn’t a serious candidate.

 

[Masked_rebel]

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He's going to get a nice pay day at Kansas...

 

[Rebel_Luv]

 

[dcut03]

That’s what I am saying, a guy with 2 CIT or CBI appearances is demanding a 5 million NIL fund. That is crazy stuff.

Pretty sure Harper laughed him off. Hodgson wasn’t a serious candidate.

Wasn't serious?
It sure seemed like it was serious there. Partner is the fall back option.
You have a point about demanding NIL money with his resume but at the same time, maximizing NIL should be the goal regardless of coach. We can afford what we can afford. Maybe Pastner was willing to take a bit less and utilizing more available funds toward NIL? ( I know they are technically separate but so much of the finances come from booster that it is essentially the same money pool).

 

[Masked_rebel]

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Was absolutely terrible at the end of the year outside of his defensive effort. Couldn't hit a shot and turned the ball over way too much after getting his shot to play more. Fresh scenery might be good for him...
Also note the transfer vs who their lead recruiter was.. could be wrong but Ive seen it talked about that Peery might be returning on Pastner's staff...

 

[WarthogRebel]

There are around 12,000 people in the U.S. worth $ 500 million or more.

IMO, there are at most 150 top tier NCAA basketball players. ( 30 teams with 3 each and 20 teams with 2 each) About 25 of those are elite. ( first round picks - minus foreign selections ).

That is a huge amount of potential $$ chasing a very defined subgroup of people. That subgroup cannot be quickly expanded. Therefore the $$ will chase the players and we're nowhere near what will be paid in the future.

Programs and their boosters will need to decide if they are going to pay and play or just watch the real players from the sideline and complain.

 

[rebel5280]

Maybe the NIL is what is for both coaches, I don’t believe the NIL bank would have been more for Hodgson than it is for Pastner!

Fall back position?

I guess but more than likely there is no real difference between Pastner or Hodgson in Harper’s eyes.

I believe we got the right one!

 

[Masked_rebel]

Maybe the NIL is what is for both coaches, I don’t believe the NIL bank would have been more for Hodgson than it is for Pastner!

Fall back position?

I guess but more than likely there is no real difference between Pastner or Hodgson in Harper’s eyes.

I believe we got the right one!

If you listen to the interview, Harper believes that you can be competitive with a smaller budget by not over paying players, teaching fiscal responsibility, etc.. So there's that..

 

[RebelSoldat]

If you listen to the interview, Harper believes that you can be competitive with a smaller budget by not over paying players, teaching fiscal responsibility, etc.. So there's that..

Not sure if that theory will hold up but I guess you can't say "We're broke and we can't compete, and most of our efforts are being directed at football anyways"

 

[Rosegreen1]

Wasn't serious?
It sure seemed like it was serious there. Partner is the fall back option.
You have a point about demanding NIL money with his resume but at the same time, maximizing NIL should be the goal regardless of coach. We can afford what we can afford. Maybe Pastner was willing to take a bit less and utilizing more available funds toward NIL? ( I know they are technically separate but so much of the finances come from booster that it is essentially the same money pool).

Nobody linked to unlv could confirm the rumors, it was all innuendo from On3 and outside sources. Hodgson was leveraging the situation on USF. I don’t think he was a serious candidate, especially if he’s demanding 5 million NIL fund.

In fact Graney broke the Pastner to UNLV announcement.

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

I think he asked UNLV for a 5 million NIL commitment... Harper was very specific in his dollar amount of what he shrugged off a coach saying the need 5 million in his interview with Cofield the other day.

Because our local media created an unnecessary firestorm around the universities finances in a push to keep Kevin Kruger and doubled down with allowing Hodgson to publicly use UNLV to get a better offer for NIL budget from USF while we hired Josh at a discount.. Its a perception and because of that perception this account can take a remark from a program that was leveraged by their new coach and make sensationalized remarks like "UNLV + other universities..." with 0 context and people will believe it.

Yep my thought exactly. I think that comment is more about how we don't have money to pay Mullen. That is an example of investment vs cost. Harper should have explained this to the RJ like they are children or imbeciles...though the latter is very close to the truth.

 

[WarthogRebel]

If you listen to the interview, Harper believes that you can be competitive with a smaller budget by not over paying players, teaching fiscal responsibility, etc.. So there's that..

Harper needs to define "success".

 

[rebel5280]

Harper needs to define "success".

To who?

He knows the situation and I’m sure Pastner knows what the situation is so who else does he need to explain it to?

 

[WarthogRebel]

To who?

He knows the situation and I’m sure Pastner knows what the situation is so who else does he need to explain it to?

Anyone fan who realizes "teaching fiscal responsibility" will mean squat to an 19-20 year old. He needs season ticket holders and this answer isn't going to do it.

 

[rebel5280]

Anyone fan who realizes "teaching fiscal responsibility" will mean squat to an 19-20 year old. He needs season ticket holders and this answer isn't going to do it.

They have agents!
I think your expecting to much access, it isn’t our money!

 

[Masked_rebel]

Anyone fan who realizes "teaching fiscal responsibility" will mean squat to an 19-20 year old. He needs season ticket holders and this answer isn't going to do it.

I think he meant teaching coaches, lol.. like coaches asking for too large a budget need to learn how to do more with less, etc..

 

[Rebel1986]

There are around 12,000 people in the U.S. worth $ 500 million or more.

IMO, there are at most 150 top tier NCAA basketball players. ( 30 teams with 3 each and 20 teams with 2 each) About 25 of those are elite. ( first round picks - minus foreign selections ).

That is a huge amount of potential $$ chasing a very defined subgroup of people. That subgroup cannot be quickly expanded. Therefore the $$ will chase the players and we're nowhere near what will be paid in the future.

Programs and their boosters will need to decide if they are going to pay and play or just watch the real players from the sideline and complain.

Many more along the line of these players are not worth anything close to what Professional athletes are worth, and do not bring in the money to justify their pay!

 

[Casual_Fan55]

Many more along the line of these players are not worth anything close to what Professional athletes are worth, and do not bring in the money to justify their pay!

They are worth whatever someone is willing to pay 💰

 

[WarthogRebel]

They have agents!
I think your expecting to much access, it isn’t our money!

In the Cofield interview Harper scoffed at the concept of a $ 5 Million NIL. He twice mentioned not overpaying players. I would say the same if our NIL was 1/5 of the $ 5 Mil number or less.

Do some AI searches on " How Many NCAA Teams will pay $ 5 Million or more NIL.?" ( I tried Grok and Perplexity ) The answer comes up between 25-30. I understand there are people who feel you can get the players you need without "overpaying" them. Well, you don't need to overpay but you do need to pay what is needed. There are also people who point to diamonds in the rough as proof a coach can find players nobody else has found and ride them to glory. Yes, this does happen OCCASIONALLY, but not often at all. An almost never over and over again by the same coach.

It's clear to me the town is not going to support what will be needed to do better than what Boise is now. Every 5th year win the conference and go to the NCAA's every third year with a bad seed. ( then one and done) In the new MWC light we may often be in the top two in conference and go every other year to the NCAA's, but still bad seeds with one and done.

People who dream of 12,000 to 15,000 in the MACK need to realize we just don't have the financial support to make it happen.

 

[WarthogRebel]

Many more along the line of these players are not worth anything close to what Professional athletes are worth, and do not bring in the money to justify their pay!

Professional athletes have their salary capped.

 

[RebelScrub]

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Would be funny if we signed him..

 

[Pistol Pete 1]

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I wonder if he has heard from UNLV.

 

[dcut03]

In the Cofield interview Harper scoffed at the concept of a $ 5 Million NIL. He twice mentioned not overpaying players. I would say the same if our NIL was 1/5 of the $ 5 Mil number or less.

Do some AI searches on " How Many NCAA Teams will pay $ 5 Million or more NIL.?" ( I tried Grok and Perplexity ) The answer comes up between 25-30. I understand there are people who feel you can get the players you need without "overpaying" them. Well, you don't need to overpay but you do need to pay what is needed. There are also people who point to diamonds in the rough as proof a coach can find players nobody else has found and ride them to glory. Yes, this does happen OCCASIONALLY, but not often at all. An almost never over and over again by the same coach.

It's clear to me the town is not going to support what will be needed to do better than what Boise is now. Every 5th year win the conference and go to the NCAA's every third year with a bad seed. ( then one and done) In the new MWC light we may often be in the top two in conference and go every other year to the NCAA's, but still bad seeds with one and done.

People who dream of 12,000 to 15,000 in the MACK need to realize we just don't have the financial support to make it happen.

Harper may have a knee jerk reaction to the 23-24 season. I am pretty sure we had the biggest NIL in the league by far, and still didn't get over the hump.
In better hands we probably would have gone further, but he has seen at least a relatively high NIL for this level not working.
He is right that we need to be able to do more with less, because we simply cannot compete financially with the Power schools. Every other MW team that goes to the tournament ( which is a large percentage) and we don't can do more with less.

Which is funny that we went with Pastner who is known to do less with more, but he is a good face for the program, he will be able to fundraise himself which is needed.

I think Harper just wants the bball program to be good enough for a P4 invite. Sure fans help in that equation, but being a bubble team quality is more than enough for say the B12.

 

[j. spilotro]

Harper may have a knee jerk reaction to the 23-24 season. I am pretty sure we had the biggest NIL in the league by far, and still didn't get over the hump.
In better hands we probably would have gone further, but he has seen at least a relatively high NIL for this level not working.
He is right that we need to be able to do more with less, because we simply cannot compete financially with the Power schools. Every other MW team that goes to the tournament ( which is a large percentage) and we don't can do more with less.

Which is funny that we went with Pastner who is known to do less with more, but he is a good face for the program, he will be able to fundraise himself which is needed.

I think Harper just wants the bball program to be good enough for a P4 invite. Sure fans help in that equation, but being a bubble team quality is more than enough for say the B12.

It won’t be 5M, but it’ll be greater than 1/5th of that. Football will double out basketball amount.

 

[Rebel77fl2]

NIL budget is important, but means nothing without coaching. We can be successful in the MWC at $1-2M budget. Win conference a few years, make the tournament a few times and win a game or two and the NIL money will grow as needed to compete at higher levels.

Harper is right though in the sense throwing money at players does not guarantee success and is not sustainable without the foundation. You might get donors to pony up $5 or even $10M one year but if you flop that well is going to dry up fast. Starting slow, proving success is the way to build the NIL with less risk.

Florida built its team with transfers from Iona, Belmont, FAU and Washington State. Without being in the top half of NIL money this year in the SEC, now they have more donors providing and are expected to be third behind Arkansas and Kentucky next year. Coaching, moneyball evaluation (underpriced players to performance) is how teams need to build unless they can get a 10 year 100M commitment from donors and that doesn’t happen outside of Calipari at Arkansas.