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UC-Davis to MWC

The Pac-2 lawsuit, frivolous as it is, has exactly nothing to do with exit fees for UNLV or any other add'l MW team. The only connection is that if by some miracle the lawsuit is successful, pigs fly out my ass, hell freezes over and other similar events occur, the MW may be short on cash to pay UNLV its promised incentives for staying.

Of course that is a big connection and I guess Rose may be accurate that UNLV has a bargaining chip over their exit fee if the MW can't come up with their commitment.

Oh and to the topic, why the F would the MW ever come up with such as dumbass move to add a FB playing school in all sports but FB? Need to shore up participation in Women's Equestrian and Men's Soccer?
Now looking like NIU in football only, that is why. The PAC may be pushed into a corner with a much smaller footprint than the MWC. Also get to 12 teams and they can have conference championship game. If NIU comes look for Toledo and other from in the midwest to also consider again. Do not worry, I am sure NM State will be happy to join the PAC with the right incentive. As for pigs flying, I have seen it many times!
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Maybe they don't have the $5 million needed to make the jump. Maybe in the future.
Or their facilities are too limiting. Their football stadium only holds 10,000. To end up with a conference title there would be a disaster.
 
Or their facilities are too limiting. Their football stadium only holds 10,000. To end up with a conference title there would be a disaster.

They would have to increase stadium size, I thought there used to be a minimum seating capacity to be a BCS school. They definitely have the room to increase capacity at their current stadium. There is also a waiting period when you move up to BCS of I think 2 or maybe 3 seasons before you can make the post season so that would buy time to get facilities to where they’d need to be. If needed for some reason Sac St’s stadium which holds 21k is across town and has room to add bleachers like Sam Boyd did a few times and Cal’s Memorial Stadium is 60 miles away.
 
They would have to increase stadium size, I thought there used to be a minimum seating capacity to be a BCS school. They definitely have the room to increase capacity at their current stadium. There is also a waiting period when you move up to BCS of I think 2 or maybe 3 seasons before you can make the post season so that would buy time to get facilities to where they’d need to be. If needed for some reason Sac St’s stadium which holds 21k is across town and has room to add bleachers like Sam Boyd did a few times and Cal’s Memorial Stadium is 60 miles away.
The SEC and Big 10 already nixed us wanting to add an FCS team doesn't sound like that is changing near term. Though I don't know why the MWC would listen to them.
 
Was kinda surprised on this one.

Looked up UC Davis.

$2 billion endowment
40,000 student enrollment
Bay Area market
Ranked academically 33rd national university

We’ll see, but Davis has potential.
Quite a change from that boyzee trucker school. AAU and extremely difficult to get in. Their GPA average admittance is something like 4.13.
 
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Seems like the clock has started on our exit out of the MWC. You can sell the plan of being in this inferior conference for upfront money and a plan to Big 12. However if by the end of year two in this MWC 2.0 if we haven't gotten an invite to the Big 12 we'll be asking Pac 7 to take us. It's an all or nothing plan, I can go along with it but if Basketball and Football dip and we aren't invited being King of a shit conference won't be enough to keep my interest.
 
The Pac-2 lawsuit, frivolous as it is, has exactly nothing to do with exit fees for UNLV or any other add'l MW team. The only connection is that if by some miracle the lawsuit is successful, pigs fly out my ass, hell freezes over and other similar events occur, the MW may be short on cash to pay UNLV its promised incentives for staying.

Of course that is a big connection and I guess Rose may be accurate that UNLV has a bargaining chip over their exit fee if the MW can't come up with their commitment.

Oh and to the topic, why the F would the MW ever come up with such as dumbass move to add a FB playing school in all sports but FB? Need to shore up participation in Women's Equestrian and Men's Soccer?
is it too late for UNLV to join the PAC-2 because I have a feeling Reno will instead.

You guys should be on speed dial with them.
 
I guess getting into California matters that much, but we already have one Bay area school where no one cares about sports.
If our partners think it raises the value, then great. But they hisorically do not meet the "metrics" when in come to eyeballs that is for sure.
 
The Pac-2 lawsuit, frivolous as it is, has exactly nothing to do with exit fees for UNLV or any other add'l MW team. The only connection is that if by some miracle the lawsuit is successful, pigs fly out my ass, hell freezes over and other similar events occur, the MW may be short on cash to pay UNLV its promised incentives for staying.

Of course that is a big connection and I guess Rose may be accurate that UNLV has a bargaining chip over their exit fee if the MW can't come up with their commitment.

Oh and to the topic, why the F would the MW ever come up with such as dumbass move to add a FB playing school in all sports but FB? Need to shore up participation in Women's Equestrian and Men's Soccer?
Good point.

The promises made to UNLV were heavily influenced on poaching fees and exit fees. With once of the breakdowns it seems like they accounted for a good amount of exit fee negotiation with a distribution budget of about 110 mil, but I can see with negotations that number drop some more.

But if the poaching fees get reduced or even thrown out, then the MW will be in trouble. They will not have nearly enough money to make good on the numbers they promised. I don't think that would void any exit fees, but it void some.

Depending on who we hire, the Big 12 for us could be very much in play or a lost cause. Rolo? Kiss the Big12 goodbye.
 
I don't get adding Davis w. out FB. Makes zero sense. I played in bigger gyms in HS than Davis basketball has. Even Sac St. gym is maybe worthy of a JC school. Great school, love Davis. Not getting this though. If anything add them as FB only.
 
I don't get adding Davis w. out FB. Makes zero sense. I played in bigger gyms in HS than Davis basketball has. Even Sac St. gym is maybe worthy of a JC school. Great school, love Davis. Not getting this though. If anything add them as FB only.
That’s why I think FB must be in the works. As it is the MWC which moving forward is a really bad BB conference but adding UCD didn’t really hurt it ( or help it)in BB they are basically on par with UNLV BB and the rest of the shit BB schools in the shit conference.
 
That’s why I think FB must be in the works. As it is the MWC which moving forward is a really bad BB conference but adding UCD didn’t really hurt it ( or help it)in BB they are basically on par with UNLV BB and the rest of the shit BB schools in the shit conference.
Yeah maybe they need time to upgrade the FB facilities.
 
That’s why I think FB must be in the works. As it is the MWC which moving forward is a really bad BB conference but adding UCD didn’t really hurt it ( or help it)in BB they are basically on par with UNLV BB and the rest of the shit BB schools in the shit conference.
True though UNLV, UNM and a few have some upside. We are at a trough, UCD has no chance to get higher in the near term.
 
I guess getting into California matters that much, but we already have one Bay area school where no one cares about sports.
If our partners think it raises the value, then great. But they hisorically do not meet the "metrics" when in come to eyeballs that is for sure.
I have to believe or maybe I want to believe that there is a long term strategy here. I have to think that football is planned in the future. Davis will need some time to get ready for the jump to FBS. This needs to happen. For media value it wouldn't be bad. They are 15 miles outside of Sacramento. Getting a jump into an FBS conference ahead of Sacrament State could help capture that Sacrament media market. Even longer term when Stanford and CAL decide they've had enough of the travel for their student athletes they may find it more palatable to align with the MW rather than all those State schools in the PAC. A little wishful thinking on my part.
 
when Stanford and CAL decide they've had enough of the travel for their student athletes they may find it more palatable to align with the MW rather than all those State schools in the PAC. A little wishful thinking on my part.
Haha
As bad as the new PAC is it’s still a much more attractive FB and BB conference than the new MWC.

When the ACC implodes Cal and Stanford will be either in the BIG or the Big or a new conference that resembles the old PAC more than the New PAC
 
Haha
As bad as the new PAC is it’s still a much more attractive FB and BB conference than the new MWC.

When the ACC implodes Cal and Stanford will be either in the BIG or the Big or a new conference that resembles the old PAC more than the New PAC
When the super conference breaks off, everything goes out the window anyways. The 2nd tier which we will be in, will all be re-shuffled. There will be power teams falling down into 2nd tier looking for new homes and perhaps a few G teams moving up opening spaces.
 
Initially I was down on this move. If they don't intend to add UC Davis FB, this is a weird move. If the plan is to get them established in the MWC environment and determine if it'll be worth the $5m fee to move them up, I'm on board.

The university endowment and student body population really help with making it make sense
 
Not a lawyer.

Does this have any weight? They never joined the conference. I imagine it'll come down to language of when fees would go into effect. Is the contract beginning "immediately upon signing" and is there something that leads to "effective July 1, 2026"?
It will more than likely be settled out of court imo. Nothing to see here. They are just pissed after losing Gonzaga which was their money bag imo.
 
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I don't get adding Davis w. out FB. Makes zero sense. I played in bigger gyms in HS than Davis basketball has. Even Sac St. gym is maybe worthy of a JC school. Great school, love Davis. Not getting this though. If anything add them as FB only.
Initially I was down on this move. If they don't intend to add UC Davis FB, this is a weird move. If the plan is to get them established in the MWC environment and determine if it'll be worth the $5m fee to move them up, I'm on board.

The university endowment and student body population really help with making it make sense
Agree with InZone. Not so much with Loco. The University endowment equals around, doing monkey math here, zero when it comes to Athletics? Same with their AAU status. And student population? So what? Their FB stadium will hold 1/4 of the students? Just not seeing any rationale for this move. Or the potential SIU FB-only move. And add GCU to this list. What is the MW trying to do - create a Big East West BB conference?

My innovative and thoroughly thought out idea was for the Pac and MW to go to full round robin FB schedules and play a title game with the winner probably getting a CFP bid. The full merger without the merger.
 
Agree with InZone. Not so much with Loco. The University endowment equals around, doing monkey math here, zero when it comes to Athletics? Same with their AAU status. And student population? So what? Their FB stadium will hold 1/4 of the students? Just not seeing any rationale for this move. Or the potential SIU FB-only move. And add GCU to this list. What is the MW trying to do - create a Big East West BB conference?

My innovative and thoroughly thought out idea was for the Pac and MW to go to full round robin FB schedules and play a title game with the winner probably getting a CFP bid. The full merger without the merger.
I'm afraid the ship has sailed on any merger talk. The MW is just in survival mode. I don't care anymore what the MW does as my only concern is UNLV. **** everybody else.
 
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Agree with InZone. Not so much with Loco. The University endowment equals around, doing monkey math here, zero when it comes to Athletics? Same with their AAU status. And student population? So what? Their FB stadium will hold 1/4 of the students?
My thought was potential upside. Stadium isn't big, so that might have to get sorted out. Looking at ESPN box scores, attendance pre playoffs 10-15k announced. Growth opportunity for the school is built in.

Endowment isn't athletic funding of course, but program and buy in from university itself and potential boosters.

I think MWC is long gaming this time around. the 5 leavers left with no overlap of the new teams, so it feels almost like a new conference when those teams come in. If the MWC suspects that UNLV and AFA might have options to leave, it makes sense to establish the teams they could get before the leavers leave. 5 year overlap or something with future leavers helps establish that the newcomers have been "around".

Does adding ANY FCS really help the mwc? Probably not. Are there any FBS teams... other than NMSU... who want to join MWC? Probably not many.

It's MWC future preservation. If you don't add now, you won't have enough to exist in 10 years
 
Not a lawyer.

Does this have any weight? They never joined the conference. I imagine it'll come down to language of when fees would go into effect. Is the contract beginning "immediately upon signing" and is there something that leads to "effective July 1, 2026"?
The WCC was in the middle of trying to steal Grand Canyon from the WAC, and they want to sue because they have changed their mind? Sounds more like smoke and mirrors.
 
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I'm afraid the ship has sailed on any merger talk. The MW is just in survival mode. I don't care anymore what the MW does as my only concern is UNLV. **** everybody else.
Yep. The Pac totally f-ed up by not taking UNLV, particularly when we took USU instead. Or however the metrics worked out. And we still don't have an 8th FB-playing member, with nothing but crickets coming from the Pac offices. On my board I still crow about the reverse merger (as an I told you so) and offering Sac St (f- what the SEC and B1G say about FCS schools). Replies? More crickets. Not even any degrading insults. They know I was right. Teresa is an idiot, it was/is all about keeping her job at the leagues exense. Looks like Gloria recently visited the same clinic as Teresa for her lobotomy.
 
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Yep. The Pac totally f-ed up by not taking UNLV, particularly when we took USU instead. Or however the metrics worked out. And we still don't have an 8th FB-playing member, with nothing but crickets coming from the Pac offices. On my board I still crow about the reverse merger (as an I told you so) and offering Sac St (f- what the SEC and B1G say about FCS schools). Replies? More crickets. Not even any degrading insults. They know I was right. Teresa is an idiot, it was/is all about keeping her job at the leagues exense. Looks like Gloria recently visited the same clinic as Teresa for her lobotomy.
I foresee a reverse merger type of thing in the next few years. There are also going to be quite a few P teams looking for new homes once Alabama gets done with their super conference. Getting left out of the playoffs set things into hyperdrive.
 
I foresee a reverse merger type of thing in the next few years. There are also going to be quite a few P teams looking for new homes once Alabama gets done with their super conference. Getting left out of the playoffs set things into hyperdrive.
They will ruin college football with that super conference. A conference with 40 teams great recipe for half the country not giving a crap or watching.
 
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That's what they want. The mere thought of Boise or SMU making it in over them really ruffled their man feathers.
I think it’s what they want. It’s about the money, bottom line, the less mouths to feed, the better for them. Any threat of a little guy pisses them off.

What can you do about it though?
 
I think it’s what they want. It’s about the money, bottom line, the less mouths to feed, the better for them. Any threat of a little guy pisses them off.

What can you do about it though?
I don't think it will happen that way. Imagine a joint trillion dollar antitrust lawsuit by the following states: Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho, Arizona, New York, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Colorado, North Carolina, Kansas, Virginia, West Virginia, etc. College football has economic impact to states.
 
I don't think it will happen that way. Imagine a joint trillion dollar antitrust lawsuit by the following states: Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho, Arizona, New York, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Colorado, North Carolina, Kansas, Virginia, West Virginia, etc. College football has economic impact to states.
Everything is corrupt. They can throw a few million at the judges. Even that’s not frowned upon anymore.

Yeah, I’m a bit jaded when it comes to right or wrong. The little guy is going to get screwed.
 
Was kinda surprised on this one.

Looked up UC Davis.

$2 billion endowment
40,000 student enrollment
Bay Area market
Ranked academically 33rd national university

We’ll see, but Davis has potential.
UC-Davis is a hella fine school. I applied to law school there, and I imagine my application just burst into flames the second it entered their admissions office.
 
I think it’s what they want. It’s about the money, bottom line, the less mouths to feed, the better for them. Any threat of a little guy pisses them off.

What can you do about it though?
Ultimately the federal courts will get involved. They are now professional teams, which means they can be held financially and legally liable.
 
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