It the opposite ,but the same premise !WE got completely hosed on the Syracuse call. MonsterJam and i had 3 different fans tell us they basically got lucky with the calls they got.
Should we do the same??
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No doubt this is a fake/AI post. These days anyone believes any piece of crap that someone wants to post. I am 100% sure this is a fake post that is just wishful thinking of an Arizona State fan!
Yeah more than likely it is fake. There's not much to talk about until football starts. Maybe a little recruiting.
A lot of thought was given on that call. Not the call itself, but on the ramifications of whatever they decided.
To me it’s either targeting or not on the first play of the season in a game between Idaho State and Weber State or whether it’s in the national championship with 4 seconds to go.
You can’t pick and choose when something is a penalty or not. It either is or isn’t.
Based on the rules (which I hate), it was very clearly a target. Has to be called. Absolutely costed (lol) ASU the game in all likelihood.
I’ve seen the suggestion of tiered targeting like a flagrant 1 and flagrant 2 and I’m not against that. Some are egregious. Some are very difficult to avoid. Some are caused when there is zero intent and the offensive player leads with their head.
But a lawsuit? Ain’t gonna win a game where judgment calls are baked in.
Not sure if it “costed” them the game or not ( they still needed to score) but was a bad no call made worse by not overturning the bad call after reviewing it.
I’m not gonna say it wasn’t targeting. I think targeting should be intentional and not just a bang bang play that happens. I think the defender was doing everything the game has taught him to do. Luck of his timing and height shouldn’t come into play. It was not “bad luck” to not get that call, but it would have been bad luck to get that call against you when I don’t believe the defender was doing anything wrong.
By rule maybe it was, but I don’t think it should be.
By rule maybe it was, but I don’t think it should be.
I agree this is where things get a little gray.
The phrase "Targeting" insinuates malicious intent. What happens if head/neck contact is somewhat incidental?
If the defender is reckless then that also should be a factor.
They need to be able to review a call for targeting and based off of visual evidence be able to determine targeting and or unnecessary roughness.
We got double screwed earlier this year where they called both, and it was neither. They was able to pick up the targeting flag but couldn't pick up the unnecessary roughness call for 100% clean hit. Was that Syracuse?
Agree with that completely. It looked like a routine football play. Go back 20 years, we don’t even think anything of it. That’s why I hate the rule. They don’t want gray … it is or it isn’t. The problem is there is gray.
I don’t think somebody should go around launching and spearing somebody in the head. That was routine way back, plenty of players did it. I thought nothing of it when it was legal, you step on the field of play, it’s fair game. I actually prefer it that way, I like the original intent of the rules.
But understand why it’s changed with CTE and with players simply being bigger and faster. The formula for force is force equals mass times acceleration. Players are bigger, their faster, more force. So I DO understand the whys behind it. And I’m not going to argue against having some rules in place to make it more safe since the attributes (size and speed) changed so much.
Yes. Syracuse. Totally shitty call. And it impacted the outcome.
It was a bad call. But all ASU had to do was not totally blow a coverage and give up a TD on 4th on 8 and they win.
I think it was worse; wasn’t it 4th and 13? Reminded me of the old time Rebs needing a stop. Invariably a long completion or personal foul/PI.
Defense tried to jump the snap and showed their blitz and instead of backing off, they all ran towards the middle of the line and created an easy blocking scheme while Ewers just threw it over the top. I dont get why they just didnt try to keep everyone in front of the sticks... dumb defense
The Oregon State 4th and 15 from 09 comes to mind. When Quizz Rogers came to town and the refs stole one from the Rebs.
That one sticks out as one of the worst calls we ever got. Ranks up there with getting fckd over by the ACC refs we somehow allowed in the Syracuse game (never let the away team have their own refs). And I remember Kenny Keys (RIP) getting an absolutely heinous targeting ejection vs. UCLA, but it wasn't game changing.
There was an Anton Palepoi "facemask" on 4th and 15 against BYU in '01, backed up to their own goal line. Game was over......incomplete pass....flag comes in. He did touch his helmet but not the facemask. BYU gets the 1st down and Brandon doman and Luke Staley drive the field and win by 4.
At least I think it was Anton. Ken N. brought him here from Dixie.
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Pretty sure it was. Anton left me tickets for every Seahawks game when he played there, I lived there at the time. He told me the only reason he came to UNLV and not Utah was JRob
Ken N didn’t coach at Dixie I don’t think?
He was my bothers TE coach at UNLV, he’s a good football coach but my brother says worst TE coach he ever had.
Despite what every MMQB analyst and expert says, I am going with the on-field refs and ultimately their replay guys that it wasn't targeting. A bang-bang play where the DB barely dipped into the hit. Besides, no one can argue the worst no call in the history of targeting in the WSU-USC game in 2018. That one DID cost us the game.
sports.yahoo.com
Pac-12 says Porter Gustin's controversial hit on Gardner Minshew was not targeting
A brutal hit by USC LB Porter Gustin on Washington State QB Gardner Minshew was determined not to be targeting, according to Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott.
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I don’t think it was targeting. Didn’t launch, didn’t lead with the crown, the tackler wrapped, and the ball carrier wasn’t defenseless. The gray area is always “malicious intent” or purposefully trying to injure.
In my opinion it looked like a bang bang play. With the exception of malicious intent to injure, the defender has a right to the ball.
In my opinion it looked like a bang bang play. With the exception of malicious intent to injure, the defender has a right to the ball.
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I grew up watching the Steel Curtain defense. I love a 3-0 game with so many hard hits that I have to ice after sitting in front of the TV.
I hate how wimpy football has become. It's getting hard to watch now. Especially long passes since every WR gets up making the "throw the flag" gesture.
I grew up watching the Steel Curtain defense. I love a 3-0 game with so many hard hits that I have to ice after sitting in front of the TV.
On the other side, I have a friend who played on the line at Arizona State who is in his mid 50's and has had both knees replaced and has to walk with braces due to the number of times people took his knees out from under him before many of the current rules that no longer allow things like chop blocks!
Living in Houston, the Aziz AL Shaair has been a big topic of discussion. Players like Mahomes have been doing a fake slide to take advantage of the rules.
Now Aziz went a little far with his hit on Trevor Lawrence, extended his elbow through the head. But for argument's sake, take the forearm out of the play, and his hit wasn't terribly late.
QBs have been purposely waiting as long as they can to slide, and they are getting hit.
I think a fake slide should be a penalty and potentially a suspension. It is hurting the safety of the game and we need to punish those that exploiting the rules.
Personally I think that if you want to be a ball carrier, then be a ball carrier. As soon as you pass the line of scrimmage the rules should be the same for everyone. If you slide late, and the defender starts his tackle before your slide, that's YOUR bad. Protect yourself better bro.
I am a bit old school myself. Somewhat like Rugby, hanging your WR out to dry was it's own risk. If you don't want your WR to get hurt, don't throw it over the middle.
I think a play on the ball should be allowed, and obvious hit to the head is uncalled for as well.
Now Aziz went a little far with his hit on Trevor Lawrence, extended his elbow through the head. But for argument's sake, take the forearm out of the play, and his hit wasn't terribly late.
QBs have been purposely waiting as long as they can to slide, and they are getting hit.
I think a fake slide should be a penalty and potentially a suspension. It is hurting the safety of the game and we need to punish those that exploiting the rules.
Personally I think that if you want to be a ball carrier, then be a ball carrier. As soon as you pass the line of scrimmage the rules should be the same for everyone. If you slide late, and the defender starts his tackle before your slide, that's YOUR bad. Protect yourself better bro.
I am a bit old school myself. Somewhat like Rugby, hanging your WR out to dry was it's own risk. If you don't want your WR to get hurt, don't throw it over the middle.
I think a play on the ball should be allowed, and obvious hit to the head is uncalled for as well.
No, but Ken was at UNLV coaching the Rebels when Anton came down from Dixie.
Good info about TE Coach. Still one of the best dudes on earth
It’s a violent sport. Not that I don’t care about your friend but construction workers experience a variety of job-related ailments from their duties. As do the military. Boxing. MMA. The list goes on…
But they all know what can happen from their involvement in their various fields.
I hope your friend is ok.
In the construction industry if a workers has injuries like that, then they will file lawsuits. I work in the industry and there are reason for OSHO and all the rules and regulations due to a past history of injuries without consequences. Most major injuries in the construction industry happen due to not following regulations. Now rules are being pushed into football to prevent permanent log term injuries. Maybe you want to go and play a sport with long term permanent disabilities, but most people feel totally different after the fact. Your thought process has a lot to do with the billions in damages that are now being paid to athletes for past injuries, and the number is only continuing to increase.
I like how you only addressed one of the occupations.
That being said, the football I liked is a thing of the past. It’s why I don’t watch it much anymore. UNLV and Steelers for me. I don’t even watch the Super Bowl or these CFP games.
It’s now a different game. Things change. I don’t have to like it but I’ve accepted it.
I took one example, but you can also take the military. While nothing can stop injuries due to war, now the vast majority of retired military file lawsuits against the military to cover disabilities do to their service time, and regulations outside of combat have become much more stringent. My son served in the Army National guard and spent a year in combat overseas. He now receives a 20% disability for the rest of his life for back issues.
I have said all season no way that call should be targeting but by rule and how they have called it all season it absolutely was. We had a similar one go against us. But it should only be if intentional not if a player drops after the defender leaves his feet.
I’m sorry to hear about his back issues. Those aren’t something to mess with.
Thankful for his service.
If targeting is a penalty, then it MUST be called on the offense as well. How many times has a ball carrier lowered their head when coming up upon a one-on-one collision? MOST of the time. The runner hits the defender, nearly every time, forcibly with the crown of the helmet vs the helmet of the defender. They are supposedly worried about injuries but if they aren't calling it against the offense, seems like bs to me.
Another penalty that doesn’t make sense to me is the face mask. If a defender puts his hand on the face of an offensive player then that’s a penalty. If a runner stiff arms a face mask then let’s go on with our business.
I get why it’s different in principle, it’s just doing the same thing.
I get why it’s different in principle, it’s just doing the same thing.
Dont get me started on half the distance to the goal line. If its wihin the 10 yard line why not move the ball to the goal line, regardless of which direction its going. Either back the O up to the goal line if its on offense or if its on D advance the ball to the goal line.
It is bad enough that the refs cause games to change, but I do not want a penalty causing a score, then the highest scoring players would be the refs for both teams.
With that penalty, its the motion of wrapping your fingers on the facemask where it’ll get called. Flat palm is fine so long as it doesn’t touch the eyes. Its stupid.
