How is it BS?
The PAC literally just reupped the same deal the MWC had.
It doesn't mean MWC won't get any games on CBS. But they likely aren't going to get as many CBS 'Main' games. MWC will probably be used to backfill open time slots.
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How is it BS?
The PAC literally just reupped the same deal the MWC had.
It doesn't mean MWC won't get any games on CBS. But they likely aren't going to get as many CBS 'Main' games. MWC will probably be used to backfill open time slots.
They won't and they won't.
TV deal will probably be in line with AAC numbers. Maybe a little less. Maybe a little more. But well well below any P4 deals.
Make sure the MWC gets a better contract by UNLV beating BSU twice and going to the playoffs is how we make whatever network UNLV plays on more valuable. My hope is the PAC has not got a TV contract yet, in which case UNLV putting down BSU would go a long ways to cutting the PAC contract down in size!
The article says CBS picks the PAC over MWC? Based on what? The way that is written is saying that the MWC is being dumped by CBS in favor of the PAC!
That's the key misconception. Yes, CBS decided not to reup the old deal. That doesn't mean they can't negotiate a new one.
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The MWC aren't being dumped but they are likely getting fewer of the premium time slots. And likely less on CBS 'Main'.
A network is not going to put UNM VS Reno on TV over OSU/WSU.
Wyo vs SJSU isn't getting premium time slots or billing over Boise vs CSU.
It is possible to think the PAC vastly overestimated its worth and also recognize the MWC doesn't have as many appealing matchups to TV networks.
Is the title click bait-y? Maybe a little, but the crux of it is true.
I think the PAC is better but not as good as they want to believe.
PAC will get a media deal in the 7-9 million range.
MWC will see between 3.5 - 4. Maybe they get 5 but how? You don't lose your biggest brand and larger markets and go 'its the same!'.
Its not, and while the final media deal for the PAC will be underwhelming considering early projections it will be better than the MWC.
That’s why it is beneficial for CBS to split. They can cherry pick the best games for both conferences.
Definitely. I just believe PAC has more appealing matchups and will get the better time slots.
That is why it is so important that UNLV has a great season and beats BSU twice this next year. BSU is the main draw for the PAC, and that would change quickly if they go 0-2 verse UNLV. Getting to the playoffs would put UNLV in a position above any of the PAC, which would make UNLV a bigger draw than any of the teams in the PAC.
If you’re only on the hook for the minimums, and no other guarantees, its fine.
You can gamble that there will be at least a few cbssn worthy games in both conferences.
Agree with all of this…
While I agree that the PAC has the better “match ups”, I think it matters less for anyone not named Boise. Boise games will get attention because they’ve obviously done a great job building a brand… but how many eyeballs any game gets is largely dependent on “the story” behind the game.
And sports betting.
I don’t think the MW deal will be 50% or less than the PAC deal… probably 60-65%, just based on pure content.
Well the main point is that nobody outside of the PAC/MWC footprint care about watching our games. Unless we are playing a P4 team. So basically all this argument about networks etc. is fundamentally weird aside from the part about TV deal payouts, which really isn't much or far between either way. It's not like some dude in Texas is going to watch a PAC/MWC game just bc it's on CBS Sports or FS1 or whatever. In this day of streaming, if you want to watch the game you can find it. I had no problem streaming games on MWC network app to my TV. Made no difference to me at all.
I got weary of the entire PAC/MWC discussion early on.
To me - as a kind of innocent bystander - the main thing that makes a difference is the compensation. How much will we get? How much will they get? Did we make a good choice? Or will we suffer for it financially.
Much lower down the list are what network or service televises our game. I don't believe a national audience cares enough about a PAC game vs. a MWC game ( and that is very little )
To me - as a kind of innocent bystander - the main thing that makes a difference is the compensation. How much will we get? How much will they get? Did we make a good choice? Or will we suffer for it financially.
Much lower down the list are what network or service televises our game. I don't believe a national audience cares enough about a PAC game vs. a MWC game ( and that is very little )
Rice would be a better add than any addition that the MW has done so far. Major market, though poor share, but has the money and a pretty big, established alumni base. They have had some success in football in the past, bowl worthy.
There is a reason that the AAC grabbed them.
First reports sounded like CBS was almost the exclusive partner, but I see more of "primary" partner. I would be very surprised if the CW is not involved and will pick up many of the other games. They had a very good first year with that relationship. CW is easy to find and often had better numbers than the FS1 games.
Also I keep seeing 8-10 million though I have no idea if there is any meat on that number other than speculation. Not a bad base. That basically means the total value after CFP sharing would be 10-12. MW is targeting 5 mil.
Though personally I do not see how they can keep that 8-10 mil by adding Texas state, unless they take a temporary half share.
So we will see.
Also I keep seeing 8-10 million though I have no idea if there is any meat on that number other than speculation. Not a bad base. That basically means the total value after CFP sharing would be 10-12. MW is targeting 5 mil.
Though personally I do not see how they can keep that 8-10 mil by adding Texas state, unless they take a temporary half share.
So we will see.
Plus the cost of having Gonzaga as a full member when they don't play football. Crazy.
Considering that the Big east averages around 7 mil per school without football? I don't think it is that crazy. Gonzaga is a premier name in hoops, definitely above average of the Big East so I think they pull their weight decently well. Plus they are almost guaranteed to get 2-3 NCAA credits every year, even if they keep half of that, it certainly helps their inclusion.
Is it? I thought they keep 50% of bowl revenue and tournament credits.
Hard to find an article, but this say 50%. They actually kept all of it when in the WCC.
The source in Canzano, so grain of salt
C'mon Bull. Try to keep up. Pac NCAA BB teams will now get to keep half of their credits. And half of any FCS revenues. Not sure about other bowl revenue. This is yet another example of the BS decision making by the Pac-2. Gonzaga shares equally in FBS monies but keeps half of the only reason to bring them in in the first place. The FCS revenues, IMHO, is catering to Boise Jr College, since they are the most likely one to make the FB playoffs. Stupid F-ing Pac-2.
My bad. I thought they kept all their units.
Still that is the sweetheart deal of all sweetheart deals.
You're correct. I thought it was all. My bad.
Still getting a full share was a huge over pay. Especially considering Gonzaga's previous conference media deal was pretty small. A half share would have been a huge raise by itself.
Gonzaga will make more money to just throw at basketball while everybody else has to feed football and basketball.
Great addition but PAC way over paid.
I think in the long run Grand Canyon will be a much more valuable get for the MWC than Gonzaga for the PAC
What basis could you possible have to back this up.
Gonzaga has been the most consistent team in college basketball for over 20 years. GCU has had a nice recent surgence, but little to no track record before that. Gonzaga has averages 2.9 tournament credits over the past 20 years. Even when they are bad they win a game in the tournament.
GCU could add football, but even if they do, they will suck, and would not deserve to be in the MW for football, though the MW would likely upgrade them before they deserve it. They will do that with UC Davis most likely too. So they will hurt well before they can help.
Right now Gonzaga likely has a better media value than probably the majority of the new MW teams. If the Big East average in 7 mil, Gonzaga has to be at least close to that. Not the same markets, but they have a better brand than most of the Big East.
It makes sense for both parties IMO.
I kind of get it. Gonzaga and Boise have been somewhat carrying their leagues. It is not exactly fair to them that they have post season success well above the rest of the conference and then have to share the extra revenue they bring in.
Being rewarded more for post season success is a much better model than what Boise had with the MW, giving them extra money, with no expiration with the base media deal. This PAC model at least leaves is open for any team to get more money if they earn it.
And I honestly don't think they over paid. I Gonzaga is worth near the mean of their contract without football. Definitely worth more than Utah State, and probably 3x more than Texas State.
Yes I know UNLV now has a sweetheart deal like Boise, and I am not complaining, but it will expire in 6 years, so there is that.
The only thing I can think they're trying to say with that assertion is that for a basketball only school, you're getting a much cheaper deal on the media distribution AND that deal will be an albatross once Few retires (he's 62 right now). I think the PAC is overpaying for a basketball only school, but I can't make the math work that GCU will be more valuable in any way.
Realistically, the Zags have might be the best west coast basketball programs consistently over the last 26 years (25 appearances only missing the covid year where nobody had an appearance (they were 31-2 that year and a big favorite for a deep run), 14 sweet 16s, 6 elite 8s, 2 final fours, 2 natty appearances). Arizona and UCLA wish they had their resume.
For comparison GCU has been to the dance 4 of 5 years under Drew, never being seeded higher than 12 and never winning a game.
If you are going to overpay for something, you might as well overpay for the best.
Not just when Few retires but Gonzaga isn’t going to be guaranteed 15-18 wins annually anymore. Pepperdine’s and Pacific are being switched out for Fresno and Oregon State.
My basis? The same basis I used months before the MWC even made an offer to Grand Canyon why they would end up in the MWC. Grand Canyon is the only for profit school that plays D1 athletics, Grand Canyon has a total of 125,000 students with 30,000 on their campus, Grand Canyon had over 31,000 graduates in 2025 between traditional and online campus. Grand Canyon only went D1 in 2017 and has a significant budget towards building up their athletic program. Grand Canyon is located in Phoenix which is one of the largest Metro areas in the country. Grand Canyon wasn't even eligible for the NCAA tournament until 2018/2019. They have been to the tournament in 2021, 2023, 2024 and 2025 (It is hard to have a D1 track record when they only just went D1, and they only recent built their arena). I have no doubt that at some point they will have a basketball program, and my expectation is that they will have the funding to quickly become a strong program, while the odds of Gonzaga ever having a football program at any level are zero.
On the other side with Gonzaga how much of the football money from the PAC do they get? When are they going to start a football program since they are already being paid in full every year an equal portion of the football money? What percentage of the basketball money does Gonzaga get to keep? On what basis can you tell me that Gonzaga is in any way worth getting a full share while they play basketball only?
As for attempting to compare the contract of Gonzaga to the Big East, that is funny. Mark Few, who is the head coach for Gonzaga, just like Tarkanian is the only coach who has had success at Gonzaga, while it is clear he has no intent to switch to another program, how much longer will he even coach? Gonzaga may be consistently one of the top basketball programs for the last 20 years, but in what world do you think a game between any team in the PAC and Gonzaga has the same value as a Big East game? When was the last time that Gonzaga won a national championship? (crickets). The Big East in recent times has national championships in 2011, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2023 and 2024.
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